Can Mods save Duke Nukem Forever?

As many who have already played the game (and those who dont but read in forums and blogs), Gearbox stripped many things that made Duke Nukem so great like the arsenal of weapons at your disposal, they removed health packs and introduced regenerative health, no keycards, linear gameplay and for many the graphics are awful.

Now, we know that mods can do wonders to a game and even make better the graphics (Stalker and Crysis for example). Do you think, when modders can finally find tools gave to them by Gearbox or made by themselves, can fix what Gearbox ruined for many of us old gamers who wanted a DNF to be like old Duke Nukem games?

Well, that kind of depends on your opinion of the game. I don't think Duke needs saving at all and the game is great fun for a nostalgic generation - as i've said many times to people now; this game is not aimed at the newer generation of gamers brought up on modern open ended games. So, no, mods won't save Duke because there isn't any reason to save him. He's good.

as i've said many times to people now; this game is not aimed at the newer generation of gamers brought up on modern open ended games.

Starshine_M2A2

as i've said many times to people now; this game is not aimed at the newer generation of gamers brought up on modern open ended games.

3D Realms themselves made those changes.

George Broussard: Yeah, blame us for it if you want. It may change in the future and I don't know what will happen with it, but it was us. I stand by it too, as you cannot discount designing games for a modern world and part of that world is consoles where the bulk of the sales can be. And on those consoles you have a controller. We tried for a long time to support lots of guns but we simply could not find a nice way to map it to a controller, despite trying 4-5 designs. We gave it enough time and decided to stop swimming against the current and adopt what was basically the "standard". It's not 1996 anymore.

Well, I wont deny that I liked it but I miss the fact I could wield many weapons in the past. It was fun using the shrinking ray and then use the duke foot for squash the monsters while I could still have my shotgun and other weapons. [QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]

as i've said many times to people now; this game is not aimed at the newer generation of gamers brought up on modern open ended games.

Miroku32

as i've said many times to people now; this game is not aimed at the newer generation of gamers brought up on modern open ended games.

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="Miroku32"] Then why regenerative health and only two weapons? As a gamer who played Doom, many of his clones and other FPS of the 90s I prefer the healthpacks instead of health regen. Starshine_M2A2

The bigger question is, will modders want to save Duke?

I really don't think Gearbox is to blame here. Remember that they picked up the project so they can finish what 3D Realms already started. They didn't reinvent the game.

I'm am old gamer and the game felt like a 'Duke' game, it was fun to play although not that much of a challenge. The only gripe i have is only being able to carry 2 weapons instead of being a bristling armory, so a mod to fix that issue would do me fine. Oh and mirror reflections are rubbish, very pixilated.

My brother (1986) really enjoys it, his only complains are the weird and dated graphics (modern character models and lightning, (some) old enviroments.

But he keeps telling how the game is totally duke (he loves to screw up pigs, blasting them with shells)

Myself (1989) haven't played the game yet but I think i will defenitly love it, I was one of the last Duke gamers.

Its why im buying this and rage this year..Ill love my duke fix for old time sake..When rage is out..Ill fullfil my weapons game..Its a decent year for fps games..Duke though will always be in our hearts..Im sure this game is find shame some of yall, are playing it and most of us have to wait until tue...Would love for games to hit stores on thur instead of tue..Would make more sence have the weekend to enjoy them..Ah well..In time ill be enjoying the duke for what he is..

Mods or not, I'm buying the game on day one. I didn't like having to reduce the "aim accuracy" to make the horizontal and vertical mouse speeds the same, and I don't know why they labled it as such, but whatever.. Stilll a worthy successor to the original IMO...-GeordiLaForge-

Day one?

Dude you are making a huge mistake. Why not just wait another day for more reviews / player reviews to come out?

You are going to regret this big time. Need I remind you that the Steam summer sale is around the corner in which your money will go further and you will get better games for that same money...

Please rethink this dude, the only similarity between this game and the oldschool Duke Nukem 3D is the name.

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Mods or not, I'm buying the game on day one. I didn't like having to reduce the "aim accuracy" to make the horizontal and vertical mouse speeds the same, and I don't know why they labled it as such, but whatever.. Stilll a worthy successor to the original IMO...Remmib

Day one?

Dude you are making a huge mistake. Why not just wait another day for more reviews / player reviews to come out?

You are going to regret this big time. Need I remind you that the Steam summer sale is around the corner in which your money will go further and you will get better games for that same money...

Please rethink this dude, the only similarity between this game and the oldschool Duke Nukem 3D is the name.

