[QUOTE="dnuggs40"] you know...I respect your opinion and all...but acting like it's kiddie crap is kinda arrogant. Nobody says you have to like these series, but to pretend they are junk and not worthy of it's acclaim is pretty rediculous. Millions of people love the series for a reason...and it's not becuase it's sci-fi porridge...it's becuase they are great.
You have to remember, Star Trek came out during a time of racial inequality and when sci-fi was not mainstream. The whole idea behind a show set thousands of years in the future with a diverse cast and fully fleshed out universe with great morals and plotlines really brought it to the forefront of society.
And Star Wars is not "kiddie crap". It's more like a western meets martial arts set in a sci-fi world. Yes it appeals to family values, that doesn't make it kiddie crap. There is plenty of grown up themes in the Star Wars universe, such as murder, political strife, good and evil, and other grown up stuff.
you need to understand the context in which these two series evolved from...
A-S_FM
i didn't mean to imply that i think it doesn't deserve worldwide praise - i am very respectful of other peoples' opinion and while i vehemently defend my own, i don't try and push it on others... i don't think that i am right and they are wrong, and worldwide acclaim is just earned by having a lot of individual, legitimate opinions... so i don't have a problem with that
as for star wars' charms - i'm not talking about the overall or specific individual themes or subtexts or social commentaries of the films, i'm aware of what star wars and star trek both are, and what they have both done - and there are many brilliant things to each, i don't mean to say that it's bad, but that it's bad scifi
'm talking about the science fiction universes as science fiction universes - i find that star wars has a complete lack of culture and depth to the civilisations, everything is sugar coated and it feels like a fairy tale in a science fiction skin - while it may deal with adult themes, the way it explores them is anything but mature, whether it's the dun dun dun dun da dun iconic bad guy or the style of the combat - plus, take the acting and the writing and stick them between some bread and you got yourself a ham and cheese
same with star trek, i'm familiar with the cultural situation of the time (though i'll never truly understand it, i wasn't alive at the time), and just how amazing it is - but that makes it a good show set in a scifi world, not a good scifi world to set the show in... from the silly alien of the week syndrome to the military r-tardation of the federation, i can't take any star trek seriously as a science fiction (tng is one of my favourite shows btw, the characters, writing and intertwining plotlines are some of the finest i've experienced)
i do think star wars deserves worldwide acclaim and praise, and if it's sitting in your dvd library, it's there because it deserves to be there - i just don't think it deserves to be there for the science fiction universe it's set in - and as a scifi, i really do hate it
A-S, how old were you when you saw Star Wars for the first time? If you managed to analyze the world of SW this deeply when you were a child, then colour me impressed... First time I saw the films (I don't remember how old I was, but pretty young, 7 maybe), all I cared about is how awesome Jedis are. And Darth Vader (dam dam dam dam da dam) was pretty cool back then... I think nostalgia is the main reason to why "everyone" loves Star Wars. And those movies are still great IMO + you don't see adventure movies too often nowadays.
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