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#51 Captain__Tripps

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[QUOTE="Kev_Boy"]Why would they need to work on getting DX10 in an old operating system for free?
That makes no sense!

DX10 is part of the feature-set of Windows Vista and beyond.
wookieeassassin

well we have already paid for XP. DX10 isn't some fancy application it is an API. It could be put on XP. Your statement just says "I just buy it because Microsoft says I need it to play my latest and greatest looking games and that buying Vista is the only way." An API shouldn't be esclusive to an OS. That makes no sense.

Of coarse DX10 COULD be hacked onto XP, but it would take a lot of work. MS never said it couldn't be done, only that it wouldn't. Why should they back port new features to an old OS, anyway? If it was an easy thing to do sure, but wasting the resources to put DX10 on a soon to be obsolete OS isn't a good use of resources.

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The only game I ever bought when first released was NWN. My normal rule is to NOT buy any software when it first comes out (game, OS or otherwise). I do this because of this truth: "A stupid man never learns from his mistakes. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from other people's mistakes." Seeing as there are plenty of the first kind of people out there, I let them shoot themselves in the foot (most don't even know they are doing it), learn from that, gather other info, then make my choices. I will probably never buy vista if M$ does what they say they're going to do in the releasing a new OS every 2-3 years dept. It'll be years before XP becomes completely unsupported by game developers (not incl. M$ of coarse). wookieeassassin, I agree with your perspective on the whole M$ thing as well. Keep on preachin' it brother! :D

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wookieeassassin

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#53 wookieeassassin

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yeah LoneHawk.. why are people just accepting having to get a new OS for the same features that could be included in XP? XP is not really an old OS per se as the majority of PC users are still using it. I even know people that still run Windows 95 and 98! The majority of users are using XP and have it up and working how they want it to be working. DirectX is an API ( or a set of them technically) and Microsoft designed the DirectX10 API around Vista's structure. This IMO is an incredibly scummy move. Sure they might have created it to "seamlessly integrate" with Vista but I doubt that such an API is not possible to put on Windows XP or any other operating system for that matter. They just either have made the API so it is so intertwined with Vista they say it would be way too hard to allow XP to have it or it is marketing bull that "XP isn't a good enough OS to handle Direct3D10"

Even all the features like the centralized place where you start all your games from and stuff seems to be just a nice little thing to get PC gamers to say "Oh they care about us again!" People have said that with the release of both the Xbox's Microsoft has been neglecting the PC gamer. I for one think that they saw the PC gaming community was big enough to be a profitable group to target. Think about it.. PC gamers are the ones that love to have the best new graphics and latest hardware. They are the ones that spend the most money. I believe Microsoft saw this as an opportunity. They make Direct3D10 gaming available only for Vista and claim that DX9 is outdated and that the "next-gen" is here gamers will flock to buy Vista. That is effective "marketing". I actually think you could call it forced marketing. While gamers do want to pay for games because they like playing gaming and MS making money off of games is fine (making money is not evil.. it is just that some companies take advantage of people) but making it so that the new gaming is Vista only.. that should be a slap in a gamers face. Why is everyone just accepting Vista?

If you want Direct3D10 gaming without having to pay for Vista then tell Microsoft. If enough consumers say "No, that is crap we want DX10 on XP" then they cannot discredit the consumers. Vista was originally going to have it so if you changed your hardware more than once you could not re-activate your Vista install at all or without calling Microsoft and going through that process. The community told MS that they had better not do that and they changed it. Tell them to change DX10! Don't get me wrong.. XP is a great OS and it is very capable and has been pretty stable for me, but the way Microsoft has marketed Vista and the things they have done with it Either way Direct3D10 is a tool to force the adoption of Vista when the majority of people running XP are fine. If Vista was so advanced and so great people would buy it because they wanted to. Microsoft is cutting back support on XP as fast as they can without delibrately forcing people to accept Vista

17 years ago

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Nah I wouldn't quit games just for that. Everyone should know games will get more expensive and you're gonig to have to buy more hardware. If you don't like it well then I guess find something else to do. Simple as that.