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]Mods or not, I'm buying the game on day one. I didn't like having to reduce the "aim accuracy" to make the horizontal and vertical mouse speeds the same, and I don't know why they labled it as such, but whatever.. Stilll a worthy successor to the original IMO...Starshine_M2A2

Day one?

Dude you are making a huge mistake. Why not just wait another day for more reviews / player reviews to come out?

You are going to regret this big time. Need I remind you that the Steam summer sale is around the corner in which your money will go further and you will get better games for that same money...

Please rethink this dude, the only similarity between this game and the oldschool Duke Nukem 3D is the name.

Yeah, it's called informed consumers. 8)

Just trying to help this dude not waste his money. I hate seeing people get shafted.

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"][QUOTE="Remmib"]

Day one?

Dude you are making a huge mistake. Why not just wait another day for more reviews / player reviews to come out?

You are going to regret this big time. Need I remind you that the Steam summer sale is around the corner in which your money will go further and you will get better games for that same money...

Please rethink this dude, the only similarity between this game and the oldschool Duke Nukem 3D is the name.

Remmib

Yeah, it's called informed consumers. 8)

Just trying to help this dude not waste his money. I hate seeing people get shafted.

Wait and see if you get it for sale during the Steam Sale... I am going to do that...

Secondly it might not be wasting his money... He may love the game... There may be a game in your collection that he can't stand, and would feel that you wasted your money!

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"] That's a strange level of concern right there. Do you work for a competitor?Lach0121

Yeah, it's called informed consumers. 8)

Just trying to help this dude not waste his money. I hate seeing people get shafted.

Wait and see if you get it for sale during the Steam Sale... I am going to do that...

Secondly it might not be wasting his money... He may love the game... There may be a game in your collection that he can't stand, and would feel that you wasted your money!

Well that would be a subjective opinion, DNF is objectively terrible. The game can be had from Greenmangaming for $36 at the moment. I doubt you'll see it cheaper than that during the Steam sale. Gearbox is just trying to do a cash grab as fast as they can before more terrible reviews come out.

Hell they've already cut enough content from the game for 3 DLC releases.

As many who have already played the game (and those who dont but read in forums and blogs), Gearbox stripped many things that made Duke Nukem so great like the arsenal of weapons at your disposal, they removed health packs and introduced regenerative health, no keycards, linear gameplay and for many the graphics are awful.

Now, we know that mods can do wonders to a game and even make better the graphics (Stalker and Crysis for example). Do you think, when modders can finally find tools gave to them by Gearbox or made by themselves, can fix what Gearbox ruined for many of us old gamers who wanted a DNF to be like old Duke Nukem games?

Miroku32

How Broussard killed Duke.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

Yeah, it's called informed consumers. 8)

Just trying to help this dude not waste his money. I hate seeing people get shafted.

Remmib

Wait and see if you get it for sale during the Steam Sale... I am going to do that...

Secondly it might not be wasting his money... He may love the game... There may be a game in your collection that he can't stand, and would feel that you wasted your money!

Well that would be a subjective opinion, DNF is objectively terrible. The game can be had from Greenmangaming for $36 at the moment. I doubt you'll see it cheaper than that during the Steam sale. Gearbox is just trying to do a cash grab as fast as they can before more terrible reviews come out.

Hell they've already cut enough content from the game for 3 DLC releases.

Secondly thats only 27% (if the game is as bad as you say, then I CAN expect it to be on Steam Sale for around 33%off easily)

Anyway good gaming.

Objectively.. Funny... I see this will just turn into my opinion is right routine.

Secondly thats only 27% (if the game is as bad as you say, then I CAN expect it to be on Steam Sale for around 33%off easily)

Anyway good gaming.

Lach0121

Yes objectively, the fact that my opinion is right as well is just icing on the cake.

DNF is absolutely terrible:
- A to B linear gameplay.
- Slow running
- Only 2 weapons
- Regen health
- Awful level design
- No secrets to find
- No reason to explore the level
- Terrible floaty mouse feel
- Extremely scripted events
- Unskippable cutscenes
- No color
- No music
- No mighty boot kick
- Clunky vehicle sections
- Too many turret sections
- Checkpoint save system
- Bad graphics (graphics are the least of the worries, but figured I'd add it to the list)

This is absolutely OPPOSITE of gaming in the 90's.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

Objectively.. Funny... I see this will just turn into my opinion is right routine.

Secondly thats only 27% (if the game is as bad as you say, then I CAN expect it to be on Steam Sale for around 33%off easily)

Anyway good gaming.

Remmib

Yes objectively, the fact that my opinion is right as well is just icing on the cake.

