CoD: Modern Warefare 2

fair price for me i work...i may have bills to pay also but...an extra £10 for me more of an increase than u guys in the states, does not bother me for a game i know that i will play 60+ hours is fine with me.

bob_geldof221

[QUOTE="-clippa-"]and the multiplayer is broken :SEnosh88

so you were a closed beta tester?

Who said IW.Net even got a beta ;).

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

biggest_loser

People are upset about it because of a few articles and interviews done about IW and their response to it.

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx?PageIndex=5

you tell me how we can read that and not get upset? The article is extremely biased (and borderline offensive..."nerds") and the IW representative is the one guilty of speculation, not us.

Ive played games online, on dedicated server, for over a decade now and I have A.) never had to pay to play on a server, B.) never had to tolerate a hacker, and C.) enjoyed tons of custom, community-driven modifcations, maps, and more.

Plus, lets not forget...if it aint broke, dont fix it. The only reason IW is doing this is not to improve the situation for gamers, its because they have an agenda and they want every single player under their control as far as additional content is concerned.

And yes, I do make some assumptions...I assume IW will charge for map packs. I assume IW will start something with microtransactions. I assume the 60 dollar cost is only the first in a long list of price gougings.

Time will prove me right

Oh c'mon big fella - I've read on OT that you can't get offended by names :P Most of the people who are sitting in their basements saying "We're gonna that IW courtesy of SUPER FRIENDS and the calculus" probably are nerds. Maybe not anyone on this site but computer wizards and super geeks - they do exist!! Where is he quoted in using that term though? It still says you can have clans you just can't customise as much. Some are making it out to sound as though clans are gone forever. We'll see if time will prove you right. You're attacking this more as a hardcore player than a casual person who might not know what a dedicated server is remember. You can be upset and not buy the game - but going around swearing and posting inappropriate things is a no-go. Thats not how you negotiate biggest_loser

i hope youre not refering to me because I did not swear once and post innappropriate things.

Also, here are some quotes from the article, pointing out the general tone and false assumptions:

"Predictably, nerds across world took to the Internet with a wailing and a gnashing of teeth..."

I dont mind being called a nerd to my face, but when you insult my people, my community, like that its definately insulting.

"...this may shock some gamers with advanced persecution complexes -- this move was not made to tweak the noses of the PC community. Infinity Ward heads Jason West and Vince Zampella explain the decision..."

Setting the tone for the article essentially

"We're just prioritizing the player experience above the modders and the tuners," says West. He points toward the mounting feedback IW has received from PC fans of Modern Warfare who couldn't find a decent server to play on between all of the cheaters, the insular communities, and huge skill level disparities that the original game's community fractured into. "We thought maybe it would be cool if the fans could play the game," he laughs.

Not once, in all the years CoD 4 has been published, and sicne all the other CoD games since that time, have I heard of one PC gamer complaining about the way things are concerning the online experience. And yet this guy somehow pulls out these so-called concerns like theyre well known. Like I said, if it aint broke, dont fix it

West takes a shot at the motives behind some of the outrage, noting that there's money to made by selling dedicated servers and adspace on them: "It's a little dubious. Some of the people complaining are complaining with their pocketbook."

Yes, when I log on, servers ask for money. ITS CALLED DONATIONS! They rely on the good will of people to provide them with funds so they can pay a server to host games. Its called community, and its a beautiful thing. If someone makes a little money on the side by hosting a successful, popular server then by all means good for them. Though somehow I dont think they do, as I have never paid a cent myself, nor have I ever needed to

Again and again during our conversation, West and Zampella hammer the point that hardcore PC players lose very little to this change relative to the returns that casual to moderate fans will see.

Oh thats a great justification. IW too lazy to make it work for everyone, so instead theyre going to ruin it for "the hardcore" players (which is likely a larger percentage than he cares to admit...over 100k by this count according to the petition) so they can get the casuals in on it. Guess what? Casuals play xbox! If they game on the PC, they know how it works by now, so leave it alone. There is nothing "hardcore" about browsing servers, testing them out, and finding a few you like.

