BF3 gripes...legitemate

I play with my wife on BF3 (we both sport pretty rocking computers) and there are so many little things this game could do to avoid frustration:

1) Parties should be on the same team. Autobalancers force us to switch teams as much as play the game. Its absurd. Autobalancers should balance single players, or both members of the party (or more if the party is larger).

2) Hackers. I have seen plenty of people in threads saying there aren't that many cheaters, but every day I get shot behind buildings (granted this can happen with lag discrepencies, but occasionally there are really bullets coming straight through bricks/metal/other unbreakable barricades). Too much rounding a corner for an immediate headshot too. I can say this can happen, but its so often I can't help wondering if a good amount of people use aimbots. Also, shooting a guy at midrange for a clip, getting killed, and seeing their health @ 100% is annoying.

3) Cheap, cheap guns. This forces everybody else to use cheap guns, filling the field with AEKs (not that cheap) to M320s (super cheap) to mortar spam (super duper cheap...free kills with little to no risk of retaliation), USAS+frag=sniper/rocketlauncher/shotgun.

4) Not often, but from time to time vehicles are impossible to lock on to, even when in close range...missiles can't lock on and fire=worthless.

5) Spawn killing is immense in this game compared to many others I've played.

Anywhos...just wanted to complain a bit. This is one point where consoles win generally...I miss Halo's matchmaking and even matches. In BF3, people switch teams to get on the better team, leading to a losing team that switches people like crazy and have no coordination to repel the better team. Additionally...not enough players have a sack, leading to strong rushes for the win! ;) Also, as you all know, too many snipers in the game. Sniping doesn't help so much! Team full of snipers=loss.

Thanks for letting me gripe! Flame away boys and girls...

I have to say that autobalancers are kind of a necessary evil in the dedicated gameing server world.

My gripes are that it is dumbed down. Vanilla BF2 is much better and with PR, BF3 is just worthless.

I play with my wife on BF3 (we both sport pretty rocking computers) and there are so many little things this game could do to avoid frustration:

1) Parties should be on the same team. Autobalancers force us to switch teams as much as play the game. Its absurd. Autobalancers should balance single players, or both members of the party (or more if the party is larger).

2) Hackers. I have seen plenty of people in threads saying there aren't that many cheaters, but every day I get shot behind buildings (granted this can happen with lag discrepencies, but occasionally there are really bullets coming straight through bricks/metal/other unbreakable barricades). Too much rounding a corner for an immediate headshot too. I can say this can happen, but its so often I can't help wondering if a good amount of people use aimbots. Also, shooting a guy at midrange for a clip, getting killed, and seeing their health @ 100% is annoying.

3) Cheap, cheap guns. This forces everybody else to use cheap guns, filling the field with AEKs (not that cheap) to M320s (super cheap) to mortar spam (super duper cheap...free kills with little to no risk of retaliation), USAS+frag=sniper/rocketlauncher/shotgun.

4) Not often, but from time to time vehicles are impossible to lock on to, even when in close range...missiles can't lock on and fire=worthless.

5) Spawn killing is immense in this game compared to many others I've played.

Anywhos...just wanted to complain a bit. This is one point where consoles win generally...I miss Halo's matchmaking and even matches. In BF3, people switch teams to get on the better team, leading to a losing team that switches people like crazy and have no coordination to repel the better team. Additionally...not enough players have a sack, leading to strong rushes for the win! ;) Also, as you all know, too many snipers in the game. Sniping doesn't help so much! Team full of snipers=loss.

Thanks for letting me gripe! Flame away boys and girls...

demi0227_basic

My gripes are that it is dumbed down. Vanilla BF2 is much better and with PR, BF3 is just worthless.

MacBoomStick

Everybody always says PR.

PR IS SO GOOD GUYS, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IT AGAIN.

