Considering purchasing a mac in the future, how will gaming go?

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#1 Adam_the_Nerd
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I really love the intuitive interface of Mac OS X. I am tired of boring ol' XP and Vista in no way interests me. I want to get a Mac because it will satisfy my love for all things shiny/pretty/distracting and they can be quite productive for the work that me and my family do.

The only reason I would want a new XP-based PC over a Mac is gaming purposes. My current PC is 6 years old and I want to be able to game and work beyond 1GHZ. If I was to buy a Mac and Bootcamp it with XP, would the Mac's performance be hindered in anyway? gaming or otherwise? Is a Mac running Xp with Bootcamp weaker than a PC that has equivalent system specifications?

Thanks in advance GS community.

PS> I'm not a hardcore gamer after the most lofty specs; I'm happy running games like Crysis on Medium.

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Generally, a mac running windows with equivalent hardware to a PC will run games the same or better. So if you like macs better and use XP, then it will run games fine as long as your mac uses an intel processor.
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It depends what the specs are on the mac. I've neve really heard of a mac having a good graphics card so you might not even be able to run crysis on medium.
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Generally, a mac running windows with equivalent hardware to a PC will run games the same or better. So if you like macs better and use XP, then it will run games fine as long as your mac uses an intel processor.Overclockd
Why would they run better? That doesn't make any sense. To the OP - make sure whatever mac you buy has a good enough video card. Having a weak graphics card will cripple your gaming abilities, no matter how fast the rest of the system is.
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[QUOTE="Overclockd"]Generally, a mac running windows with equivalent hardware to a PC will run games the same or better. So if you like macs better and use XP, then it will run games fine as long as your mac uses an intel processor.theragu40
Why would they run better? That doesn't make any sense. To the OP - make sure whatever mac you buy has a good enough video card. Having a weak graphics card will cripple your gaming abilities, no matter how fast the rest of the system is.

It really depends on the application and the hardware but a mac using boot camp would be exactly the same as an XP machine. The installed mac OS on the machine would act like it wasn't even there if you are running boot camp. The reason I said it might perform better is that mac hardware is put together in a way that everything is unified. Of course, finding a mac with the hardware you want for a good price is near impossible. Proof

