Cannot boot normally into the OS anymore. How can I fix this?

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#1 codezer0
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So anyway, after the whole trial with how Antivir killed my PC before and getting that resolved, I thought everything was finally overwith and my computer would be fine.

Last night I shut down the machine for the night... I come back up this morning, and it won't finish booting. It gets stuck at the windows loading screen.

I tried restarting and hitting 'last known good', and that didn't work.

I tried going into safe mode, and using system restore with three different restore points set in the log, and that doesn't work either.

Only time i can finish booting the thing is straight to safe mode.

The sad irony is that my new machine isn't even overclocked at all.

So what the **** is wrong here and what do I have to do to make it work again, short of wiping all my data again? :cry:

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#2 GamingMonkeyPC
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When you went into safe mode, did you try uninstalling the anti-virus software from your system?
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#3 codezer0
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The last time, I had to basically wipe the hard drives completely. I didn't have anything left after that was done.

This is a completely fresh install. There is no Antivir on the system. 

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#4 RayvinAzn
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Sort of a stab in the dark, but is it possible that your hard drive got corrupted? I remember that the early versions of the EVGA 680i boards were corrupting SATA drives, and while I'm sure you've updated your BIOS after those problems were addressed, is it possible that your hard drive has some sort of physical problem? Hell, it could be a physical problem unrelated to the EVGA 680i board.

Then again, you can boot in Safe mode, so that doesn't seem too likely either... 

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#5 codezer0
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But I just low-level formatted these things not even a week ago so that I could install again. :cry: And it is running the P27 bios, so the issue should have been addressed already. :cry:
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#6 RayvinAzn
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But I just low-level formatted these things not even a week ago so that I could install again. :cry: And it is running the P27 bios, so the issue should have been addressed already. :cry:codezer0

It's the only thing that seems somewhat linked to your problem that I can think of though. I agree that if your hard drives were corrupted by an earlier BIOS version that the problems should have started then, but outright hard drive failure does happen sometimes. Have you tried doing a hard drive analysis in safe mode to see if everything is hunkey-dorey with it? 

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#7 codezer0
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How would I do that, then?
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#8 RayvinAzn
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How would I do that, then?codezer0

I dunno, I was sort of hoping you knew - I'm mostly a hardware guy, software gives me the willies.

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#9 DirkVDV01
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How would I do that, then?codezer0
I'd suggest trying to find and download the HD analysis software for your particular HDD from the manufacturers website. Keep in mind that most of these programs cause data loss when they analyse your HDD, so make sure you have a backup first before trying that. It won't always be the case, but most I used give a big warning before you can even use the software.
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#10 codezer0
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I tried downloading and running Seatools on this machine before. Problem is, it won't work. When I get to the point where I'm supposed to press "Y" to agree to the EULA and continue using the application, it won't respond to the keyboard, whether it's plugged into the PS/2 ports on the system or not.

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#11 DirkVDV01
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I tried downloading and running Seatools on this machine before. Problem is, it won't work. When I get to the point where I'm supposed to press "Y" to agree to the EULA and continue using the application, it won't respond to the keyboard, whether it's plugged into the PS/2 ports on the system or not.

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odd... did you try unplugging it and putting it back in?
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#12 codezer0
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odd... did you try unplugging it and putting it back in?DirkVDV01
Yes, and it wouldn't **** respond.

A friend of mine pointed me over to this thing called an Ultimate Boot CD, and strangely enough the version of SeaTools provided on it is actually working, so far...

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#13 codezer0
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Well, the thing finished running its hard drive scans (a full SEVEN HOURS WORTH!) and then overnight had it run memtest 86+, and both came out clean.

So why the hell can't I boot to Windows for crying out loud? :cry:

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#14 RayvinAzn
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I was stretched thin on ideas before, now I'm completely clueless - try swapping the hard drive to your old rig and seeing if the problem persists perhaps? Ideas like that mean I'm really reaching - sorry.
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#16 RayvinAzn
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Oh, I also assume you've tried different SATA ports.
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#17 codezer0
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Oh, I also assume you've tried different SATA ports.RayvinAzn
At first I didn't, but then I did after you suggested that.

That won't work either.

I ran through seatools and it came up clean... I ran through memtest overnight and that came up clean. So what the hell is wrong? I'm sick of having to reformat this **** all the goddamn time.

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#18 GamingMonkeyPC
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*Shrugs*

I have to say man, you really have no luck in getting a lot of things to work your way.

Well as for another suggestion, take out the hard drive from your system and try doing a virus scan on another system (I recommend using Kapersky). I recently did this for one of my customers and he had the exact same problem as you, and a virus scan seemed to correct it.

