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#1 abubabu
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Okay so right now im looking for TVs (NOT MONITORS!) that will just give me HD grpahics on my 360. I dont want the best because im on a 400$ and under price bugdet for a 20" HDTV. So I have been looking at LCD HDTVs and much of them aren't that great I have found the ones below if you guys could give me advice on the ones below that would be great :)

But I do understand that CRT TVs are supposed to be cheaper and have the same if not better picture quality. SO I was wondering if there are any CRT TVs that are AROUND 20". (I want it in my samll room) or atleast give me some advice on what TV to buy or where I could find one! THANKS A BUNCH :)

Element 22" LCD HDTV

Tatung 20" HD-Ready LCD TV

If I see a 20" HDTV and a 20" HD-Ready TV will they end up having the same graphics on a 360.

Once again thanks a bunch! Im in the market but theres so many possibilities I want to understand before I buy and CRT TVs are a serious possibility if they have them around a 20" size.

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You won't find any high-def 20" CRTs but if you're willing to dish out $600 the Sony XBR970 is on sale at Circuit City. It's a 1080i TV (thought not typical 1080i because the res is 853x1080i but it's still high-def and alot of people swear by this TV's amazing picture). It's 34" though, dunno if that's gonna be too big. That being said CRT's are the only technology that can produce a true black resulting in the best blacks (obviously), best shadow detail (very important), and the highest contrast (resulting in great colors which also happen to be very accurate), they also have super bright and pure whites, AND motion blur will never be a problem because of their super fast scan rates. If that is too big or pricey and you're willing to give up widescreen for a normal 4:3 aspect ratio you could find a 20" CRT computer monitor for about $150 on Newegg or a similar site (Viewsonic makes nice monitors), not only will it have all the great benefits of CRT picture quality but it will most likely be multi-scan so it won't have to scale 720p or 1080p (in other words 720p is scanned at 720p and 1080p is scanned at 1080p because the monitor has no native res unlike LCD, Plasma, and all the rear-pro technologies). So there's some more options for you but please stop wasting your time with these no-name brands, if you find an LCD under $400 (even it's 19") then it's a piece of crap.
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I know you said no monitors, but with your budget, HDTV's suck. The above member already told you that you can't really find HD CRT's in that size/price range. The Dell 2007WFP is amazing if you want to play your 360 on it. It's on sale for $360 right now and you can add speakers to it for $30 more. It has aspect display mode, so your 16:9 signal won't be stretched.

Edit: By the way, those two "HDTV"s that you linked are just crappy LCD monitor panels with speakers and tuners. The Dell has the exact same resolution, better contrast, better viewing angles, and it's a better company. Those two "HDTV"s are 16:10 and will stretch your HD 16:9 signals. 

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#4 abubabu
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Okay, so it seems like CRT monitors are the way to go. I was wondering would CRT monitors cost less than LCD monitors? Also does anyone have recommendations for CRT monitors? THANKS FOR THE HELP:)
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#5 dmanrevived
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Must you make a new thread for every phase of your quest to find a new display?

Anyways, there aren't many choices for CRT monitors anymore, not many companies still make them. Here are a few for you to look at. Personally, I think you have a lot more options with LCD displays, and there aren't any widescreen CRT monitors that I know of.

Edit: Typo :P

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#6 abubabu
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so is there relly any point in getting a crt monitor ? i mean really i just want somthing to play my 360 in HD so should i get a crt monitor or tv?
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#7 Cloud_Strife89
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Must you make a new thread for every phase of your quest to find a new display?

Anyways, there aren't many choices for CRT monitors anymore, not many companies still make them. Here are a few for you to look at. Personally, I think you have a lot more options with LCD displays, and there aren't any HD CRT monitors that I know of.dmanrevived

 That's possibly the dumbest statement I've ever heard. No CRT HD monitors huh? EVERY CRT MONITOR IS HD!!! Most can scan to AT LEAST 1920x1080 (AKA 1080p) and some get up to even higher resolutions. On top of that unlike an LCD monitor they don't have to scale the native res to fit the onscreen pixels because they can scan at whatever res they are fed.

