Competitive games that require skill, pure skill!

Now I was arguing last time with a friend. Apparently none of the games I've played in my whole lifetime will compare to the challenges that Fight Night Round 4 provides. I was in disagreement. I'd have to wonder wheter Fatal1ty considers this game worthy of e-sport material. But maybe I need to view this from a broader perspective.

Is Fight Night Round 4 really the ultimate benchmark of measuring an individuals skill to explain it as best as possible, the way my friend putted it. What do you guys think? Fight Night Round 4, out of all the availlable games? Really?

why don't you play it and decide yourself?

FNR4? I have not played that game, but no. Just no. Your friend is a noob. Introduce him to Starcraft, Quake 3, Street Fighter, or Counter Strike. Those are the only games I consider competitive on a professional level. There is no "one game" to measure individuals skill, since there are so many genres that play very differently.

FNR4? I have not played that game, but no. Just no. Your friend is a noob. Introduce him to Starcraft, Quake 3, Street Fighter, or Counter Strike. Those are the only games I consider competitive on a professional level. There is no "one game" to measure individuals skill, since there are so many genres that play very differently.

Rob_101

.......how would you know he's a noob if you have never played that game?

Company of heroes is a game that requires just about pure skill if you're going to be the best (legitimately without cheating of course T_T)

World of Warcraft is the ultimate benchmark of skill.Ninja_Dog

Counter Strike, Quake 3, Unreal Tounry 2k4, Starcraft, Warcraft 3, Company of Heroes... a small list of the true competitive games. Starcraft and Quake 3 easily takeing the top spots for games that require pure skill.

[QUOTE="Rob_101"]

FNR4? I have not played that game, but no. Just no. Your friend is a noob. Introduce him to Starcraft, Quake 3, Street Fighter, or Counter Strike. Those are the only games I consider competitive on a professional level. There is no "one game" to measure individuals skill, since there are so many genres that play very differently.

Jinroh_basic

.......how would you know he's a noob if you have never played that game?

I played the demo. I called him a noob cause his gaming career obviously started with an Xbox 360 if he thinks FNR4 is the ultimate test of skill in gaming. I didn't mean he is a noob at FNR4 but a newbie to competitive gaming.

[QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]World of Warcraft is the ultimate benchmark of skill.SaintJimmmy

The true test of skill is being able to beat/survive the enemy even when the playing field isn't level. That's why I enjoy games like Battlefield where you have to work with a squad to deal with massive amounts of grenade spam and those dirty, dirty jets.

I'd also suggest Company of Heroes.

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[QUOTE="Rob_101"]

FNR4? I have not played that game, but no. Just no. Your friend is a noob. Introduce him to Starcraft, Quake 3, Street Fighter, or Counter Strike. Those are the only games I consider competitive on a professional level. There is no "one game" to measure individuals skill, since there are so many genres that play very differently.

Rob_101

.......how would you know he's a noob if you have never played that game?

I played the demo. I called him a noob cause his gaming career obviously started with an Xbox 360 if he thinks FNR4 is the ultimate test of skill in gaming. I didn't mean he is a noob at FNR4 but a newbie to competitive gaming.

even you've said it yourself.... different genre requires different skills and understanding. there might be aspects of a certain game, of any genre on any platform, which players of other games do not master. to a sports gamer, Starcraft can be similarly summed up as build and rush, and CS point and shoot. your friend might not be right, but in this context he's definitely not a noob.

Tried Quake Live?

I always quite liked competetive Smash Brothers, especially the original.

[QUOTE="Rob_101"]

FNR4? I have not played that game, but no. Just no. Your friend is a noob. Introduce him to Starcraft, Quake 3, Street Fighter, or Counter Strike. Those are the only games I consider competitive on a professional level. There is no "one game" to measure individuals skill, since there are so many genres that play very differently.

Jinroh_basic

.......how would you know he's a noob if you have never played that game?

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[QUOTE="Rob_101"]

I played the demo. I called him a noob cause his gaming career obviously started with an Xbox 360 if he thinks FNR4 is the ultimate test of skill in gaming. I didn't mean he is a noob at FNR4 but a newbie to competitive gaming.

Dr_Brocoli

even you've said it yourself.... different genre requires different skills and understanding. there might be aspects of a certain game, of any genre on any platform, which players of other games do not master. to a sports gamer, Starcraft can be similarly summed up as build and rush, and CS point and shoot. your friend might not be right, but in this context he's definitely not a noob.

sure. whatever you say.

[QUOTE="SaintJimmmy"][QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]World of Warcraft is the ultimate benchmark of skill.Swiftstrike5

The true test of skill is being able to beat/survive the enemy even when the playing field isn't level. That's why I enjoy games like Battlefield where you have to work with a squad to deal with massive amounts of grenade spam and those dirty, dirty jets.

