AVP banned in Australia. Rebellion has an awesome answer to this:

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#1 Baranga
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We will not be releasing a sanitised or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices.

Ouch! Whoever wrote this deserves a cookie.

Full statement:

"Rebellion is disappointed that its upcoming title Aliens vs. Predator has been banned in Australia. However, as we understand the law in that country the authorities had no choice as we agree strongly that our game is not suitable for game players who are not adults. The content of AVP is based on some of the most innovative and iconic horror movies, and as such we wanted to create a title that was true to the source material. It is for adults, and it is bloody and frightening, that was our intent. We will not be releasing a sanitised or cut down version for territories where adults are not considered by their governments to be able to make their own entertainment choices."

Also SEGA is pissed off and will make an appeal.

The game was banned because of first-person perspective, close-up depictions of human characters being subjected to various types of violence, including explicit decapitation and dismemberment as well as locational damage such as stabbing through the chest, mouth, throat, or eyes.

Australia doesn't have an 18+ rating for games because of a certain dumbass Attorney-General called Michael Atkinson, who wrote this:

"A Queensland letter writer (The Advertiser, 7/3/09) claims that democracy is at an end because I, as Attorney-General, will not agree to an R18+ category for interactive computer games; that "every other state AG is against him"; and the only way to bring back democracy is to vote me out at the next election.
It is true that I am opposed to an R18+ category for interactive games, but I am one of at least four Attorneys so opposed.
I welcome a challenge in my electorate of Croydon at the next general election on this issue.
Among my constituents are hundreds of refugees who are trying to find lodgings for the family, gain employment and sponsor relatives from the old country.
Their vote is hardly likely to hinge on the "right" to score gamer points on the computer screen by running down and killing pedestrians on the pavement, raping a mother and her two daughters, blowing onself up in a market, cutting people in half with large calibre shells, injecting drugs to win an athletics event or killing a prostitute to recover the fee one just paid her (Welcome to the world of R18+ computer games).
Those of my constituents who are refugees have been subjected to the practical instead of the virtual suffering that R18+ nerds seek to inflict for their gratification on the computer screen."

Lol.

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#2 Nerkcon
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That was great! :lol: Maybe I'll start paying attention to Australia's elections. Also; Source please.
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#3 Im_single
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What a tool, Michael Atkinson I mean. Good on the AVP devs for standing up to this ridiculous law.
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#4 Baranga
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That was great! :lol: Maybe I'll start paying attention to Australia's elections. Also; Source please.Nerkcon

Edited the post.

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#5 lightleggy
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is there any game where you can rape a mother and her 2 daughters? cuz I dont recall one like that...
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#6 Nibroc420
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is there any game where you can rape a mother and her 2 daughters? cuz I dont recall one like that...lightleggy
i dont think there is,
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#7 rzepak
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]is there any game where you can rape a mother and her 2 daughters? cuz I dont recall one like that...Nibroc420
i dont think there is,

Yes there is. It is a japanese hentai game that sparked some controversy a while ago becouse it was avaiable on a non japanese Amazon page. This lead to talks of banning all hentai games, which seems odd as the games are meant for adults and so adults should get to choose what they play.

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#9 malikmmm
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too much violence ? The Australians have banned like 10+ games this year alone.
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#10 dakan45
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Couldnt agree more. I got tired of stupid censhorships. There are games that are for adults and games that are not. I got tired of developers taking away violence in games just because there are so many whinners and laws. The adult gamer has the right to choose what to play. Than god Rebellion is not like that and they wanna deliver a serious title. Seriously Australia got to start treating adult gamers like they are adults.
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#11 dakan45
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[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="lightleggy"]is there any game where you can rape a mother and her 2 daughters? cuz I dont recall one like that...rzepak

i dont think there is,

Yes there is. It is a japanese hentai game that sparked some controversy a while ago becouse it was avaiable on a non japanese Amazon page. This lead to talks of banning all hentai games, which seems odd as the games are meant for adults and so adults should get to choose what they play.

Lol i have seen that when i went to japan on vocation. Poor design quality but its still pretty disturbing.
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#12 MrWednesday14
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Atkinson sounds like a tool.

And what game allows you to inject drugs to win athletic event, or blow yourself up in a market?