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#55 Grease_Bits

Member since 2004 • 2352 Posts

Sadly yes, I'll still continue playing WoW, but other then that nothing on the pc. It was either completely overhaul my system for a hell of alot of money or buy a xbox360, and I bought the 360.

17 years ago

wookieeassassin

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#56 wookieeassassin

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the issue of upgrading hardware like a videocard isn't the issue.. it is the fact that Microsoft has forced Vista on gamers if they want the "DX10 experience" that is the issue

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..If Vista was so advanced and so great people would buy it because they wanted to...... the issue of upgrading hardware like a videocard isn't the issue, it is the fact that Microsoft has forced Vista on gamers if they want the "DX10 experience" that is the issuewookieeassassin

Exactly. To very good and completely accurate points. People will not understand or simply ignore these points for one of several reasons.

1. They are ignorant sheep that really just don't "understand" what's going on and buy into M$'s claims/marketing.

2. They are the, "I gotta have the latest, greatest stuff for bragging rights and keeping up with the Jone's" type people and will just stubbornly ignore the truth of the situation due to their self centered desires being greater in volume than their principles.

3. Going with vista through, really, no choice of their own because they don't know how, or are not comfortable with building their own computer. They buy a package comp and get vista with it whether they like it or not.

I can't fault the people in reasons 1 or 3. Not "everyone" that uses computers knows a lot about them and it's not right or rational to fault them for that. The people in reason 2 however are the one's M$ is working on. They know people 1 and 3 they've got already. It's the one's that know better that need their pride stroked to get to come on board. It's those people that put the proverbial nail in the coffin for empowering M$ to have its way with the consumer.

It's time for a revolution! When m$ drops the soap, DON'T bend over and pick it up for them! You KNOW what's going to happen. Let's demand better. What happened to, "The customer is always right!" ??? Don't let m$ become the dictatorship of the computing world! Say YES to freedom!

If not, oh well, don't whine and say you didn't ask for it when m$ REALLY has control of you. :P

Let the shooting begin. *sees vista fan boys coming over the hill and dives into fox hole* :wink:

17 years ago

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Why would you not want to upgrade to take advantage of DirectX 10? That's like saying you'd rather listen to Stereo than Surround Sound! More appropriately, it's like saying you want to stick with Wii graphics over the PS3's (disclaimer: I own a Wii). Let's face it, if you've got the cash, you're upgrading to surround sound. If Nintendo could shoehorn a graphics card in cost-effectively, they'd upgrade the Wii.

DirectX 10 makes improvements on what developers are able to produce (excluding the Microsoft ruling the world argument). When the price becomes reasonable, it will quickly become a standard, just like DirectX 9.0c.

You might not upgrade right away, but you will in a few years. PCs aren't like consoles, they need to be updated to play the latest games, or you'll be forced to peruse a list like this one. All I'm waiting for to upgrade my GeForce FX5200 is reasonable DirectX 10 cards.

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Why would you not want to upgrade to take advantage of DirectX 10? That's like saying you'd rather listen to Stereo than Surround Sound! More appropriately, it's like saying you want to stick with Wii graphics over the PS3's (disclaimer: I own a Wii). Let's face it, if you've got the cash, you're upgrading to surround sound. If Nintendo could shoehorn a graphics card in cost-effectively, they'd upgrade the Wii.

DirectX 10 makes improvements on what developers are able to produce (excluding the Microsoft ruling the world argument). When the price becomes reasonable, it will quickly become a standard, just like DirectX 9.0c.

You might not upgrade right away, but you will in a few years. PCs aren't like consoles, they need to be updated to play the latest games, or you'll be forced to peruse a list like this one. All I'm waiting for to upgrade my GeForce FX5200 is reasonable DirectX 10 cards.
Bozanimal

You obviously did not read the last bunch of posts. It's not about not wanting DX10, it's about m$ trying to force vista on people by making DX10 only avl. on vista when they could have put it in XP with a SP. And don't say they couldn't. Gimme a break. The richest company in the world can't put out a new SP with DX10 in it for XP?!!! They can't figure that out? Ya, ok, I got some great land in florida, REAL cheap for those who believe THAT one. :P

17 years ago

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No way i'm quitting P.C gaming when sp DX 10 games come out . Yeah , i've to upgrade to Vista and a DX 10 card , thats y i'm saving from now .