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx?PageIndex=5

I saw the nerds comment in the article but thats the article calling people nerds, not him being quoted. C'mon man. Your people? Its the Internet, not your village tribe. If they had insulted Crazy Horse and Chief Running Bear then I would go to war with you brother!! But lets not get carried away and take it too seriously. And no I was not referring to you in posting inappropriate stuff. I was talking about some of the wackos who attacked the official forums etc with that garbage. Its just a game - you might enjoy playing them - but its not the be all and end all. There are things of far greater concern in our society today. biggest_loser

Sorry, but I love the arts, and Ive been gaming for two decades now. Everything was great until a few years ago now, and PC gaming is being taken down piece by piece.

And yes, I think of PC gamers as a community, hence the dramatic "my people" statement.I dont hold much dear to my heart, just the simple pleasures: a nice meal, a great beer, the company of friends and family...and PC gaming.

Its not a port - its a multiplatform game and this is another attempt to reach out for the casual market. As long as it doesn't lag I don't care. I'm not going to use the mods anyway. I will still be buying this - people have forgotten amongst this hysteria about the SP portion, which will be amazing I can assure you.

I would also like to add that I'm a bit disgusted by the way people are carrying on over this. Its a video game. And yet we've got yahoos calling people from IW D-bag this and that.

This is mainly over pure assumptions that the map packs will cost money. It hasn't even been confirmed yet.

People have been out to get this game since it was announced.

biggest_loser

No this is for the Hardcore market.

A game that is for the Casual market would be a game like, well, most mini-game collections on the Wii.

I saw the nerds comment in the article but thats the article calling people nerds, not him being quoted. C'mon man. Your people? Its the Internet, not your village tribe. If they had insulted Crazy Horse and Chief Running Bear then I would go to war with you brother!! But lets not get carried away and take it too seriously. And no I was not referring to you in posting inappropriate stuff. I was talking about some of the wackos who attacked the official forums etc with that garbage. Its just a game - you might enjoy playing them - but its not the be all and end all. There are things of far greater concern in our society today. biggest_loser

I don't really understand when you say its something that has to be payed for but they dont have to buy it.

Unless you mean for people who really wanted to pay for it...

Nothing wrong with complaining but calling the developers swear words is not the way to deal with problems. But this is a much bigger problem with the anonymity of the Internet.

biggest_loser

If it is free, I don't see a reason to complain, but it is not, and when people spend money on something, they expect them to have standard features and to be priced fairly.

And I don't see why you get so worked up over people cursing at IW, cursing is pretty normal even in real life.

Where does it say the SP is 5 hours?October_Tide

I've seen it mentioned in lots of threads here - http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=24 I think one of the guys who had an xbox360 leaked copy said the single player campaign lasted 4 and a half hours playing at a normal pace. So more or less the same as cod4, the bare minimum. To be fair though, nowadays cod is all about the multiplayer, isn't that right IW? :roll:

[QUOTE="October_Tide"]Where does it say the SP is 5 hours?-clippa-

I've seen it mentioned in lots of threads here - http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=24 I think one of the guys who had an xbox360 leaked copy said the single player campaign lasted 4 and a half hours playing at a normal pace. So more or less the same as cod4, the bare minimum. To be fair though, nowadays cod is all about the multiplayer, isn't that right IW? :roll:

thats pretty in line with all the CoD games after CoD 2. Also, this is Modern Warfare 2...Modern Warfare 1 was notorious for its short singleplayer game, and IW doesnt seem to be in the business of improving things, so why should we expect a significantly longer game?

If anything, it will be shorter because IW is taking things away from this game:

Goodbye good value (60+ dollars is just rediculous)
Goodbye dedicated servers
Goodbye modifications
Goodbye community-made maps

as for "multiplayer only" I have no problem with games marketed specifically as mp only. Battlefield series, Team Fortress 2, Counterstrike...those are some great games. However, you cannot make a game, market the singleplayer experience, and then be like "Oh, well, the reason the singleplayer is so lackluster is because we wanted to focus on the multiplayer"

What!? You need to say that, otherwise you are deceiving people in a sense.