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#13 Bedizen
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Only Atkinson can save me from myself. :?

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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]That was great! :lol: Maybe I'll start paying attention to Australia's elections. Also; Source please.

no joke! i wish US politics had such freely speaking politicians. too good.
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Those of my constituents who are refugees have been subjected to the practical instead of the virtual suffering that R18+ nerds seek to inflict for their gratification on the computer screen."

Baranga

lol... Certainly this has to be a joke?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkGpTuYQSxY

Sums up the Public today Globally, personally.

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#16 Baranga
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[QUOTE="Baranga"]
Those of my constituents who are refugees have been subjected to the practical instead of the virtual suffering that R18+ nerds seek to inflict for their gratification on the computer screen."

OoSuperMarioO

lol... Certainly this has to be a joke?

It's not :lol:

Kotaku posted this letter and an enormous commentary that demolishes it.

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#18 OoSuperMarioO
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[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]

[QUOTE="Baranga"]
Those of my constituents who are refugees have been subjected to the practical instead of the virtual suffering that R18+ nerds seek to inflict for their gratification on the computer screen."

Baranga

lol... Certainly this has to be a joke?

It's not :lol:

Kotaku posted this letter and an enormous commentary that demolishes it.

Going to hold my comments.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]is there any game where you can rape a mother and her 2 daughters? cuz I dont recall one like that...Nibroc420
i dont think there is,

A little off topic, but I love your sig. tag! :lol:

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#20 Iantheone
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Im still very amazed that this and L4D2 were banned, but GTA was ok to be sold in aussie. GTA is far worse than both of them imo
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#22 GameShark9000
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Im still very amazed that this and L4D2 were banned, but GTA was ok to be sold in aussie. GTA is far worse than both of them imoIantheone
I agree with you. And for all I know, God of War 3, and/or the next Saw movie will make it to assue with little to no fuss.
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#25 chapman86
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Im a pc gamer who live in america and im very thankful for that.

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#26 chapman86
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By the way, i really like the way developer showed the guts against the overrating censorship law. If all the dev kneel before those idiotic censhorship, we maybe still be playing tetris and minesweeper right now.

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#27 Swiftstrike5
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[QUOTE="Iantheone"]Im still very amazed that this and L4D2 were banned, but GTA was ok to be sold in aussie. GTA is far worse than both of them imoGameShark9000
I agree with you. And for all I know, God of War 3, and/or the next Saw movie will make it to assue with little to no fuss.

I think it has something to do with the first person view.
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#28 Jd1680a
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Makes me glad the US doesnt have the kind of moral police who make decide for us what is best. Especially when you have a person who will make a decision based on his personal view of things.
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[QUOTE="GameShark9000"][QUOTE="Iantheone"]Im still very amazed that this and L4D2 were banned, but GTA was ok to be sold in aussie. GTA is far worse than both of them imoSwiftstrike5
I agree with you. And for all I know, God of War 3, and/or the next Saw movie will make it to assue with little to no fuss.

I think it has something to do with the first person view.

That makes no sense. Its ok to kill cops and civilians in third person, but not first? The only thing i can see that would be a problem is some of the gore, but the games are designed for adults. You get much worse in the movies.
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#30 Swiftstrike5
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[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"][QUOTE="GameShark9000"] I agree with you. And for all I know, God of War 3, and/or the next Saw movie will make it to assue with little to no fuss.

I think it has something to do with the first person view.

That makes no sense. Its ok to kill cops and civilians in third person, but not first? The only thing i can see that would be a problem is some of the gore, but the games are designed for adults. You get much worse in the movies.

"The game was banned because of first-person perspective, close-up depictions of human characters being subjected to various types of violence, including explicit decapitation and dismemberment as well as locational damage such as stabbing through the chest, mouth, throat, or eyes." Their words, not mine.
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#31 dakan45
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Yeah, but you cant take decapitations from the game, its a part of the achievement system to collect heads!!!
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#32 linkthewindow
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Great response from the devs. I wasn't planning on buying this, but I'll certainly consider it if it gets released down here. He's used the "people don't care about an interactive world before, people care about real life," argument before. The same argument can be used for censorship of films, the internet (which one minister is actually considering,) and even books. It's not my "right" to score gamer points that I care about, it's my right (or more correctly, the developer's right) to free speech.