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[QUOTE="Bozanimal"]Why would you not want to upgrade to take advantage of DirectX 10? That's like saying you'd rather listen to Stereo than Surround Sound! More appropriately, it's like saying you want to stick with Wii graphics over the PS3's (disclaimer: I own a Wii). Let's face it, if you've got the cash, you're upgrading to surround sound. If Nintendo could shoehorn a graphics card in cost-effectively, they'd upgrade the Wii.

DirectX 10 makes improvements on what developers are able to produce (excluding the Microsoft ruling the world argument). When the price becomes reasonable, it will quickly become a standard, just like DirectX 9.0c.

You might not upgrade right away, but you will in a few years. PCs aren't like consoles, they need to be updated to play the latest games, or you'll be forced to peruse a list like this one. All I'm waiting for to upgrade my GeForce FX5200 is reasonable DirectX 10 cards.
1Lonehawk

You obviously did not read the last bunch of posts. It's not about not wanting DX10, it's about m$ trying to force vista on people by making DX10 only avl. on vista when they could have put it in XP with a SP. And don't say they couldn't. Gimme a break. The richest company in the world can't put out a new SP with DX10 in it for XP?!!! They can't figure that out? Ya, ok, I got some great land in florida, REAL cheap for those who believe THAT one. :P

I read the posts, no need to flame. Yes, they could have made it available on XP, but they didn't, and why would they? Vista will inevitably become the standard anyway (even though I'm perfectly happy with XP). The question is really moot. Eventually, we'll all be running Vista, and therefore have access DirectX 10. Why? Because new PCs are being sold with Vista ONLY. Corporate roll-outs will be Vista ONLY. Microsoft will impose Vista by pure marketing power! Microsoft will inevitably discontinue upgrading support for XP as it did 98 and 3.1 and Dos 6.0. Microsoft will run your car, keep your pacemaker going (until it blue-screens), serve you breakfast, and you'll get to like it! Bend over and pick up that soap, 1Lonehawk! I don't like it either, and I'm holding out on upgrading as long as possible, but I'm still not going to buy a Mac. In closing, I hate Microsoft. I don't play any games newer than 2003 because I refuse to buy anything more than I have to from them. But they don't care, and we all have to pick up the soap sometimes.

17 years ago

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I don't know really... I will probably not stop gaming, that's fpr sure.

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wookieeassassin

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#63 wookieeassassin

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I am personally keeping XP and Ubuntu. Ubuntu will run perfectly fine on my machine for a good long time.. :)

Too bad MS has such a hold on the desktop market. Hey if you guys want a new PC I will build it for you and put a nice configured install of Ubuntu on it.. ;)

17 years ago

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#64 Swiftstrike5

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Lately Ive been getting alot of DX9 errors... I guess thats microsofts way of saying "Buy our neatly wraped crap or go play photoshop on OS X"

17 years ago

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I probably upgrade at some point I doubt I'll quit gaming anytime soon.

17 years ago

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#66 Jinroh_basic

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maybe....but i've always wanted to get a playstation, so i might just switch to console.

17 years ago

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[QUOTE="wookieeassassin"]actually I was told that my machine could in fact max out Crysis: Core 2 Duo E6600 Corsair PC6400C4 XMS2 DDR2 800MHz RAM running in dual channel mode nVidia 7800 GT 256MB PCI Express x16 Creative Soundblaster Audigy 4 but honestly unless there is some way to rent PC games I don't feel like spending $50 on any game I want to play. It isn't like people don't pirate games now.

so just download em.,..unless you wanna play online

17 years ago

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[QUOTE="1Lonehawk"][QUOTE="Bozanimal"]Why would you not want to upgrade to take advantage of DirectX 10? That's like saying you'd rather listen to Stereo than Surround Sound! More appropriately, it's like saying you want to stick with Wii graphics over the PS3's (disclaimer: I own a Wii). Let's face it, if you've got the cash, you're upgrading to surround sound. If Nintendo could shoehorn a graphics card in cost-effectively, they'd upgrade the Wii.