 EDIT: See if one of these will do the trick: http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=19&name=CRT-Monitors

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CRTs will always be cheaper than LCDs, but if space is a concern, i highly suggest LCDs. with that said, the price gap is closing quickly.  a 19inch lcd shouldnt cost no more than $250.  after 19 tho, ur paying $70-100 an inch.  at around $400, u can find something around a 22inch with unnoticeable response time (never get anything higher than 8ms).  plus, lcds have widescreen abilities.  the only thing else u really need to know is that u shouldnt buy 16:10 ratio monitors, unless they can do 1080 (which means it needs to be around 21+ inches).  if they do, only then after checking if u can run everything in 1080 w/o stretching it vertically (it should have a letterbox mode), then i would buy it.  do not buy 16:10 monitors that don't have the ability to maintain a 16:9 ratio.  believe me when i say its frustrating looking at verticaly stretched 360 games.

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#9 dmanrevived
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Sorry, I meant no widescreen.. :(
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#10 abubabu
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So what do you guys think about this monitor w/ VERY HIGH resolution I know thats at leaste 1080p!

PS: How would I hook up external speakers on this monitor?

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#11 dmanrevived
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the only thing else u really need to know is that u shouldnt buy 16:10 ratio monitorsBig_T-Mac

Pretty much all widescreen LCD monitors are 16:10. Their panels are 1440x900 in 19", 1680x1050 in 20" and 22", and 1920x1200 in 24", 26", and 27". 16:9 runs mostly in HDTV's. There are some 16:9 "monitors", but they are essentially 32"+ HDTV's that do not have built in tuners. 

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#12 abubabu
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heres the link...

http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/crtmonitors/graphicseries/g90fB/#specs

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heres the link...

http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/crtmonitors/graphicseries/g90fB/#specs

abubabu

I skimmed throught the user guide. There seems to be no aspect display mode to view widescreen signals without stretching, but it's okay if you play the 360 in 1280x1024, the highest 4:3 resolution supported on the 360 for now. 

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#14 abubabu
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So does anyone have any SPECIFIC CRT monitor recmmendations?
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To my knowledge Viewsonic makes top notch monitors so you'll probably be happy with those, might as well read some user opinions even though I wouldn't typically trust them but I don't know where you're gonna see a specific CRT monitor in action. Speakers wouldn't hook into your monitor you'd just run you're audio cables from you're 360 into a reciever of some sort that you're speakers are hooked up to. Just remember if you go with a CRT monitor in your price range you will not have widescreen, it will be a standard 4:3 aspect ratio like your current TV is.
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#16 abubabu
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yea im fine with no widescreen really...

 

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#17 abubabu
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I have a couple more questions: Wil there be any distortion on the CRT Monitors? Also do you think the LCD monitor would have better picture quality than this CRT monitor? THANK YOU :)

LCD

CRT

 

 

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#18 Cloud_Strife89
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I have a couple more questions: Wil there be any distortion on the CRT Monitors? Also do you think the LCD monitor would have better picture quality than this CRT monitor? THANK YOU :)

LCD

CRT

 

 

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 Lol it's funny I keep jumping between you're threads answering very similar questions, I don't mind though. No you will not have any distortion on a CRT monitor because it scans at the resolution it recieves, you'll more than likely have distortion with an LCD monitor and you can read my response to your other thread for the specifics. No LCD monitor is going to have better PQ than a CRT, it's just not going to happen especially since that CRT monitor is from Viewsonic and they make some very nice monitors.

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#19 abubabu
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[QUOTE="abubabu"]

I have a couple more questions: Wil there be any distortion on the CRT Monitors? Also do you think the LCD monitor would have better picture quality than this CRT monitor? THANK YOU :)

LCD

CRT

 

 

Cloud_Strife89

 Lol it's funny I keep jumping between you're threads answering very similar questions, I don't mind though. No you will not have any distortion on a CRT monitor because it scans at the resolution it recieves, you'll more than likely have distortion with an LCD monitor and you can read my response to your other thread for the specifics. No LCD monitor is going to have better PQ than a CRT, it's just not going to happen especially since that CRT monitor is from Viewsonic and they make some very nice monitors.