I'd also suggest Company of Heroes.

oh i love playing BF2 in squads with friends... not much matches the satisfaction of playing entirely on foot and kicking the crap out of a team who rarely leave the protection of their tanks... for that reason i actually prefer the project reality mod, i find its much much easier to find people who really want to work together in that game with voice chat and kind ofa chain of command.

as for company of heroes, while i absolutely ADORE that game, i think a better RTS to measure skill by would be either starcraft or warcraft 3, simply due to the amount of unit and base management that needs to go into those games, whereas with CoH, the basebuilding isnt particularly deep and there isnt as much of a variety of units to mix up, but you're right, it still does require a lot of skill to play well.

when it comes to shooters its probably a case of quake 3 or the unreal games simply because that is all twitch skills and the guns are pinpoint accurate, not like CSS where noobs can often spray and luck-out with a headshot because the weapons have a cone of fire which is somewhat unpredictable.

i dont really know about fighting and sports games because i've never played them, but i cant imagine them being as complex and as challenging as any of the games mentioned above, but hey, like i said, i dont really know much on that matter...

[QUOTE="Rob_101"]

I played the demo. I called him a noob cause his gaming career obviously started with an Xbox 360 if he thinks FNR4 is the ultimate test of skill in gaming. I didn't mean he is a noob at FNR4 but a newbie to competitive gaming.

even you've said it yourself.... different genre requires different skills and understanding. there might be aspects of a certain game, of any genre on any platform, which players of other games do not master. to a sports gamer, Starcraft can be similarly summed up as build and rush, and CS point and shoot. your friend might not be right, but in this context he's definitely not a noob.

Honestly? I would go with any streetfighter, king of fighter and even tekken before fight night round 4.

It is a very good game, its not that, but it is too random...

sadly that applys to CoH aswell, since there is a chance your tank survives an anti tank shell, this makes it fit for a purely skillbased game, since the player is not in control of said chance)

SC is a good choice, and CS (I would go with 1.6 for competetive skill based, altho I prefer CS:S) DoD is pretty good too.

Then there are the arena shooters, most of them are good for skill based fighting, mostly because it all depends on skill of the player, aim, knowlage of map, and movement. UT2k4, Q3 and so on.

if a game is based on pure skill, any random things can not exist, it undermines the skill part.

[QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]World of Warcraft is the ultimate benchmark of skill.SaintJimmmy

.... WOW bashing comes from everywhere and you have no idea what your talking about.

Oh and WOW to the guy refering to COH above me as taking less skill than War Craft and Starcraft due to a lack of base building. Are you guys seriouse? How about DOW then thats got base building and points to capture? How about we look at the game respectively to how they play, not what they are chooosing to miss out lol.

Counterstrike Source.

Your friend doesnt know what hes talking about. Fight Night is casual garbage i mo and doesnt take ANY skill what so ever to play. Its just punch punch punch, thats it. At least in the UFC game you can do wrestling, judo, submissions, kicks and punches.

IMO Counterstrike Source takes the most skill.

Honestly? I would go with any streetfighter, king of fighter and even tekken before fight night round 4.

It is a very good game, its not that, but it is too random...

sadly that applys to CoH aswell, since there is a chance your tank survives an anti tank shell, this makes it fit for a purely skillbased game, since the player is not in control of said chance)

SC is a good choice, and CS (I would go with 1.6 for competetive skill based, altho I prefer CS:S) DoD is pretty good too.

Then there are the arena shooters, most of them are good for skill based fighting, mostly because it all depends on skill of the player, aim, knowlage of map, and movement. UT2k4, Q3 and so on.

if a game is based on pure skill, any random things can not exist, it undermines the skill part.

Maddie_Larkin

.... WOW bashing comes from everywhere and you have no idea what your talking about. Oh and WOW to the guy refering to COH above me as taking less skill than War Craft and Starcraft due to a lack of base building. Are you guys seriouse? How about DOW then thats got base building and points to capture? How about we look at the game respectively to how they play, not what they are chooosing to miss out lol.

[QUOTE="SaintJimmmy"][QUOTE="Ninja_Dog"]World of Warcraft is the ultimate benchmark of skill.Swiftstrike5

The true test of skill is being able to beat/survive the enemy even when the playing field isn't level. That's why I enjoy games like Battlefield where you have to work with a squad to deal with massive amounts of grenade spam and those dirty, dirty jets.

I'd also suggest Company of Heroes.

Guild Wars (PvP)

This is SW material. Fight Night Round 4 isn't even a PC game.