Oh, of course, I didn't expect anything more than 5 hours, what I DID expect was a multiplayer mode that was as good as, if not better than cod4. Right now, the only reason to buy the game is the single player campaign, they're expecting us to pay 35 quid for a game that lasts 5 hours :o

"As an older adult I have been PC gaming for a long long time. The difference is control. We control our server, keep it clean of cheats and language and make it an enjoyable place to play. We use custom maps as the stock maps get old very quickly. As console players will play the game until they are bored and the next game comes out, Pc players play the game for literally years. We have been quite loyal buying COD after COD for PC. If IW felt so stongly about the change then they should have announced this long ago. They did not, so rightly so people feel they have been mistreated. I have nothing against console players. Whatever makes you happy thats fine. PC gaming is my preference and hundreds of thousands of folks around the world agree. I have played from the original COD and now it may be time to move on. This is an opening for EA as well as other sharp programers who value PC gamers to come in and swoop down and take us away to a new game. COD will then go the way of delta force and Medal of honor... old games not played anymore. IW screwed up and they can stick to their guns I am sure. So good luck IW! As a large community leaves the loyality to your game and you have no one to blame but yourself. We will play on and on our dedicated servers where gaming can be clean and fun. Bye Bye IW... good luck on .... youre gonna need it.."

Sums it up.

"As an older adult I have been PC gaming for a long long time. The difference is control. We control our server, keep it clean of cheats and language and make it an enjoyable place to play. We use custom maps as the stock maps get old very quickly. As console players will play the game until they are bored and the next game comes out, Pc players play the game for literally years. We have been quite loyal buying COD after COD for PC. If IW felt so stongly about the change then they should have announced this long ago. They did not, so rightly so people feel they have been mistreated. I have nothing against console players. Whatever makes you happy thats fine. PC gaming is my preference and hundreds of thousands of folks around the world agree. I have played from the original COD and now it may be time to move on. This is an opening for EA as well as other sharp programers who value PC gamers to come in and swoop down and take us away to a new game. COD will then go the way of delta force and Medal of honor... old games not played anymore. IW screwed up and they can stick to their guns I am sure. So good luck IW! As a large community leaves the loyality to your game and you have no one to blame but yourself. We will play on and on our dedicated servers where gaming can be clean and fun. Bye Bye IW... good luck on .... youre gonna need it.."

Sums it up.

04dcarraher

haha yea, I loved that comment.

Also, you know you messed up when your lost customersask Electronic Arts to come to your rescue rofl.

Without wanting to sound too dramatic, I think that this could change the future of pc gaming for the worse if enough people blindly accept it, and sadly, on a lot of forums, I'm getting the impression that enough people are indeed going to blindly accept it. I'm willing to at least try the p2p system, if IW say that mw2 is different to every other p2p game in that it actually works then who am I to argue? A multiplayer demo prior to release would be a very good idea.
We've got a pretty good idea of how badly iw.net is going to perform but the fact remains that we just won't know for sure until people start playing it.
The lack of official response from anyone at IW to the pc community (I don't mean some ill-informed guff spouted by a pr man on a blog or some social networking site, I mean a proper, released to the media, posted on the IW forums, official response) has been downright appalling. They definatly need some lessons in consumer relations.
The IW cod multiplayer is always excellent, the whole dedicated server outcry is testimant to how highly they're regarded by pc fans, any other game and we would have probably been "meh, move on to the next one".

We need info. We need IW to sell this to us. Christ, don't they hire that Bowling cretin to do exactly that?

This just doesn't seem like a control/money issue anymore, it seems like they're purposefully kicking us in the teeth for a laugh :D

Im going to wait until there is a price drop down to atleast 50 or 40 before i will buy the game.Kurushio

Didn't cod4 take like a year to drop in price?

[QUOTE="Kurushio"]Im going to wait until there is a price drop down to atleast 50 or 40 before i will buy the game.October_Tide

Didn't cod4 take like a year to drop in price?

you know a game is going to be a grrrrrrreat sukcess when every single thread about it is at least 3 pages long.

you know a game is going to be a grrrrrrreat sukcess when every single thread about it is at least 3 pages long.

Jinroh_basic

[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

you know a game is going to be a grrrrrrreat sukcess when every single thread about it is at least 3 pages long.

jimmyjammer69

it may suck major robodik, but if T2 is not a (financial) success i don't know what is.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

you know a game is going to be a grrrrrrreat sukcess when every single thread about it is at least 3 pages long.

Jinroh_basic

it may suck major robodik, but if T2 is not a (financial) success i don't know what is.

[QUOTE="Jinroh_basic"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I remember all the threads on Transformers 2; I guess that rule doesn't apply to films, huh? :Pjimmyjammer69

it may suck major robodik, but if T2 is not a (financial) success i don't know what is.