Does anybody remember that DICE didn't actually make PR? They made BF2 which was also horribly flawed until about a year after launch. So quickly to forget. I guess people just forgot when they were padding their stats with the unkillable BF2 jets.

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My gripes are that it is dumbed down. Vanilla BF2 is much better and with PR, BF3 is just worthless.

Wasdie

Everybody always says PR.

PR IS SO GOOD GUYS, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IT AGAIN.

Does anybody remember that DICE didn't actually make PR? They made BF2 which was also horribly flawed until about a year after launch. So quickly to forget. I guess people just forgot when they were padding their stats with the unkillable BF2 jets.

1) Keeping parties together is a huge issue with BF3, no idea why developers can't get this right.

2) If you get shot while moving behind cover, it's lag. There are huge issues with client syncing in BF3 that DICE is just ignoring. Players rounding a corner have a significant advantage over a stationary player (due to updating player position). If they kill you before your hits are registered to the server, they'll take no damage (hence 100% health). There's a 0.5-1 second window where the player rounding the corner sees you, but you don't see him. I suggest you watch this video to get an idea of the how bad this issue is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc5o-b6zsYo

(1:45 has best example)

3) USAS+Frag is about the only weapon you listed that's actually cheap (on metro/bazaar only) and it's being nerfed. Mortars are hardly ever used on conquest maps and their effectiveness on Rush maps is being nerfed (even though it's already absurdly hard to kill with them). Also, there hasn't been a FPS game yet where people don't complain about the grenade launcher. It's always nerfed into the ground because people expect to only die by guns (hence, another mortar nerf) when your positioning can make you an easy target for a grenade launcher or smaw. M320 was given to the class that's supposed to dominate infantry combat (assault) and it will dominate you if you choose to engage in the wrong position. The M320 is mostly used for finishing targets anyways. I have yet to see someone running around with the M320 out, since it's not nearly as powerful as other games that implement a grenade launcher. The SMAW is much more powerful than the M320 anyways, so I'm surprised you're complaining about the M320.

4) Certain abilities make it so you can't lock on to vehicles for a certain period of time and something as small as a tree can stop you from locking on to a vehicle.

5) Spawn killing is a result of where you choose to spawn. If you spawn on an squadmate, don't complain that you're dead when you knew you were spawning under fire. As for spawning elsewhere, it's a risk you take to spawn close to the front lines. Yes, a few maps, like Bazaar, have really bad spawn locations, but the larger maps have no issues with this. It sounds like you're mostly playing those smaller maps with more people than intended if you having a lot of run ins with USAS+Frags and spawning issues (these maps were designed for 24 people. Running 64 people will result in bad spawns...)

The game just pisses me off in general. I cant even play it anymore, I just get super angry really fast and don't get any fun out of it. No other games have this effect on me. Except maybe for golf (the real life sport).

It seemed every game I joined, the enemy team was horribly stacked against our team, I would get spawn killed repeatedly, head-shotted from hip-fired LMG's from 50 yards away etc.

The game just pisses me off in general. I cant even play it anymore, I just get super angry really fast and don't get any fun out of it. No other games have this effect on me. Except maybe for golf (the real life sport).

It seemed every game I joined, the enemy team was horribly stacked against our team, I would get spawn killed repeatedly, head-shotted from hip-fired LMG's from 50 yards away etc.

with_teeth26

1) Keeping parties together is a huge issue with BF3, no idea why developers can't get this right.