DirectX 10 makes improvements on what developers are able to produce (excluding the Microsoft ruling the world argument). When the price becomes reasonable, it will quickly become a standard, just like DirectX 9.0c.

You might not upgrade right away, but you will in a few years. PCs aren't like consoles, they need to be updated to play the latest games, or you'll be forced to peruse a list like this one. All I'm waiting for to upgrade my GeForce FX5200 is reasonable DirectX 10 cards.
Bozanimal

You obviously did not read the last bunch of posts. It's not about not wanting DX10, it's about m$ trying to force vista on people by making DX10 only avl. on vista when they could have put it in XP with a SP. And don't say they couldn't. Gimme a break. The richest company in the world can't put out a new SP with DX10 in it for XP?!!! They can't figure that out? Ya, ok, I got some great land in florida, REAL cheap for those who believe THAT one. :P

I read the posts, no need to flame. Yes, they could have made it available on XP, but they didn't, and why would they? Vista will inevitably become the standard anyway (even though I'm perfectly happy with XP). The question is really moot. Eventually, we'll all be running Vista, and therefore have access DirectX 10. Why? Because new PCs are being sold with Vista ONLY. Corporate roll-outs will be Vista ONLY. Microsoft will impose Vista by pure marketing power! Microsoft will inevitably discontinue upgrading support for XP as it did 98 and 3.1 and Dos 6.0. Microsoft will run your car, keep your pacemaker going (until it blue-screens), serve you breakfast, and you'll get to like it! Bend over and pick up that soap, 1Lonehawk! I don't like it either, and I'm holding out on upgrading as long as possible, but I'm still not going to buy a Mac. In closing, I hate Microsoft. I don't play any games newer than 2003 because I refuse to buy anything more than I have to from them. But they don't care, and we all have to pick up the soap sometimes.

Um, first of all, I didn't flame you. I don't know why you said I did.

Second, vista will NOT inevitably become the standard. M$ themselves will see to that because they don't WANT another standard. They want to put a new OS out every 2-3 years and they want the consumers to upgrade. As it stands, WinXP is STILL the standard (that's a fact) as it's the most widely used OS in the world. Granted, that won't be forever, but it will not change in the NEAR future.

Third, we do NOT all "have" to pick up the soap sometimes. We ALWAYS have a choice. Thinking that sometimes you "have" to pick up the soap is a defeatist attitude and one that I don't take part of. I'm sorry if you feel that sometimes you must.

Finally, I share your sentiment about M$, even if I wouldn't use the word "hate." Extremely dislike would be more accurate for me. I agree with wookieassasin, if enough people bother to try, we "can" cause things to change. The only reason M$ can push people around is because enough let them. If enough people don't let M$ have their way with them, then M$ will have to change or lose a lot of revenue. The biggest challenge is getting people to understand that and let go of their complacency.

I would never use the word "hate" in regards to Microsoft. They have done some amazing things for the computing world. We have to give them that. It's just, they are getting a bit big for their britches lately.

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#69 mrbojangles25

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Well, an upgrade is inevitable no matter what, irrelevant of Dx10. I upgraded from a TNT2 to a Geforce series, then up to a Geforce 4, then a 5 series, then a 6 series, and finally a 7 series. Dx10 cards may be hot sh** for now, but the way I see it theyre just another link in the chain. I suppose I will upgrade to an 8600GT in another year or so, when 9 series cards are released...thats me, pretending to save money by always being one generation behind!

17 years ago

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Its probably around 2 years til is becomes Standard I know I will have a new PC then definatly DX10 and a lot of others will probably too.

