Core 2 Quad vs Core 2 Duo

i have 2 8800gt's

gears of war refused to screenshot..... the game is the black screen

 http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8790/gowzs8.jpg

GRAW

 http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6028/grawxv4.jpg

more games use quads then you guys seem to think :D that is a good thing 

request a game and ill test it! 

i have 2 8800gt's

gears of war refused to screenshot..... the game is the black screen

 http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8790/gowzs8.jpg

GRAW

 http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6028/grawxv4.jpg

more games use quads then you guys seem to think :D that is a good thing 

request a game and ill test it! 

bumsoil

[QUOTE="bumsoil"]

i have 2 8800gt's

gears of war refused to screenshot..... the game is the black screen

 http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/8790/gowzs8.jpg

GRAW

 http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6028/grawxv4.jpg

more games use quads then you guys seem to think :D that is a good thing 

request a game and ill test it! 

HuusAsking

BTW, if they're less informed, then why would we be talking about heat and ocing capability?

Bebi_vegeta

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

BTW, if they're less informed, then why would we be talking about heat and ocing capability?

Thinker_reborn

The Ocers don't ask questions about who overclocks better between a quad from previous generation vs duo from this generation...

And in order to overclock you need a bit of PC knowledge.

Now, I don't know what you're trying to attempt, but stop trying so hard.

"All the quad-core love is fantastic, but the reality is it makes very little difference, unless you are on a very high-end SLI or Crossfire platform. Our tests will be conducted on the fastest single GPU on the globe though, the GeForce GTX 280.

Fact is, even a Core 2 Dual E8500 processor is fast enough for a GeForce GTX 280 in most situations, unless we focus on the lowest resolutions where the GPU is not limited and the CPU can provide more data. Next to that, only a few engines really support multi-threaded multi-core gaming. Even Crysis Warhead configured at Multi-CPU mode shows the limitation of today's software applications. For the past decade or so, all code and libraries are based on one core processors. It's slowly changing, but even with a title like Warhead, as you can see, multiple cores matter only a little."

From Guru3D, Nehalem review:http://www.guru3d.com/article/intel-core-i7-920-and-965-review/17

Sordidus

so even when the game did take advantag of the quad core processor it was only a 15-20fps increase, for a $900 more expensive cpu,

and that e8400 was at stock speeds!

alot of people are just defending their purchase... My quad is overclocked at 3.6 (Q6600) so that is 4 threads rendering at that speed. I can compare it to a Duo at 3.6 running at 2 threads. But obviously the 4 threads at 3.6 is better than 2 threads rendering at 3.6. The quad also tries to equally distributes information throughout all four threads... So i don't understand why people are defending the duo? :? The only reason is stock speed, plus i think the Q6600 is a better overclocking processor than any Duo version.... to my knowledge at least

alot of people are just defending their purchase... My quad is overclocked at 3.6 (Q6600) so that is 4 threads rendering at that speed. I can compare it to a Duo at 3.6 running at 2 threads. But obviously the 4 threads at 3.6 is better than 2 threads rendering at 3.6. The quad also tries to equally distributes information throughout all four threads... So i don't understand why people are defending the duo? :? The only reason is stock speed, plus i think the Q6600 is a better overclocking processor than any Duo version.... to my knowledge at least

xSNYP7x

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

BTW, if they're less informed, then why would we be talking about heat and ocing capability?

Bebi_vegeta

The Ocers don't ask questions about who overclocks better between a quad from previous generation vs duo from this generation...

And in order to overclock you need a bit of PC knowledge.

Now, I don't know what you're trying to attempt, but stop trying so hard.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]So the less informed dont overclock?Thinker_reborn

The Ocers don't ask questions about who overclocks better between a quad from previous generation vs duo from this generation...

And in order to overclock you need a bit of PC knowledge.

Now, I don't know what you're trying to attempt, but stop trying so hard.

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

The Ocers don't ask questions about who overclocks better between a quad from previous generation vs duo from this generation...

And in order to overclock you need a bit of PC knowledge.

Now, I don't know what you're trying to attempt, but stop trying so hard.

Bebi_vegeta

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Maybe he doesnt overclock but will learn how to.;)HuusAsking

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

The Ocers don't ask questions about who overclocks better between a quad from previous generation vs duo from this generation...

And in order to overclock you need a bit of PC knowledge.

Now, I don't know what you're trying to attempt, but stop trying so hard.

Bebi_vegeta

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Maybe he doesnt overclock but will learn how to.;)HuusAsking

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

I'm not talking about performance, i'm talking a higher overclock.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Maybe he doesnt overclock but will learn how to.;)Thinker_reborn

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

Well this just proves my point... 

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

Bebi_vegeta

I'm not talking about performance, i'm talking a higher overclock.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]But that OCing a quad yields a better potential return per MHz than with a dual, since four cores get overclocked on a quad compared to the two on a dual. So a lower ceiling but wider room.HuusAsking

I'm not talking about performance, i'm talking a higher overclock.

Again you missing the whole argument... We were talking stricly overcloacking wise.

If you wanna step into another argument, then say it.

Why are we talking about p4... I said the same generation CPU.

This was proven many times, that a duo core from same generation at higher clock speed will be better for gaming. Note that I am talking about gaming only. And since they OC better, you will get better performance and about 90-95% of the games.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

Bebi_vegeta

Well this just proves my point... 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]So good thing he got to know about that before he decided on his purchase.Thinker_reborn

Well this just proves my point... 

What?

First of all, I wasn't even replying to the TC... I was replying to someone else who made a post in this thread. Second, the TC never even mentions that he wants to overclock his CPU or even show interest after other replies..

All he wants to know is, what's better between a q6600 and e8400 for gaming... so again, please stop trying so hard.