2) If you get shot while moving behind cover, it's lag. There are huge issues with client syncing in BF3 that DICE is just ignoring. Players rounding a corner have a significant advantage over a stationary player (due to updating player position). If they kill you before your hits are registered to the server, they'll take no damage (hence 100% health). There's a 0.5-1 second window where the player rounding the corner sees you, but you don't see him. I suggest you watch this video to get an idea of the how bad this issue is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc5o-b6zsYo

(1:45 has best example)

3) USAS+Frag is about the only weapon you listed that's actually cheap (on metro/bazaar only) and it's being nerfed. Mortars are hardly ever used on conquest maps and their effectiveness on Rush maps is being nerfed (even though it's already absurdly hard to kill with them). Also, there hasn't been a FPS game yet where people don't complain about the grenade launcher. It's always nerfed into the ground because people expect to only die by guns (hence, another mortar nerf) when your positioning can make you an easy target for a grenade launcher or smaw. M320 was given to the class that's supposed to dominate infantry combat (assault) and it will dominate you if you choose to engage in the wrong position. The M320 is mostly used for finishing targets anyways. I have yet to see someone running around with the M320 out, since it's not nearly as powerful as other games that implement a grenade launcher. The SMAW is much more powerful than the M320 anyways, so I'm surprised you're complaining about the M320.

4) Certain abilities make it so you can't lock on to vehicles for a certain period of time and something as small as a tree can stop you from locking on to a vehicle.

5) Spawn killing is a result of where you choose to spawn. If you spawn on an squadmate, don't complain that you're dead when you knew you were spawning under fire. As for spawning elsewhere, it's a risk you take to spawn close to the front lines. Yes, a few maps, like Bazaar, have really bad spawn locations, but the larger maps have no issues with this. It sounds like you're mostly playing those smaller maps with more people than intended if you having a lot of run ins with USAS+Frags and spawning issues (these maps were designed for 24 people. Running 64 people will result in bad spawns...)

Swiftstrike5

Party system sucks. If you wante to play with three others there isn't a reason why it should put you on other teams. F all that auto balancing stuff.

I will agree that BF3 can be quite frustrating when you're first starting out. It does get better though. Some of the unlocks help as well as understanding what the enemy is using and how they use it. For instance, I am a big armor player and I used to get very annoyed by all of the Javelin spam. I then realized they rely on lazor spots and I knew to take those out. I also was driving around without the smoke launchers. My life is much better now.

My gripes are that it is dumbed down. Vanilla BF2 is much better and with PR, BF3 is just worthless.

MacBoomStick

[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"]

My gripes are that it is dumbed down. Vanilla BF2 is much better and with PR, BF3 is just worthless.

SF_KiLLaMaN

I just hate how everyone trys to switch to the winning team and it makes it so the losing team has absolutely no chance at all of winning the game.

[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"]

My gripes are that it is dumbed down. Vanilla BF2 is much better and with PR, BF3 is just worthless.

SF_KiLLaMaN

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="MacBoomStick"]

My gripes are that it is dumbed down. Vanilla BF2 is much better and with PR, BF3 is just worthless.

MacBoomStick

Jets aren't godly, WAY more customization, a better balance of maps (sure they're not all huge, but there are huge maps and smaller maps. there are maps for everyone), Hit detection is way better (IMO), Destructible environments, rewards for things like suppression, snipers aren't ridiculously cheap (no scope movement anyone?).

Of course no VOIP and Mods sucks, but I can live with it because they made a lot of improvements. If anything, they gave the game more depth rather than dumb it down.

My biggest gripe though is with Jets. How the hell am I supposed to level up to get flares and missiles when it is next to impossible to survive without said flares and missiles? I just get shot out of the sky the first 30 seconds I go up. Maybe I just suck, but I find it pretty unfair.

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[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] Care to elaborate? I don't see how BF3 is dumbed down at all. SF_KiLLaMaN

Jets aren't godly, WAY more customization, a better balance of maps (sure they're not all huge, but there are huge maps and smaller maps. there are maps for everyone), Hit detection is way better (IMO), Destructible environments, rewards for things like suppression, snipers aren't ridiculously cheap (no scope movement anyone?).

Of course no VOIP and Mods sucks, but I can live with it because they made a lot of improvements. If anything, they gave the game more depth rather than dumb it down.