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Well, an upgrade is inevitable no matter what, irrelevant of Dx10. I upgraded from a TNT2 to a Geforce series, then up to a Geforce 4, then a 5 series, then a 6 series, and finally a 7 series. Dx10 cards may be hot sh** for now, but the way I see it theyre just another link in the chain. I suppose I will upgrade to an 8600GT in another year or so, when 9 series cards are released...thats me, pretending to save money by always being one generation behind!mrbojangles25

You aren't "pretending" to save money. You ARE saving money by spending efficiently. It's kinda like buying cars. If you always buy a new car, you are always wasting at least 20% of the purchase price. Throwing it right out the window because you are always paying FULL price and as soon a you drive the car off the lot, it depreciates by about 20 % (give or take, depending on the make). If you stick to buying off lease cars and/or demos (a.k.a. "a generation behind" ) that are around 2 years old (like I do) then you SAVE that 20% (sometimes more) instead of throwing it out the window. Good for you Mrb. :D In today's society of "I gotta have it now, gimme gimme gimme" and living beyond one's means with credit cards, the value of dollar is being lost.

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#72 pepperman33

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No. But im not gonna get a pc with DX10 for a hell of a long time.

17 years ago

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Atm I feel like I won't be upgrading to DX10, it's not DX10 that is the sole reason, I think I've just grown out of the current games for now at least. Fallout2 can still hook me, but in '06 I don't think I played a single game that came even close to it. Depressed by that I won't upgrade this year and after I've gone through the old games on my wish list it's propably 'goodbye PC gaming' for me.

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#74 evaluatoras

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The time when the games will be DX 10 only, will be in a couple of years from now.That's not so soon.Therefor you are not forced to buy a 8800gt or something like that this year.By time when games will be only dx10 you'll be forced to buy a new computer anyway.

17 years ago

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#75 mrbojangles25

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Well, an upgrade is inevitable no matter what, irrelevant of Dx10. I upgraded from a TNT2 to a Geforce series, then up to a Geforce 4, then a 5 series, then a 6 series, and finally a 7 series. Dx10 cards may be hot sh** for now, but the way I see it theyre just another link in the chain. I suppose I will upgrade to an 8600GT in another year or so, when 9 series cards are released...thats me, pretending to save money by always being one generation behind!1Lonehawk

You aren't "pretending" to save money. You ARE saving money by spending efficiently. It's kinda like buying cars. If you always buy a new car, you are always wasting at least 20% of the purchase price. Throwing it right out the window because you are always paying FULL price and as soon a you drive the car off the lot, it depreciates by about 20 % (give or take, depending on the make). If you stick to buying off lease cars and/or demos (a.k.a. "a generation behind" ) that are around 2 years old (like I do) then you SAVE that 20% (sometimes more) instead of throwing it out the window. Good for you Mrb. :D In today's society of "I gotta have it now, gimme gimme gimme" and living beyond one's means with credit cards, the value of dollar is being lost.

Ya, paying for college is a good incentive to save money, and I refuse to use credit cards unless its a dire emergency (car breaking down).

If I had to chose between a 400 dollar Dx10 card and beginning a downward spiral into debt, or chose between a dated yet adequate 7600GT that costs 90 dollars, I will take the 7600GT any day.

Only spend money you actually have, thats my motto.

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#76 fatboyvinnie

Member since 2003 • 762 Posts

I'll only stop playing PC games if i get too busy with life or i just get bored of gaming for some reason

17 years ago

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#77 wookieeassassin

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yeah mrbojangles25: I don't buy anything unless I have cash on hand. Although I am going to get a credit card w/ the cash back rewards thing and start paying for everything w/ a credit card and paying it off before I have to pay any interest.. that way I get cash back for purchases but don't get into debt w/ the 20% credit card interest rates.