Don't get why Australian government bothering censoring stuff anyway, it's almost like it all for show since people can either pirate the game or get it off steam anyway

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We can't get it off Steam as steam has to censor their downloadable titles to conform with Australian laws (L4D2.)
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LOL that was awesome. Best statement ever.
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#34 lightleggy
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Don't get why Australian government bothering censoring stuff anyway, it's almost like it all for show since people can either pirate the game or get it off steam anyway

999realthings
ehhhh the games are prohibited by law...its illegal to have them...its a crime. you can get chased by having the game, and you CANT buy it with steam if your account is located in australia
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#35 F1_2004
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This Atkins guy should man up and ban all adult movies too, or put up with 18+rated games. I mean, what's more despicable, watching violence in computer animated pixels, or violence being acted out in real-time? If you allow the latter, surely you must allow the former.
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#36 Dante2710
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:lol: that was so much ownage. Im puzzled as to why Australia doesnt create a 18+ rating already.
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#37 lightleggy
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This Atkins guy should man up and ban all adult movies too, or put up with 18+rated games. I mean, what's more despicable, watching violence in computer animated pixels, or violence being acted out in real-time? If you allow the latter, surely you must allow the former.F1_2004
nah I bet that if you tell him "and why dont you bann movies too?" he will do it...
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#38 linkthewindow
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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]This Atkins guy should man up and ban all adult movies too, or put up with 18+rated games. I mean, what's more despicable, watching violence in computer animated pixels, or violence being acted out in real-time? If you allow the latter, surely you must allow the former.lightleggy
nah I bet that if you tell him "and why dont you bann movies too?" he will do it...

But only children play video games, duh!
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rofl nice, that response almost makes me want to buy the game

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#40 THA-TODD-BEAST
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Australia and Germany are the worst for this. What a joke.

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#41 PvtHurst
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Mr Atkinson sure is obsessed with the "saftey of the children." I'm thinking he just wants to save them all for himself. I wouldnt be suprised to hear the creepy bastard has a couple chained up in his basement Fritzle style.

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#42 gudlyf09
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ohhhh sum1 plz think about the refugees.....stupid atkinson, if i want to blow **** up and rape ppl in a video game that is my own god damn business. Just cuz refugees are inflicted with this stuff in real life means iam not allowed to have fun? NEWS FLASH ATKINSON: Violence/action is fun, thats y there are so many god damn violent movies and so many ppl that go and watch them to enjoy themselves and have a good time. Any1 with a functioning brain will know that if u do that stuff in real life u will have to pay for the consequences. Children can also get a hold of a knife and stab sum1, does that mean we should ban all knives aswell? His stupid, idiot logic is just stupid and idiotic. He is doing nothing but trying to have a go at gamers. Calling em nerds.....pffft wut a biased mofo. Trying to bring his 1950's views into the modern world. Its ppl like this that hinder a developing world.

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is there any game where you can rape a mother and her 2 daughters? cuz I dont recall one like that...lightleggy

In Rapelay you can rape a mother and her 1 daughter. I haven't played it though, I swear.

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#44 Crimsader
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Good, they inspire piracy :|

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#45 nutcrackr
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I wouldn't have bought the censored version anyway. Maybe I'll import it.
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#46 the_mitch28
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Did he just put refugees before citizens? How does this guy keep getting elected?

The man is an enemy of democracy and our children, he is twisted to think he is helping either.

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[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"] I think it has something to do with the first person view. Swiftstrike5
That makes no sense. Its ok to kill cops and civilians in third person, but not first? The only thing i can see that would be a problem is some of the gore, but the games are designed for adults. You get much worse in the movies.

"The game was banned because of first-person perspective, close-up depictions of human characters being subjected to various types of violence, including explicit decapitation and dismemberment as well as locational damage such as stabbing through the chest, mouth, throat, or eyes." Their words, not mine.

Yeah, the first-person-view makes all the difference. :roll:

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#49 MondeEdlu
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sounds to me like atkinson shld definately make a video game. steroids, mass killings, multiple rape, give the man a job at EA.

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#50 Arach666
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Well I´m glad that I live in a country where no game was ever censored/banned. Wouldn´t want to be in the skin of our aussie friends. :)