Thanks for the answers! :) so do you think the CRT or LCD will have better pic. quality...the CRT does have one he11 of a resolution, is that considered 1080p? its like 2000x1600 or somthing

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He already said CRT has better picture hands down. The only downside is that you can't get a widescreen CRT monitor. 1080p is smaller than 1920x1440, so the CRT can display more pixels than needed. BUT since the monitor doesn't seem to be able to display widescreen images without stretching to fill the monitor, you won't be able to view 1080p without it being stretch horribly, vertically.
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#21 Cloud_Strife89
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He already said CRT has better picture hands down. The only downside is that you can't get a widescreen CRT monitor. 1080p is smaller than 1920x1440, so the CRT can display more pixels than needed. BUT since the monitor doesn't seem to be able to display widescreen images without stretching to fill the monitor, you won't be able to view 1080p without it being stretch horribly, vertically.dmanrevived

First of all he's already stated he doesn't care about widescreen but if he decided to use it the monitor would probably use black bars on the top and bottom of the image instead of stretching it and murdering his image. And yes the CRT is plenty high-res for you don't worry and yes it will smoke on the PQ of an LCD and it won't suffer from any motion blur and it won't have to scale the image because it can scan at whatever resolution it's fed (and it's cheaper which on your budget is a very good thing).

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I think you can get a vizio 32'' LCD from costco for under $600 with an HD tuner, good deal.

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#23 abubabu
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so you guys think that viewsonic monitor would do me good i still dont really understand on how to connect to speakers though
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#24 Cloud_Strife89
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Ok, you're going to have to have a reciever that you will hook your speakers in to. You're simply going to plus you're red/white composite cables into that reciever, since the red/white composite cables are located where the component video cables are you might have run a piggy back cable to connect them to the reciever. A piggy back cable is simply a composite cable that you use to extend another composite cable, they have a male end and female end so you're existing red/white composite cables will plug into the piggy back cable.

As for the Vizio suggestion don't waste your money I had a Vizio once and they're crap.

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#25 dmanrevived
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If you don't have a receiver, just check if your current speakers have aux in or line in. If yes, then simply buy a RCA to 1/8" stereo adapter to connect your red/white audio cables to the speakers. My friend's speakers doesn't have any auxiliary inputs or line ins, he simply used a 1/8" coupler to connect the speakers and the RCA to 1/8" adapter together.
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#26 abubabu
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yea see thats a problem I kinda need to buy the speakers cause my old ones got messed up and produced really horible sound....any suggestions for some cheape (roughly under 50$) exterior speakers
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#27 abubabu
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How would these be with the monitor.....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836157002

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Are these the two things I would need for the audio part? Im guessing that I would plug the composite cables from the console into the RCA Coupler adapters than on the other end of those coupler adapters I plug the 2 composite cable from the 1/8" Y-Adapter and then the plug on the other end of the 1/8" Y-adapter goes into the speakers than the speakers go into the monitor? THANKS! :)
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Are these the two things I would need for the audio part? Im guessing that I would plug the composite cables from the console into the RCA Coupler adapters than on the other end of those coupler adapters I plug the 2 composite cable from the 1/8" Y-Adapter and then the plug on the other end of the 1/8" Y-adapter goes into the speakers than the speakers go into the monitor? THANKS! :)abubabu

That's correct until the end. There's no (need for a) connection between the speakers and the monitor. Your method works if your speakers have aux-in. The ones you linked doesn't have an aux-input. My friend managed to get it to work by getting a 1/8" coupler between the 1/8" end of the RCA to 1/8" Y adapter and the 1/8" end of the cord on the speakers. He said it also works if he used headphones instead of the speakers to plug into the 1/8" coupler.

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#30 abubabu
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so do you guys have any recommendations for the speakers I should get?
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These seems to be the cheapest "decent" speakers that have auxiliary input.
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#32 codezer0
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One thing you need to be careful of is that most of these CRT (HD)TV's won't do 720p...

The difference between an HD-ready and HD-built-in is in the ability of the tuner to at least support ATSC HD broadcasts over the air. Some even go further and have a built in QAM tuner (not sure what either acronym means, but these are the two big ones I have heard of). Other than that, picture quality shouldn't be affected. 