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You can not max out Crysis with that rig! Whoever told you that was lying!
You could not even max out most games out today with that...especially that card..ugghhh!
As for the question....huh?
DX10 is the future of gaming...so get used to it
However most games made in the next year or so will be DX9 compatiable ( except Halo...but who cares about that game?)
I for one am going to be happy to take the DX10 plunge as the difference betwen 9 and 10 is amazing.
Just waiting for the Vista bugs and drivers to be worked out before I install my Vista premium...
You might be able to max out Crysis with this rig...
QX6700@ 2.6
Dual 8800 GTXs
4 GIG ddr 2..
And you will be suprised in the difference between Crysis in DX9 and DX10...
And I say NO! most PC gamers are not going to stop gaming because of DX10
Cheaper DX10 cards will be out soon...
OgreB

You, my friend, are retarded. they easily played crysis on max settings with a 8800 gts.... wow

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#79 mrbojangles25

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[QUOTE="OgreB"]
You can not max out Crysis with that rig! Whoever told you that was lying!
You could not even max out most games out today with that...especially that card..ugghhh!
As for the question....huh?
DX10 is the future of gaming...so get used to it
However most games made in the next year or so will be DX9 compatiable ( except Halo...but who cares about that game?)
I for one am going to be happy to take the DX10 plunge as the difference betwen 9 and 10 is amazing.
Just waiting for the Vista bugs and drivers to be worked out before I install my Vista premium...
You might be able to max out Crysis with this rig...
QX6700@ 2.6
Dual 8800 GTXs
4 GIG ddr 2..
And you will be suprised in the difference between Crysis in DX9 and DX10...
And I say NO! most PC gamers are not going to stop gaming because of DX10
Cheaper DX10 cards will be out soon...
DrakeNOwns

You, my friend, are retarded. they easily played crysis on max settings with a 8800 gts.... wow

Yea, very retarded, or just misinformed. If you did your research you would know that one of the crew working on Crysis can play the game on his own rig and max it out at 1280x1024 with a single 7800GT. And thats the unoptimised game!

As for the minimum specs, an educated guess would be a P4 2.8GHz, 512MB memory, and a 6800GT. I feel like, as with supreme commander, a powerful processor will be more important than a powerful graphics card.

And yes, there is a noticeable difference between Dx9 and Dx10, but is it worth a 180+ dollar Dx10 card and a 150 dollar operating system just for some nicer shadows and light?

Not for me, I play games for the gameplay, not for the visuals.

17 years ago

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#80 wookieeassassin

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games that have good gameplay are the good games.. ones that have really good graphics do not have to be good. Gameplay is more important. Mrbojangles25- as far as I have seen w/ the DirectX10 Crysis stuff I really can't tell that much of a difference.. are you talking about a noticeable difference later on or for Crysis?

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#81 mrbojangles25

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games that have good gameplay are the good games.. ones that have really good graphics do not have to be good. Gameplay is more important. Mrbojangles25- as far as I have seen w/ the DirectX10 Crysis stuff I really can't tell that much of a difference.. are you talking about a noticeable difference later on or for Crysis?wookieeassassin

Well, I was referring to things in general. The only game I have seen that has show a big difference is Age of Conan MMORPG or whatever its called. And no, I havent seen much of a difference between Dx9 Crysis and Dx10 Crysis.

There will be a difference, thats for sure, but not for a couple years when Dx10 is standardized. Until that time, I am going to guess that developers will generally create games for the lowest common denominator (that being Dx9 hardware), with maybe a few bells and whistles for the people who spent their hard earned money on Dx10 hardware. Thats my prediction atleast.

On a side note, I logged into Steam a few days back and they had yet another hardware survey. The amount of people that have video cards greater than a Geforce 7600GT (or ATI equivelent) is really really small, with less than 1% owning Dx10 hardware. And the survey is pretty broad considering over 200000 people were polled. Any developer/publisher that thinks theyre gonna make good money within the next couple years developing a Dx10-only game is in for a bit of a suprise when they sell under 50,000 units.