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Did you try using repair on the windows disk? I have only used it once and that was with Vista but it fixed a corrupted boot sector. (Happened cause I was installing XP to dual boot and walked away without changing the boot order).
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#20 codezer0
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Did you try using repair on the windows disk? I have only used it once and that was with Vista but it fixed a corrupted boot sector. (Happened cause I was installing XP to dual boot and walked away without changing the boot order).juggernaut8419
What repair option? Every time I choose that option when I boot from the Windows XP disc, all it brings me is to an utterly useless command line and no clue what the hell to enter to make it make windows working again. 
*Shrugs*

I have to say man, you really have no luck in getting a lot of things to work your way.

Well as for another suggestion, take out the hard drive from your system and try doing a virus scan on another system (I recommend using Kapersky). I recently did this for one of my customers and he had the exact same problem as you, and a virus scan seemed to correct it.GamingMonkeyPC

I can't. I'm using the 680i's onboard RAID with the two seagates in the new machine. My old machine only has a Silicon Image 3114 controller onboard, so I doubt the oldie's sata controller would recognize the RAID from the 'new' machine. :(

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#21 juggernaut8419
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[QUOTE="juggernaut8419"]Did you try using repair on the windows disk? I have only used it once and that was with Vista but it fixed a corrupted boot sector. (Happened cause I was installing XP to dual boot and walked away without changing the boot order).codezer0
What repair option? Every time I choose that option when I boot from the Windows XP disc, all it brings me is to an utterly useless command line and no clue what the hell to enter to make it make windows working again.

Sorry, but I am not familiar with Windows command line tools to repair its installation. If it was a linux distro it would be a different story.  You might want to try and search for some documentation on it.

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#22 DirkVDV01
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I can understand that you are frustrated, but this is not the place to release your anger.
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#23 codezer0
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As much money as this thing cost me, I'm more offended by you deleting my post than I am by how this machine is screwing with my patience. Opened it up today, noticed that the motherboard power cord was not all the way in. Reseated the cables inside, rebooted, straight to a BSOD. Decide to reformat and install again, and now setup itself freezes during the " installing devices " phase. I've just about had it now. Everything SHOULD be working, as I haven't even overclocked the machine or changed the hardware. And now, I'm having to resort to typing this message on the Wii browser. I should be allowed to be as angry as I am right now, dammit.
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#24 codezer0
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Well now this morning I decided to take out the Seagates that were in it already, and swap in one of the Samsung hard drives that my oldie was using.

Again, Windows XP setup just freezes at the installing devices phase.

I don't know what else to do anymore. :(
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#25 luamhtrad
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Dude, you should get a DELL. :lol:
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#26 codezer0
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Does anyone have a VALID suggestion for helping to get this thing back in order?
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#27 GamingMonkeyPC
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Reset to default factory settings in BIOS? 

Can you go into BIOS and check the temperatures?

Did you lock the memory timings as specified on its specs, including voltage? Perhaps try one memory stick instead of two?

Do more diagnoses... if all fails, disassemble and re-assemble... :(

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#28 codezer0
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I'm running bone stock as it is. Pretty much at factory defaults other than to adjust memory timings to what the RAM is rated for (and the amount of voltage it'd need).

As I said, memtest86+ was run overnight for more than 12 passes and came up green.

Not saying I won't try again, I'm just saying that I'm just not sure how it would help if the diagnostics that would have alerted to something wrong there haven't said any errors happened there. 

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#29 blazethe1
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maybe flash bios? *shrug*
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#30 battledroid978
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Boot with only the basics.  One hard drive, one RAM stick, one graphics card, etc.  Do not use any RAID controllers.  Plug one hard drive into the motherboard.  Basically, you want to see if avoiding a RAID setup will solve your problem.
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#31 codezer0
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Boot with only the basics. One hard drive, one RAM stick, one graphics card, etc. Do not use any RAID controllers. Plug one hard drive into the motherboard. Basically, you want to see if avoiding a RAID setup will solve your problem.battledroid978
As I said recently, I already tried with one hard drive, and it still just locks up at the installing devices phase. A separate hard drive, even.
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#32 battledroid978
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You've narrowed it down to either the motherboard or the Windows installation CD.

Any chance you loaded the floppy disk with the RAID drivers during the installation?  I'm not too sure if it's required or not.  Somebody over here mentioned it.

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#33 codezer0
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The Windows disc itself that I've been using came from Microsoft themselves. Not sure how else I'd be able to really check to ensure that its data integrity is okay, but it is a fairly new disk, all things considered.

Kinda need to use the RAID drivers floppy disk in order to load, since it also has the driver for the nvatabus, and without them, Windows XP setup won't see the hard drives for installation.Â