My biggest gripe though is with Jets. How the hell am I supposed to level up to get flares and missiles when it is next to impossible to survive without said flares and missiles? I just get shot out of the sky the first 30 seconds I go up. Maybe I just suck, but I find it pretty unfair.

I think I unlocked flares by ramming my jet into a loaded transport helo :P

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"] No commander. Small Maps. No VOIP. No Battlerecorder. No mods. Client side hit detection. Blinding sun. No (working) commo-rose

GS550L

Jets aren't godly, WAY more customization, a better balance of maps (sure they're not all huge, but there are huge maps and smaller maps. there are maps for everyone), Hit detection is way better (IMO), Destructible environments, rewards for things like suppression, snipers aren't ridiculously cheap (no scope movement anyone?).

Of course no VOIP and Mods sucks, but I can live with it because they made a lot of improvements. If anything, they gave the game more depth rather than dumb it down.

My biggest gripe though is with Jets. How the hell am I supposed to level up to get flares and missiles when it is next to impossible to survive without said flares and missiles? I just get shot out of the sky the first 30 seconds I go up. Maybe I just suck, but I find it pretty unfair.

I think I unlocked flares by ramming my jet into a loaded transport helo :P

Oh I agree the autobalancers are necessary! It just sucks when one of us gets kicked to the opposite team as we are in a party. See? We have to spend our first 5-15 minutes trying to get on the same team.demi0227_basic

I don't mind getting put on opposite teams when partied with a friend. It just lets me run his ass over with a jeep.

I don't mind getting put on opposite teams when partied with a friend. It just lets me run his ass over with a jeep.

ChubbyGuy40

i have alot of issues with bf3. Most of all stacked company 2 and stacked field 3....dont' have an autoblanace.

not an autoblanace like alot of bf2 mods used to have. I mean autokcikcing for baserape...autokicking for vehichle steals....and auto balancing based on scores not just even team numbers.

TEXASTEAMPLAYERS where art thou? bf2 had such a better community. but jus to list some more gripes:

1. the usas-12 gauge shotgun that has become over used...and can hit people long distance across maps. its starting to seem like a hackers fav gun.

2. The fact everytime i get out of a tank...its INTO enemey fire.....not the opposite like in bc2. where you always got out of the tank automatically OPPOSITE of enemy fire, which makes more sense.

3. the fact vehicles repair themeslves??? what?

4. the fact vehicles get disabled? what?

5. and i hate all these bottleneck maps. bgf3 maps are tiny compared to bf2. the only good map is caspian border. the other bf3 maps... are small infantry, lets all bottleneck in this hallway or tunnel for the whole match. most of these conquest matches might as well be rush...

6. The fact there is no two seater jets....like in bf2 :(

eh i can go on and on if i'm gonna start comparing to bf2...i'll stop here.

I give up on flying jets. It's near impossible to do anything when everyone else has flares and missiles and all I have the the f*cking cannon. SF_KiLLaMaN

The problem with BF3 is they tried to make it to serious. Battlefield always had that little bit of relism but over the top stuff happened. Like choppers crashed right over your head, our your drive a jeep with c4 in a tank, or that plane just crashed into a tank. The crazy stuff that happened in bf made it fun.

That what made battlefield those OMG momments, bf3 just tried to be Cod with a touch of Arma and thats just not what people love.

The problem with BF3 is they tried to make it to serious. Battlefield always had that little bit of relism but over the top stuff happened. Like choppers crashed right over your head, our your drive a jeep with c4 in a tank, or that plane just crashed into a tank. The crazy stuff that happened in bf made it fun.

That what made battlefield those OMG momments, bf3 just tried to be Cod with a touch of Arma and thats just not what people love.

James161324

I bought this the other day in the Origin sale but after 2 days play I am close to quitting for good.

Why the F is it mouse wheel down to switch to pistol? That is the most counter intuitive thing ever.