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#82 Vampyronight

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To answer the topic question, pretty much. Now, I've never been a hardcore PC gamer- I enjoy a few games here and there but rarely do I feel like I need any of the modern games. So for me, Vista is a complete waste. As my PC (rather quickly) gets outdated, I see no need to upgrade. I'll just be switching over to PC-BSD. Any gaming I do will have to be either through Wine or native games. Really, I just hate Vista and everything that's involved with it (DRM, mainly). I'll look at Vienna when it's out- not because I really think it will be superior in regards to DRM, but I'm sure I'll eventually want at least one computer that runs the "standard" OS just in case. But obviously that won't be for years.

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Vampyronight, I checked out that PC-BSD site. Looks pretty darn cool. Can you answer me a couple of questions about it though? What kind of, if any, windows software can it run? Does it run windows apps or do you need to find the app "equivalent" for PC-BSD. Will it run games? I'm interested in checking this thing out because this is EXACTLY what the world needs, another good OS that can give windows a run for it's money so that we can finally have a "choice." :D

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I have to upgrade anyways with work, as a bonus i'll be able to play games anyways :)

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#85 nonreversebird

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From this thread it looks like most everyone hasn't even bought Vista yet. Well I have because I had to and I never imagined MS and nVidia would have ripped us off like this. How long are you willing to wait? This is my plan. If by the release date of Crysis , MS and nVidia dont have that game running smooth as glass on my rig I am prepared to escalate this situation to a legal format and so should you. That is a long enough buffer for them to screw us over. I have had it. I spent 400 dollars on the OS for gaming and I have completely been ripped off. So would you. Currently NO games run worth a damn in Vista. Every one of them runs at least 10 FPS slower and Stutters. As well as total lockups requiring a hard reset. I use XP pro and games run great. No lockups, no stuttering. excellent FPS. SLI enabled 8800s. RS Vegas runs great at 1600x1200 all settings maxed. CoH runs great all settings maxed except I turned shadows to high as the general consensus for SLI performance Flickering bug. Those 2 games are like good indicators of performance. Obviously games like Quake 4 and Oblivion, NFS Carbon all run fantastic on my rig in XP settings maxed out. The clock is ticking.

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I agree that renting games would be great, but it would make profiting off of games almost impossible.
Who told you that you could max out Crysis? You have a pretty good rig, but we know next to nothing about how Crysis will run on any given computer at this point. Anybody who claims to know how a computer will run a game that nobody has played yet is pulling the information out of their ass.
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Well I can tell that a Intel Core 2 Extreme, 4 gigs DDR2, and dual 8800 GTXs could max out Crysis.

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#87 Vampyronight

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Lonehawk- It can't run Windows programs natively. There is a version of Wine, which is basically an interpreter of Windows APIs (including Direct3D) allowing it to run some Windows' programs, but some claim that it doesn't work as good as the Linux versions (I haven't extensively used it, so I wouldn't know). The website doesn't seem to be working now, but you can go to http://www.winehq.com and click on 'AppDB' to see what's been known to work and what hasn't. There might be a few surprises (supposedly KOTOR2 actually works pretty well). However, I'd say most (if not all) things outside of games you can either find or find equivalent versions, such as OpenOffice instead of Microsoft Office. Go to http://www.pbidir.com and you can see what kind of programs are available. But just so you know, those are just the programs available in PBI form (double click them and they install, just like an .exe file in Windows). FreeBSD ports has plenty more. There are actually some pretty decent games on that list, including a few "big" titles like Enemy Territory and Quake 3 (though you need the original disc). I really like the OS- it's pretty young so it needs a touch more polish, but it's getting there. You can send me a PM if you have anymore questions. The fact that nobody in the open source world thought to create a double-click install system for programs to encourage people to migrate from Windows before this just astounds me to end.

Just forgot to add- if you're addicted to WoW, it DOES run natively on PC-BSD!

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PC Gaming is an evolutionary hobby, and is very different than that of the console. It will take a few months possibly a year before anyone feels the need to upgrade their current PC or purchase/build a new one, as software drives hardware. For all newcomers in the next few months, when they order a PC, it will most likely come with a DX10 capable video card, especially when ATI unleashes their lineup and Nvidia launched additional lineups. When the DX10 games start to come later this year, the flood gates will open. For now though, my X1950/3700+ is doing me very fine and I am more than content. This will surely change after this year though for sure. Ebay than becomes my best friend, once again.