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#6 RayvinAzn
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The Apple will work as good as an equivalent PC of the same specs - but do bear in mind that the iMac uses laptop components, not standard desktop components. So it's more comparable to a laptop than a proper desktop PC, unless you're considering a Mac Pro.
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#7 Adam_the_Nerd
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I want to thank everyone for their help. It's been useful to think about. As I said, I'm not power-gamer, but I'm no scrooge either. When I buy a new computer, I buy it with good specs so that it'll last me a good while. The Mac Pro is the one I'm gearing towards, but I may end up going for a high-profile iMac with good upgrades.
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#8 Andrew0987
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sounds like the only reason you want a mac is for the shiny UI. way to waste money.
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Why not buy the cheapest Mac available? What's the difference? The amount of shine on the icons?
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#10 quocthai
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from what I've heard( few months ago so maybe they upgrade their graphic card now) the imac come with a 2600pro or something like and that won't be able to run crysis on mid or even at mid-low at the resolution of imac which is 19x12 for the 24 incher.
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It depends what the specs are on the mac. I've neve really heard of a mac having a good graphics card so you might not even be able to run crysis on medium.Trilvester
The current MacBook Pro notebooks can have a maximum of an 8600M GT with 512MB of vRAM. And the Mac Pro can be upgraded to have an 8800GT inside. No, you can't do SLi or CF on the Mac Pro, but that's not really something you can blame Apple for; blame intel for insisting on a single chipset to support the dual quad-core Xeons and matching them with (relatively) expensive FB-DIMM memory.
Generally, a mac running windows with equivalent hardware to a PC will run games the same or better. So if you like macs better and use XP, then it will run games fine as long as your mac uses an intel processor.Overclockd
XP is good. XP x64 (especially if it has SP2 or newer integrated) and Vista SP1 would be even better because those two include native support for EFI, which is the firmware interface that Apple's intel Macs use. Then at that point, you almost don't need Boot Camp except to partition the hard drive(s). Another pro-tip if you get a Mac... definitely try and stuff as much RAM into the system as possible, but don't buy it factory direct from Apple. The premiums they charge for the priviledge are absurd. Better to get your memory from Newegg or crucial.com; failing those, get your RAM from places selling RAM that is at least Apple certified. Apple-certified RAM will easily work on any other system that can physically accept the memory, but Macs tend to not like el-cheapo sticks. Though with the current Mac Pro, pretty much any FB-DIMMs at the correct speed shouldn't pose a problem. Anyways, at the rate things are going with Vista, I wouldn't be all that surprised if we start to see a big surge of new Mac users, and more importantly, a big enough share in the market to make devs take notice. [ Wishful thinking ] Would be awesome if Apple could resurge to dominance like they had before Microsoft stole the show by releasing Windows to the world at the same time that Jobs was giving this MacWorld keynote speech in 1984. [/ Wishful thinking ]
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I heard gameing on macs are bad.. though they can shine at times but its so much better with a pc.
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I heard gameing on macs are bad.. though they can shine at times but its so much better with a pc.TrooperManaic
Have you actually tried it yourself? Or are you just spouting random stuff that may ultimately be deemed FUD? I myself got to see what gaming on a Mac is about, with a dev that actually gave a damn about doing it right. And this was back when the PowerPC G5 CPU's were brand new. In short The system: - PowerMac G5 dual 1.8GHz CPU's - 1 (or 2?) GB of RAM - 6800GT - 30" Apple display The game: UT 2004. Keep in mind, the game could only output at a max of 1920x1200. But with that said, I had every in game setting as high as it would allow, and the thing still ran at a constant 70fps, even with about 16 bots running around. And this was back when even an overclocked AMD64 with a 6800 Ultra SLI was struggling with the same on 1600x1200. :shock: It's almost a shame that Apple had to go with intel. The PPC architecture was indeed faster, but it was reaching ridiculous levels of heat, and IBM had no way of refining it enough, fast enough to put the chip inside their notebooks like Apple wanted; while intel did.
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When do you consider your pc a mac? When it has the OS on it?or the nifty white cases and monitor? Is it still a mac if its running windows? What about if my custom build PC is running mac OS?! These are the questions that keep me up at night!!! :cry:
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[QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]I heard gameing on macs are bad.. though they can shine at times but its so much better with a pc.codezer0
Have you actually tried it yourself? Or are you just spouting random stuff that may ultimately be deemed FUD? I myself got to see what gaming on a Mac is about, with a dev that actually gave a damn about doing it right. And this was back when the PowerPC G5 CPU's were brand new. In short The system: - PowerMac G5 dual 1.8GHz CPU's - 1 (or 2?) GB of RAM - 6800GT - 30" Apple display The game: UT 2004. Keep in mind, the game could only output at a max of 1920x1200. But with that said, I had every in game setting as high as it would allow, and the thing still ran at a constant 70fps, even with about 16 bots running around. And this was back when even an overclocked AMD64 with a 6800 Ultra SLIwas struggling with the same on 1600x1200. :shock: It's almost a shame that Apple had to go with intel. The PPC architecture was indeed faster, but it was reaching ridiculous levels of heat, and IBM had no way of refining it enough, fast enough to put the chip inside their notebooks like Apple wanted; while intel did.

yes I have indeed tried it and pretty much is why I have a pc today. My friend owns a mac and I wanted to have a computer like his though macs were too expensive for me so I decided to do it as a DIY project. I noticed right away that I get better fps in games and have better flexibility with my pc compared to my friends mac with his 8800GTX.
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When do you consider your pc a mac? When it has the OS on it?or the nifty white cases and monitor? Is it still a mac if its running windows? What about if my custom build PC is running mac OS?! These are the questions that keep me up at night!!! :cry:Trilvester
the way the motherboard is designed and ram support (they want you to buy their ram) though I do not know if any other macs have any name brand mobos.
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yes I have indeed tried it and pretty much is why I have a pc today. My friend owns a mac and I wanted to have a computer like his though macs were too expensive for me so I decided to do it as a DIY project. I noticed right away that I get better fps in games and have better flexibility with my pc compared to my friends mac with his 8800GTX.TrooperManaic

What kind of ridiculous omparison is that?

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comparison in, crysis-cod4-3dmark06-and we also tested how much fps in HL2 compared to my pc I beat him in every test. He gloated at me and I surprisingly beat him in every test and was only trying to show off his money to me...
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comparison in, crysis-cod4-3dmark06-and we also tested how much fps in HL2 compared to my pc I beat him in every test. He gloated at me and I surprisingly beat him in every test and was only trying to show off his money to me... TrooperManaic
OH BTW if your wondering why we even did these tests at all is because he noticed a fps drop in his pc compared to mine, though like I said before his mobo is APPLE brand.
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comparison in, crysis-cod4-3dmark06-and we also tested how much fps in HL2 compared to my pc I beat him in every test. He gloated at me and I surprisingly beat him in every test and was only trying to show off his money to me... TrooperManaic

Without specs, that comparison is worse than useless.

