Batman Arkham City to use Improved PhysX and support DirectX11 and 3D

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

That's because physx is coded terribly for processors. It's x87 based, and until just a few months ago wasn't even multithreaded.

DanielDust

The problem is that PhysX's CPU implementation is categorically worse than Havok's. So that option of running some extra eye candy physics on the GPU costs you overall performance.

There's too much latency involved, making it useless for any physics that affects gameplay (which is why PhysX generally only runs non-interactive things like particle systems on the GPU)

Teufelhuhn

In other words you'll never see a game like red faction using physx.

Very cool, I look forward to it. I'll be playing with all the features enabled. Possibly even 3d, depending on the type of support. If I can use my VT25 Plasma and the glasses that came with it, I'll be in business. Crysis 2 is kinda cool with 3d on.

hartsickdiscipl

You should try Just Cause 2 with the 3DTV nvidia drivers, the 3D is just amazing on my VT30. Best i've seen in a game so far.

@topic: Sounds good, i liked the physx in Batman AA, didn't feel tacked on at all.

I have to say, Batman has some of the best use of Physx I have seen so far... But even then I didn't play with it on. The smooth gameplay was more important to me. (I mean the game looked phenomenal anway maxed out without the physx on)

Who knows, I might try it with physx on for AC. (if the WiiU version doesn't seem to be more interesting, to me) If I don't like the framerate with it on, I will just turn it back off.

In other words you'll never see a game like red faction using physx.topgunmv

Of course not, GPUs cannot handle sequential computations but they were never meant to, they're just there for the visuals, and what they do with Physx is just to improve visuals so it's not like we're being completely mislead by Nvidea :lol: I consider Physx as a graphics option, max settings + Physx vs without is like high vs ultra.

I like the way Batman AA and Mafia II implemented Physx, even though Mafia II was really buggy half the time.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]In other words you'll never see a game like red faction using physx.Zubinen

Of course not, GPUs cannot handle sequential computations but they were never meant to, they're just there for the visuals, and what they do with Physx is just to improve visuals so it's not like we're being completely mislead by Nvidea :lol: I consider Physx as a graphics option, max settings + Physx vs without is like high vs ultra.

I like the way Batman AA and Mafia II implemented Physx, even though Mafia II was really buggy half the time.

Tell that to everyone who says physx should supplant systems like havok.

3D was a huge help in Batman AA's detective mode. You are able to appreciate distance and the various objects between you and the targets much better.

PhysX effects like papers, leaves, sparks and especially smoke add a lot to the atmosphere. Same goes for cloth, water or particles in other games. I've yet to see a CPU-based physics engine capable of handling so many little details.

to all of you who say phys-x and nvidia 3d vision are all gimmick and are "tacked on" please shut up already. physx is not a game changer however it does add saome nice effects. i played arkham asylam on ps3 and then on pc and i noticed physx added a good amount of environmental effects. not major yet still cool. as far a s3d vision you have to just try it to see if you like it. i think batman aa is one of the best looking 3d vision enabled games ever made.

Tell that to everyone who says physx should supplant systems like havok.

topgunmv

3D was a huge help in Batman AA's detective mode. You are able to appreciate distance and the various objects between you and the targets much better.

PhysX effects like papers, leaves, sparks and especially smoke add a lot to the atmosphere. Same goes for cloth, water or particles in other games. I've yet to see a CPU-based physics engine capable of handling so many little details.

Baranga

Still, Batman Arkham City looks like an excellent release to show off the best of Physx.

I don't see what's so hard to understand, Havok affects gameplay and is a fully functioning physics engine, Physx enhances visuals and is for purely aesthetic purposes.

Zubinen

Physx is a fully functioning physics engine as well, it just has the capablity to utilize GPU acceleration. Physx isn't just a bunch of special effects, it is as much a physics engine as Havok

[QUOTE="Zubinen"]

I don't see what's so hard to understand, Havok affects gameplay and is a fully functioning physics engine, Physx enhances visuals and is for purely aesthetic purposes.

ferret-gamer

Physx is a fully functioning physics engine as well, it just has the capablity to utilize GPU acceleration. Physx isn't just a bunch of special effects, it is as much a physics engine as Havok

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="Zubinen"]

I don't see what's so hard to understand, Havok affects gameplay and is a fully functioning physics engine, Physx enhances visuals and is for purely aesthetic purposes.