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#89 wookieeassassin

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nonreservebird: man that stinks.. hopefully they will have all that stuff working by then.

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i wnot because i hav vista and geforce 8800 gts 640mb

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Might wait for the next generation of card before buying a DX10 part, or two depending on the time. That DX10 is a vista only doesn't really matter to me as Vista (like or not) will become the de-facto standard mainstream OS in less than year.

Don't like Vista get a *NIX and use cedega but that's hazy at best

Don't like *NIX and Vista, well...

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Might wait for the next generation of card before buying a DX10 part, or two depending on the time. That DX10 is a vista only doesn't really matter to me as Vista (like or not) will become the de-facto standard mainstream OS in less than year.
Don't like Vista get a *NIX and use cedega but that's hazy at best
Don't like *NIX and Vista, well...
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I don't think so. The amount of computers bought in the next year with vista on them will NOT equal the amount of computers sold in the last 5 years with XP on them. So, even a year from now, vista "may" be catching up, but it won't be the "de-facto" standard yet. I assist my boss (proprietor of the company I work for) in running just about everything, including dealing with all our clients (who all use computers, it's an industry thing). NONE, and I mean NONE of them are planning on or even want to switch to vista. If they do, from the input i've gathered, it will just be on the newest "additions" or replacements needed and only if they are in a rush and can't quickly and conveniently find a comp that comes with XP. They don't want the hassle of spending time and money getting employees used to a new OS if they don't have to. So, it seems the ONLY people "on fire" for vista are the gamers drooling over DX10 and maybe some people for whom a default 3D desktop really spins their fan. Like I said, those numbers do not equate the number of people using XP even by the end of the year. This can be debated until we're all blue in the face but only time will really tell.

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No thats why I bought Vista and an 8800GTX

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I am on the edge of quiting PC gaming since Xbox offer majority of my gaming needs. And South California has no Chinese Game import anymore. My PC game collection is at a halt. So far, the new PC games I have played are HL2, CS:S, FEAR, X3:Renunion, RollerCoasterTycoon3, and that's it. I think I am going to buy Shadowrun for PC.
I have GeForce 7900 GS KO and I still can't max out on CS:S.
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Don't forget about that amazing game STALKER coming out next week, 80 or so hours of gameplay :) This ought to give the PC a bit of a boost for now. Can't wait for that game.......

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#96 wookieeassassin

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yeah STALKER isn't DX10 at all though. There are very few games out or coming out that will use DX10. Halo 2 will but it surely doesn't need to. Crysis and Conan will but the difference between Crysis DX9 and DX10 aren't enough to spend the $ required for Vista and a new DX10 videocard. The Conan (MMO isn't it?) does look a LOT better but.. I wasn't on playing Conan anyway.. I would just urge you to look at the way Microsoft seems to see the PC gaming community as right now (a community to exploit for alot of $ IMO) the price of the DX10 videocards and Vista, and if the above are really worth it for a few quality games. Many of those quality games will also be on the X360.

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i would NEVER quit pcgaming for console gaming, it doesnt make sense! when i can get my pcgames cheaper, enjoy more eye candy (much more with dx10) have WAYYY better control scemes andhave the best fps and rts games ever created! sure the harware is an issue but its a minor proce to pay for the above plus MODS!

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I am on the edge of quiting PC gaming since Xbox offer majority of my gaming needs. And South California has no Chinese Game import anymore. My PC game collection is at a halt. So far, the new PC games I have played are HL2, CS:S, FEAR, X3:Renunion, RollerCoasterTycoon3, and that's it. I think I am going to buy Shadowrun for PC.
I have GeForce 7900 GS KO and I still can't max out on CS:S.
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LOL you cant max out css on a 7900? funny that, i could max it out on a years old radeon 9550SE :P

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