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[QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]comparison in, crysis-cod4-3dmark06-and we also tested how much fps in HL2 compared to my pc I beat him in every test. He gloated at me and I surprisingly beat him in every test and was only trying to show off his money to me... RayvinAzn

Without specs, that comparison is worse than useless.

well sorry then I tried to come up with the best explanation I could though his pc has the same amount of ram as mine, different processor (intel I think though I know its better then mine)
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well sorry then I tried to come up with the best explanation I could though his pc has the same amount of ram as mine, different processor (intel I think though I know its better then mine)TrooperManaic

So how can you call that an accurate comparison, or even a vaguely good benchmark? Were you even playing at the same resolution?

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[QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]well sorry then I tried to come up with the best explanation I could though his pc has the same amount of ram as mine, different processor (intel I think though I know its better then mine)RayvinAzn

So how can you call that an accurate comparison, or even a vaguely good benchmark? Were you even playing at the same resolution?

well I am not that dumb.
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maybe you guys are getting me wrong... I am not saying PC is ULTIMATE and MAC should be slaughtered because god knows I would take mac on a silver platter anyday though I believe that PC is the better buy because of its price I don't think anyone would disagree to that but if you do then I guess that shiny case is worth it to you... I like it....
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#25 RayvinAzn
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maybe you guys are getting me wrong... I am not saying PC is ULTIMATE and MAC should be slaughtered because god knows I would take mac on a silver platter anyday though I believe that PC is the better buy because of its price I don't think anyone would disagree to that but if you do then I guess that shiny case is worth it to you... I like it....TrooperManaic

This isn't a Mac versus PC thing, this is just correcting a completely inaccurate comparison you made. You're comparing two comptuers of mainly unknown specs, running games at unknown resolutions and settings. That's extremely misleading and unfair.

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[QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]maybe you guys are getting me wrong... I am not saying PC is ULTIMATE and MAC should be slaughtered because god knows I would take mac on a silver platter anyday though I believe that PC is the better buy because of its price I don't think anyone would disagree to that but if you do then I guess that shiny case is worth it to you... I like it....RayvinAzn

This isn't a Mac versus PC thing, this is just correcting a completely inaccurate comparison you made. You're comparing two comptuers of mainly unknown specs, running games at unknown resolutions and settings. That's extremely misleading and unfair.

ok then well disregard my postings then though I still stand by my word because of price performance though I must admit I want a mac for myself.
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why would you want to buy a device thats proprietary, and costs more than something that can do the same stuff and is WAY cheaper, and there is way more options for?
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Generally, a mac running windows with equivalent hardware to a PC will run games the same or better.Overclockd

Anandtech compared a Windows-running Mac with a similarly-configured PC notebook. While they tied in most applications, the PC notebook ran a few of the benchmarks around 1% faster than the Mac. "Unified" or not, a Mac won't run a game any faster than a similarly-configured PC.

It's almost a shame that Apple had to go with intel. The PPC architecture was indeed faster...codezer0

According to an "Intel Mac vs PPC Mac" article on anandtech.com, the Xeon-based Mac raped the G5-based Mac in most applications.

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why does vista no interest you if all you want is a pretty gui? vista has all the nice gui of a mac
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[QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]I heard gameing on macs are bad.. though they can shine at times but its so much better with a pc.codezer0
Have you actually tried it yourself? Or are you just spouting random stuff that may ultimately be deemed FUD? I myself got to see what gaming on a Mac is about, with a dev that actually gave a damn about doing it right. And this was back when the PowerPC G5 CPU's were brand new. In short The system: - PowerMac G5 dual 1.8GHz CPU's - 1 (or 2?) GB of RAM - 6800GT - 30" Apple display The game: UT 2004. Keep in mind, the game could only output at a max of 1920x1200. But with that said, I had every in game setting as high as it would allow, and the thing still ran at a constant 70fps, even with about 16 bots running around. And this was back when even an overclocked AMD64 with a 6800 Ultra SLI was struggling with the same on 1600x1200. :shock: It's almost a shame that Apple had to go with intel. The PPC architecture was indeed faster, but it was reaching ridiculous levels of heat, and IBM had no way of refining it enough, fast enough to put the chip inside their notebooks like Apple wanted; while intel did.

now swap unreal 2004 with crysis, unreal 3, cod4, world in conflict and see what you say

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why would you want to buy a device thats proprietary, and costs more than something that can do the same stuff and is WAY cheaper, and there is way more options for?theshadowhunter

For many Mac users, I think yoiu just answered your own question when regarding "more (or less) options." Yes, there are many Mac users that are hardcore into their hardware (and software), but the majority of Mac users I know like Macs because they don't have to worry about fiddling with options and tweaks. It's factory set and nearly everything is locked in, which means that they don't have to add other software which might break their user experience or try to interpret various user settings that they may not understand.