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#33 abubabu
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okay thanks for the link dman then I would hook those red whie composite cables through all the adapters and then the end of the 1/8" adapter goes into the aux input
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okay thanks for the link dman then I would hook those red whie composite cables through all the adapters and then the end of the 1/8" adapter goes into the aux inputabubabu

That would be correct. :) 

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I think I might get this LCD Monitor...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254001

With these sound adapters....

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103865&cp=&pg=1&searchSort=TRUE&sr=1&retainProdsInSession=1&y=9&origkw=rca+to+1%2F8%22&kw=rca+to+1%2F8&x=9&s=A-StorePrice-RSK&parentPage=search

and

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102665

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[QUOTE="abubabu"]okay thanks for the link dman then I would hook those red whie composite cables through all the adapters and then the end of the 1/8" adapter goes into the aux inputdmanrevived

That would be correct. :) 

 

HA HA FINALLY THANKS A BUNCH! :D

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#37 abubabu
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OKAY So ALLTOGETHER I do this....

VIDEO: Connect my wii and box 360 component cables from the console into the X2VGA and the VGA cable im guessing included with the monitor will connect the X2VGA to the monitor into the VGA input in the monitor.

AUDIO: I connect the Sound composite cables into the two adapters and then the 1/8" adapter into the other end of the adapter. Then the other end of the 1/8th adapter goes into the aux input on the speakers. Then the speakers connect to the monitor with a cable included with the speakers im guessing...

TOTAL:270$  and right now I have 320$ PERFECT THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HELPED!

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One thing you need to be careful of is that most of these CRT (HD)TV's won't do 720p...

The difference between an HD-ready and HD-built-in is in the ability of the tuner to at least support ATSC HD broadcasts over the air. Some even go further and have a built in QAM tuner (not sure what either acronym means, but these are the two big ones I have heard of). Other than that, picture quality shouldn't be affected.

codezer0

Yes, but we're talking about monitors which, unlike TV's that scale the res to what they natively scan at, are multi-scan and can indeed display 720p.

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#39 codezer0
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No, they can't. It certainly won't be 16:9 or displayed at its correct aspect ratio.
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#40 Cloud_Strife89
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No, they can't. It certainly won't be 16:9 or displayed at its correct aspect ratio.codezer0

 Yes they can, a CRT TV scales the incomming resolution to what ever it's horizontal scan rate is (so a 1080i TV will scale incomming resolutions to 1080i). However a CRT computer monitor is capable of scanning at differnet frequencies so it can display whatever resolution it's fed,  therefor 720p scans at 1280x720, 1280x1024 scans at 1280x 1024, 1080p scans at 1920x1080 and so on and so forth. Of course there is a maximum resolution but it's been a long time since I've seen a CRT monitor with a maximum resolution lower than 1280x1024 (and that's really low for a CRT). 

 As for the aspect ratio he obviously wouldn't be feeding it a signal outputting 16:9, that would be ignorant. All he has to do is go into the 360 dashboard and select 4:3 for his aspect ratio and voila, like friggin magic the image suddenly fits the screen without black bars or stretching.

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#41 Cloud_Strife89
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I think I might get this LCD Monitor...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254001

With these sound adapters....

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103865&cp=&pg=1&searchSort=TRUE&sr=1&retainProdsInSession=1&y=9&origkw=rca+to+1%2F8%22&kw=rca+to+1%2F8&x=9&s=A-StorePrice-RSK&parentPage=search

and

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102665

abubabu

Dude if you're going with the LCD make sure it can run black bars or else no matter what aspect ratio you choose it's gonna stretch the image unless the monitor is 16:9 which I doubt it is, I've never seen a widescreen computer monitor that wasn't 16:10.

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#42 dmanrevived
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[QUOTE="abubabu"]

I think I might get this LCD Monitor...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254001

With these sound adapters....