Dual cores OC higher, but you'll be stuck with two cores, the question is do you really need the extra 2 cores? In most cases i would say no, even in mine, i could get a few more points in folding with a quad but i can't see myself spending $2-300 on a CPU. There is added power consumption and in games no difference, makes you think by the time you will need one for games there will be much better and cheaper CPUs. X360PS3AMD05

This was proven many times, that a duo core from same generation at higher clock speed will be better for gaming. Note that I am talking about gaming only. And since they OC better, you will get better performance and about 90-95% of the games.

 

Bebi_vegeta

Yah that's what i tell people who don't upgrade for like 5 years to get the quad, but if you do it more often you won't need it. Also Nehalem will come with dual cores in 2009. X360PS3AMD05

Yah that's what i tell people who don't upgrade for like 5 years to get the quad, but if you do it more often you won't need it. Also Nehalem will come with dual cores in 2009. X360PS3AMD05

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yah that's what i tell people who don't upgrade for like 5 years to get the quad, but if you do it more often you won't need it. Also Nehalem will come with dual cores in 2009. Lach0121

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]This was proven many times, that a duo core from same generation at higher clock speed will be better for gaming. Note that I am talking about gaming only. And since they OC better, you will get better performance and about 90-95% of the games.

 

HuusAsking

You exemple with the P4 is off chart...the "Core series" are clock for clock faster. So that's why, it's not a good idea to compare to previous generation.

Okay, today games don't need 4 cores... I haven't played one game using my CPU at 100%. So dual cores have the advantage of higher clock speed.It's like having 4 wheel car side by side with a 2 wheel car...  they both are equal if they go at the same speed. Since the Dual cores are able to acheive higher clock speed, then, they will naturaly be faster and performe better in games.

I don't think we will see games maxing dual CPU at 100% very soon, they only need to be faster... since, it looks like the multiple core world is coming to GPU with Intel opening the road wide open.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Yah that's what i tell people who don't upgrade for like 5 years to get the quad, but if you do it more often you won't need it. Also Nehalem will come with dual cores in 2009. X360PS3AMD05

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"][QUOTE="Lach0121"] dual core nahalem is redundant.Lach0121

What games?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

Only to realise duo core from same generation as quad, oc better.

Thinker_reborn

I had E6600 for about an year and then replaced it with Q6600.

From my persoal experience, both were great but Q6600 was much better.

People say duo runs gaming faster and in such a duo-quad comparison, argument that only talk about gaming performance. But they foget that their PC isn't only running their game, it is running many services and applications in the background so on a PC you just can't take ONLY GAMING PERFORMANCE and forget other things.

So I'll tell you why I think quads are better because on a dual you can play only one CPU intensive game like crysis at a time and can't run any other CPU intensive task in the back ground. With quads however, you can easily do that.

I'll give a practical example:

1) Just run Crysis on a duo and during a firefight check your CPU usage (total CPU usage, not usage per core) from task manager. Lets call it score A.

2) Now while you are running crysis, start a DVD-AVI conversion along with it. Now again check your CPU usage from task manager. Lets call it score B.

3) Now repeat steps 1 and 2 with a quad core to get the scores C and D.

4) Compare the scores and decide for yourself, which is better.

And please recall that a DVD-AVI conversion program is just an example because all the time your PC is running many services and applications in parallel with your games so you can't just say "ONLY GAMING PERFORMANCE ACCOUNTS".

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]But that OCing a quad yields a better potential return per MHz than with a dual, since four cores get overclocked on a quad compared to the two on a dual. So a lower ceiling but wider room.zaigham_riaz

And please recall that a DVD-AVI conversion program is just an example because all the time your PC is running many services and applications in parallel with your games so you can't just say "ONLY GAMING PERFORMANCE ACCOUNTS".

 

 

zaigham_riaz

[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"] What do you mean? ^^ E8 and E7*00s can hit 4+ghz with ease.........Bebi_vegeta

What games?

[QUOTE="zaigham_riaz"]

And please recall that a DVD-AVI conversion program is just an example because all the time your PC is running many services and applications in parallel with your games so you can't just say "ONLY GAMING PERFORMANCE ACCOUNTS".

 

 

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Lach0121"] its not always about clockspeed for one, and for 2, dual cores, they will not have as long a life as people predict.. 3-4 years, to stay in gaming decently,, lol no... quad in games easily by fall09, and be a standard by fall2010, early 2011 at the latest. some games already list them in the system requirements- in october of 2008. so if im going new mobo, icore7, and new memory, im not gonna waste time or money, on a dual core version of the icore7,Lach0121

What games?

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

[QUOTE="redneckdouglas"]It's either Dualcore or I7 quads. No point getting Core 2 Quad when games don't use 4 cores. And when they do, 8 threads > 4 cores.Lach0121

But for i7 you will need a new mobo and DDR3 RAM which is currently a rip off!

Grand theft auto 4. The recommended is a Q6600 and minimum is 1.8ghz dual coreSTAR_Admiral

Requirements are quite useless.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]But that OCing a quad yields a better potential return per MHz than with a dual, since four cores get overclocked on a quad compared to the two on a dual. So a lower ceiling but wider room.zaigham_riaz

[QUOTE="zaigham_riaz"]

And please recall that a DVD-AVI conversion program is just an example because all the time your PC is running many services and applications in parallel with your games so you can't just say "ONLY GAMING PERFORMANCE ACCOUNTS".

 

 

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="zaigham_riaz"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]But most games dont use more than 2 cores so it's irrelevant.HuusAsking

[QUOTE="zaigham_riaz"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]But most games dont use more than 2 cores so it's irrelevant.Thinker_reborn