Everyone I talk to that says they want a computer to browse the web, write email, have a word processor and other mundane things, I always tell them to get a Mac. If they are a power user, or a mid-level user and have 1/2 a clue as to what they're doing with their PC, then I advise Vista or XP. The vast majority of PC users don't know what the hell they're doing, which is highly evident by the large number of tech-repair services and the large number of support calls they must make. Work for a week for Geek Squad or similar and you will see the nightmareish PC users I'm talking about.

[QUOTE="codezer0"][QUOTE="TrooperManaic"]I heard gameing on macs are bad.. though they can shine at times but its so much better with a pc.imprezawrx500

Have you actually tried it yourself? Or are you just spouting random stuff that may ultimately be deemed FUD? I myself got to see what gaming on a Mac is about, with a dev that actually gave a damn about doing it right. And this was back when the PowerPC G5 CPU's were brand new. In short The system: - PowerMac G5 dual 1.8GHz CPU's - 1 (or 2?) GB of RAM - 6800GT - 30" Apple display The game: UT 2004. Keep in mind, the game could only output at a max of 1920x1200. But with that said, I had every in game setting as high as it would allow, and the thing still ran at a constant 70fps, even with about 16 bots running around. And this was back when even an overclocked AMD64 with a 6800 Ultra SLI was struggling with the same on 1600x1200. :shock: It's almost a shame that Apple had to go with intel. The PPC architecture was indeed faster, but it was reaching ridiculous levels of heat, and IBM had no way of refining it enough, fast enough to put the chip inside their notebooks like Apple wanted; while intel did.

now swap unreal 2004 with crysis, unreal 3, cod4, world in conflict and see what you say

Um. You do know that is impossible to do, right? Crysis is not made to run natively on a Mac. CoD4 is being released in May. Unreal 3 will be released sometime in 2008. Until these games run natively on the Mac OS, there is no point in comparing the two. As is, you are esentially comparing a computer running Vista or XP to another doing the exact same. The only real difference between mosts PCs and a Mac is the OS, which does tend to run games much better as the OS has a much lighter footprint freeing up more resources. What is indside the PC and the Mac is nearly identical.

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why would you want to buy a device thats proprietary, and costs more than something that can do the same stuff and is WAY cheaper, and there is way more options for?theshadowhunter
Because some of us don't want to be **** stuck with Windows Vista. How about that? :| Or some of us are so burnt out on Windows altogether that we need to be able to run something else on our systems that's still easy to use and doesn't give us constant headaches like any given flavor of Linux would?

[QUOTE="codezer0"]It's almost a shame that Apple had to go with intel. The PPC architecture was indeed faster...My_name_a_Borat

According to an "Intel Mac vs PPC Mac" article on anandtech.com, the Xeon-based Mac raped the G5-based Mac in most applications.

You're comparing two very different generations of the CPU architectures. A more "fair" comparison would have been the G5 to the Pentium4 and AMD Athlon64/Opteron. At those times, the G5 was still faster.. but it ran hella hotter, which is why Apple couldn't get one in a notebook. And Jobs got tired of waiting, so he went intel right at the start of the Core 2/Woodcrest era, when intel finally started making a processor worth a damn.
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#33 codezer0
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why does vista no interest you if all you want is a pretty gui? vista has all the nice gui of a macimprezawrx500
And runs much more inefficiently, too. You can have full video acceleration of OS X's GUI with even an intel GMA video; Apple uses OpenGL, which has always been faster than DirectX. It took intel several months of driver voodoo to even TRY to do the same thing with Vista's Aero.
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I'm pretty sure the highest-end Mac available is unable to run Crysis even on medium settings. My friend's family is really Mac based (and they are also pretty rich). His dad told me he had the best iMac on the market and he has Windows XP through bootcamp on one of his drives. He gave me a few hours to mess around and needless to say it doesn't even compared to a $700 PC. It looks like he spent a few thousand on his iMac (evident by the HUEG screen).

Moral - Macs aren't for gaming, unless you don't mind playing playing even 3 year old games on low settings.

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#35 codezer0
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Uh, are you daft? :| The Mac Pro starts with two quad-core Xeons, can be upgraded to have up to 32GB of RAM, and has the option (from the factory) to be equipped with (now) an HD 2600XT, an 8800GT, or a Quadro card. So if he chose the baseline graphics, that's his fault, not the computer's.
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Yea, he definitely did not have any 8800GT. Enjoy paying $3,000 for it :P.
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sounds like the only reason you want a mac is for the shiny UI. way to waste money. Andrew0987

Apparently you didn't read my full post. I do a lot of mixed media work, and Macs are definitely the way to go for that. Ever heard of Final Cut?