The mini map is close to useless and the spawn map does not give the correct information. If I click on a squadmate it doesn't tell me where he is on the map, how I am supposed to know what I'm spawning into? I've spent ages staring at the map trying to find some indicator that shows my guy.

This leads to a soul destroying cycle of spawn die spawn die.

Mortar spam.

Battlelog in general is awful - I click to search infantry only maps and it brings up air maps, ace air maps, flying maps only, etc.

Where the hell is everyone? In the larger maps I have to check that there are actually 64 players in the game because I can go 5 minutes without seeing an enemy.

Hopefully some of these issies will be addressed in patches but I so far it's not half the game Bad Company 2 is.

[QUOTE="James161324"]

The problem with BF3 is they tried to make it to serious. Battlefield always had that little bit of relism but over the top stuff happened. Like choppers crashed right over your head, our your drive a jeep with c4 in a tank, or that plane just crashed into a tank. The crazy stuff that happened in bf made it fun.

That what made battlefield those OMG momments, bf3 just tried to be Cod with a touch of Arma and thats just not what people love.

ocstew

O yes be a fan boy. I'm not saying you can't but that stuff in the 40 sometime hrs i played rarely happened. Plus they ruined rush.

Just love how they didn't release an SDK so they could release all these maps and charge instead of getting the community involved with an SDK, so they could make their own maps and mods. Funny thing is mods sell games, more people bought BF1942 for DC mod more than the original game, so many people bought HL so they could play CS. People bought UT04 for Red Orchestra and BF2 for Project reality and custom maps is what sold most FPS games out today, they even created a genre with DOTA.

This is why I wont support DICE, they're more interested in getting a cheap buck, rather than building a game for the community.

Don't play Metro. Map was made for the CoD people. Play maps with vehicles! Gulf of Oman is fantastic.

I bought this the other day in the Origin sale but after 2 days play I am close to quitting for good.

Why the F is it mouse wheel down to switch to pistol? That is the most counter intuitive thing ever.

The mini map is close to useless and the spawn map does not give the correct information. If I click on a squadmate it doesn't tell me where he is on the map, how I am supposed to know what I'm spawning into? I've spent ages staring at the map trying to find some indicator that shows my guy.

This leads to a soul destroying cycle of spawn die spawn die.

Mortar spam.

Battlelog in general is awful - I click to search infantry only maps and it brings up air maps, ace air maps, flying maps only, etc.

Where the hell is everyone? In the larger maps I have to check that there are actually 64 players in the game because I can go 5 minutes without seeing an enemy.

Hopefully some of these issies will be addressed in patches but I so far it's not half the game Bad Company 2 is.

StormtrooprDave

Just love how they didn't release an SDK so they could release all these maps and charge instead of getting the community involved with an SDK, so they could make their own maps and mods. Funny thing is mods sell games, more people bought BF1942 for DC mod more than the original game, so many people bought HL so they could play CS. People bought UT04 for Red Orchestra and BF2 for Project reality and custom maps is what sold most FPS games out today, they even created a genre with DOTA.

This is why I wont support DICE, they're more interested in getting a cheap buck, rather than building a game for the community.

Tixylixx

The game just pisses me off in general. I cant even play it anymore, I just get super angry really fast and don't get any fun out of it. No other games have this effect on me. Except maybe for golf (the real life sport).

It seemed every game I joined, the enemy team was horribly stacked against our team, I would get spawn killed repeatedly, head-shotted from hip-fired LMG's from 50 yards away etc.

with_teeth26

Just love how they didn't release an SDK so they could release all these maps and charge instead of getting the community involved with an SDK, so they could make their own maps and mods. Funny thing is mods sell games, more people bought BF1942 for DC mod more than the original game, so many people bought HL so they could play CS. People bought UT04 for Red Orchestra and BF2 for Project reality and custom maps is what sold most FPS games out today, they even created a genre with DOTA.

This is why I wont support DICE, they're more interested in getting a cheap buck, rather than building a game for the community.

Tixylixx