DanielDust

Physx is a fully functioning physics engine as well, it just has the capablity to utilize GPU acceleration. Physx isn't just a bunch of special effects, it is as much a physics engine as Havok

Oh and what I meant was that the GPU accelerated Physx is purely aesthetic, which is what people are generally talking about when it comes to Physx.

i want so much to buy a dx11 gpu for this game. but GTX 590 costs 720 euros and gtx 580 costs 500 euros in my country so i can not afford them yet. I want to buy a gpu that will be able to run all games in dx11 mode at max settings . that means gtx 590 or gtx 580. i have to wait months before price drop:cry::x GRRRRRR.......

i want so much to buy a dx11 gpu for this game. but GTX 590 costs 720 euros and gtx 580 costs 500 euros in my country so i can not afford them yet. I want to buy a gpu that will be able to run all games in dx11 mode at max settings . that means gtx 590 or gtx 580. i have to wait months before price drop:cry::x GRRRRRR.......

STOCKMAN22

The only difference between Physx and havock is that Physx can take advanatage of GPU accelleration. GPU's are great at runnign a ton of repetative tasks, something physics simulations require a lot of.

As a result of being able to tap into the GPU, Physx also features more accurate physics simulations, and can be used to do a lot more on more objects than somehting runnign purely on the CPU.

Now, the criticism has been made against Nvidia, that they purposely gimped the performance of Physx on the CPU. This is almost certianly true. No doubt tapping into CPU extensions and optimizing for modern processors would mean a significant performance boost, but if the engine ran even at 50% efficiency on the PCU alone, that's less insentive for people to go out and buy their GPU's, since they can get a decent enough improvement runing Physx on their CPU's.

The optimal solution is a physics simulation package either built in to the engine or sold seperately that usises DX 11 hardware to run Physics accelleration...

And I'm sure we'll see that.. eventually. Probably once the next xbox comes out and DX 11 GPU's on the PC become more mainstream.

The only difference between Physx and havock is that Physx can take advanatage of GPU accelleration. GPU's are great at runnign a ton of repetative tasks, something physics simulations require a lot of.

As a result of being able to tap into the GPU, Physx also features more accurate physics simulations, and can be used to do a lot more on more objects than somehting runnign purely on the CPU.

Now, the criticism has been made against Nvidia, that they purposely gimped the performance of Physx on the CPU. This is almost certianly true. No doubt tapping into CPU extensions and optimizing for modern processors would mean a significant performance boost, but if the engine ran even at 50% efficiency on the PCU alone, that's less insentive for people to go out and buy their GPU's, since they can get a decent enough improvement runing Physx on their CPU's.

The optimal solution is a physics simulation package either built in to the engine or sold seperately that usises DX 11 hardware to run Physics accelleration...

And I'm sure we'll see that.. eventually. Probably once the next xbox comes out and DX 11 GPU's on the PC become more mainstream.

Kinthalis

[QUOTE="STOCKMAN22"]

i want so much to buy a dx11 gpu for this game. but GTX 590 costs 720 euros and gtx 580 costs 500 euros in my country so i can not afford them yet. I want to buy a gpu that will be able to run all games in dx11 mode at max settings . that means gtx 590 or gtx 580. i have to wait months before price drop:cry::x GRRRRRR.......

ferret-gamer

i will wait for gtx 590 to drop price. Yesterday i went to my local shop the shop that i bought new motherboard cpu an ram 2 months ago, he told me that gpu prices will drop from september because then pc sales will rise he said that now because it is summer, pc sales are not so strong like in winter so he expects the price to drop in september. i will wait and see what happens. I still have a monster pc as you can see, very good cpu ram and motherboard, only gpu is old so it is still a monster pc.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="STOCKMAN22"]

i want so much to buy a dx11 gpu for this game. but GTX 590 costs 720 euros and gtx 580 costs 500 euros in my country so i can not afford them yet. I want to buy a gpu that will be able to run all games in dx11 mode at max settings . that means gtx 590 or gtx 580. i have to wait months before price drop:cry::x GRRRRRR.......

STOCKMAN22

i will wait for gtx 590 to drop price. Yesterday i went to my local shop the shop that i bought new motherboard cpu an ram 2 months ago, he told me that gpu prices will drop from september because then pc sales will rise he said that now because it is summer, pc sales are not so strong like in winter so he expects the price to drop in september. i will wait and see what happens. I still have a monster pc as you can see, very good cpu ram and motherboard, only gpu is old so it is still a monster pc.

Wow, this is going to be awesome. My Nvidia 3D vision will come in handy.

Wow, this is going to be awesome. My Nvidia 3D vision will come in handy.

kaealy

[QUOTE="kaealy"]

Wow, this is going to be awesome. My Nvidia 3D vision will come in handy.

merigoldsass