DNF is absolutely terrible:
- A to B linear gameplay.
- Slow running
- Only 2 weapons
- Regen health
- Awful level design
- No secrets to find
- No reason to explore the level
- Terrible floaty mouse feel
- Extremely scripted events
- Unskippable cutscenes
- No color
- No music
- No mighty boot kick
- Clunky vehicle sections
- Too many turret sections
- Checkpoint save system
- Bad graphics (graphics are the least of the worries, but figured I'd add it to the list)

This is absolutely OPPOSITE of gaming in the 90's.

IF it is truly that bad, then yea it is bad... SUBJECTIVELY...

that is not objective, These are all based on the bias of what would entertain YOU (what you consider good or bad)! Someone else could be thoroughly entertained by this... THAT IS THE FACT HERE! STOP CONFUSING THAT!

Now if this stuff is true, no music, that linear, etc then yeah it is not a good game in my opinion either, Its why I do not preorder anything or buy anything day one!

While I do not disagree with you about how the game is ( I have not played it, and if it is how you say, that would be what I consider to be not good) however, the only way your objectively looking at it, is Objectively from your own point of view! And determining it based off your own Entertainment Values..

Yes objectively, the fact that my opinion is right as well is just icing on the cake.Remmib

Touting how "right" you are is not being objective. Regardless, many of the things you list as negative are opinion based, or easily disregarded when the game is actually played. Also, how about you list some positives.

Now that is being Objective.

"Gearbox still needs to make a profit from their games so they include some modern mechanics in order to appeal to a wider audiences but the core elements of the 90s like the simplistic running and gunning, the lack of a fleshed out character or story and the action oriented game play are all intact." (quote)

Health packs and secrets were core elements from the 90s FPS games. The campaign felt like the CoD Black Ops campaign with slightly less story, and that's a new game. I think what you are claiming are features of old, are actually newer features in FPS games. The problem with Duke Nukem Forever is not that it is too old school, the problem is that it is too new school.

"Yeah, time changes. I doubt I will see those old mechanics in any of today FPS games nor the future ones. And I always thought it was Gearbox who did those changes, not 3DRealms." (quote)

I can promise you that Serious Sam 3 will be very old school. It will have a better level design and tons of secrets to find. It will have powerups, health packs, and armor. If the next Half Life game or episode only let you hold two weapons, I would be shocked.

I'm not a fan of using mods. I try to enjoy a game in its vanilla form as much as possible. The only mod I ever bothered to use (because it was so great) was Stalker complete mod 2009. Although I feel mods are extremely important to the PC community and the good ones do make games incredibly better.

According to recent complaints, I smell a texture mod coming and other variants that improve the graphics. Possibly a mod that allows you to equip more than two weapons, which has been the bulk of heavy complaints.

Eh, I'll enjoy DNF. I happen to like the demo a lot. It was good ole' fun.

I can promise you that Serious Sam 3 will be very old school. It will have a better level design and tons of secrets to find. It will have powerups, health packs, and armor. If the next Half Life game or episode only let you hold two weapons, I would be shocked.

Falconoffury

No, a game that was in development for 15 years and it ends up sucking will stay bad.

i only played the demo but the graphics arent that bad... really, i thought i was picky about graphics when i look fro them, but only the character models were a little out of whack.

Also, i never played a duke game, but its not as run and gun as i thought. hell, call of duty 4 was more run and gun. I played on the easiest setting and duke dies after only a couple shots. its also not easy to rapid fire because there is a lot of recoil. Is the demo harder than the actual game? i mean, i understand it being harder on normal or hard, but on easy where the description says "never played fps before" (though i have) it was so easy to die.

I want to pick up duke as a game to play while having fun and not worry about dieing... but it sure is so easy to die XP. not a bad demo though very short. its sense of humor had me chuckling a little bit to myself.

I am definitely looking forward to the mods.

And TC it wasn't Gearbox's decision to include only two weapons. Randy Pitchford himself stated it in an interview that it wasn't their decision. What you are playinng is essentially a 3D Realms game. What Gearbox essentially did was polish the game and fixed the bugs and got more developers working on it to port it to the Xbox 360 and PS3. So, you shouldn't blame Gearbox.

I am looking forward to what Gearbox can do by building Duke from the ground up with a new engine that will not take freaking 14 years to make.

I don't know if mods can save Duke, but I think Serious Sam can save the genre if all else fails.

wtf kind of vote is "COD forever"?

I don't know if mods can save Duke, but I think Serious Sam can save the genre if all else fails.

Falconoffury