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103865&cp=&pg=1&searchSort=TRUE&sr=1&retainProdsInSession=1&y=9&origkw=rca+to+1%2F8%22&kw=rca+to+1%2F8&x=9&s=A-StorePrice-RSK&parentPage=search

and

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102665

Cloud_Strife89

Dude if you're going with the LCD make sure it can run black bars or else no matter what aspect ratio you choose it's gonna stretch the image unless the monitor is 16:9 which I doubt it is, I've never seen a widescreen computer monitor that wasn't 16:10.

I think he's come to accept 16:10 because monitors that can run 16:9 with black bars are usually more expensive. It's not really a standard feature on monitors. Honestly the stretching isn't that bad. I've tried playing 360 in both 16:9 and 16:10. I do notice it, but it's not as bad as a few years ago when people watched standard definition programming on widescreen tv's... oh the horror. 

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[QUOTE="Cloud_Strife89"][QUOTE="abubabu"]

I think I might get this LCD Monitor...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254001

With these sound adapters....

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103865&cp=&pg=1&searchSort=TRUE&sr=1&retainProdsInSession=1&y=9&origkw=rca+to+1%2F8%22&kw=rca+to+1%2F8&x=9&s=A-StorePrice-RSK&parentPage=search

and

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102665

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Dude if you're going with the LCD make sure it can run black bars or else no matter what aspect ratio you choose it's gonna stretch the image unless the monitor is 16:9 which I doubt it is, I've never seen a widescreen computer monitor that wasn't 16:10.

I think he's come to accept 16:10 because monitors that can run 16:9 with black bars are usually more expensive. It's not really a standard feature on monitors. Honestly the stretching isn't that bad. I've tried playing 360 in both 16:9 and 16:10. I do notice it, but it's not as bad as a few years ago when people watched standard definition programming on widescreen tv's... oh the horror.

Lol, I can only imagine the craptacularness of SD on a widescreen HDTV. Anyway if he wants to go with 16:10 I guess I won't fight him on it, personally it would annoy the hell out of me and distract me but on his budget he might as well go for it.

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#44 abubabu
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Well Is still really dont know what monitor I would get....Im just trying to get how to hook it up at the moment but now that I know its back to monitor searching! btw: I was kinda saying just IF I got a LCDMonitor that would be the one but what do you guys think I should go with?

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#45 Cloud_Strife89
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Well Is still really dont know what monitor I would get....Im just trying to get how to hook it up at the moment but now that I know its back to monitor searching! btw: I was kinda saying just IF I got a LCDMonitor that would be the one but what do you guys think I should go with?

LCDmonitor

 CRTmonitor

 

 

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I don't trust the Hanns because the only product of theirs I'm familiar with is a crappy budget LCD TV and I've never seen one of their computer monitors in action. The Viewsonic looks good but I realized something last night, some (probably most) normal aspect ratio monitors are 5:4 instead of 4:3 and that small difference may present some problems so you should check into that.

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#46 dmanrevived
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[QUOTE="abubabu"]

Well Is still really dont know what monitor I would get....Im just trying to get how to hook it up at the moment but now that I know its back to monitor searching! btw: I was kinda saying just IF I got a LCDMonitor that would be the one but what do you guys think I should go with?

LCDmonitor

CRTmonitor

 

 

Cloud_Strife89

I don't trust the Hanns because the only product of theirs I'm familiar with is a crappy budget LCD TV and I've never seen one of their computer monitors in action. The Viewsonic looks good but I realized something last night, some (probably most) normal aspect ratio monitors are 5:4 instead of 4:3 and that small difference may present some problems so you should check into that.

That one is 4:3. The 5:4 aspect monitor you're thinking of probably has 1280x1024 resolution. 

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#47 Cloud_Strife89
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Alright if it's 4:3 then that's the one I think he should go with.
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#48 abubabu
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wait so your sayinf the LCD or CRT?
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I don't think he should go with the 4:3 CRT. I don't really like gaming without widescreen since the 360 is designed for widescreen, and I highly doubt the 4:3 CRT can run widescreen images with black bars.
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I don't think he should go with the 4:3 CRT. I don't really like gaming without widescreen since the 360 is designed for widescreen, and I highly doubt the 4:3 CRT can run widescreen images with black bars.dmanrevived

Well he said he doesn't care about widescreen and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the X-Box 360 have the option to output a 4:3 high-def image? I know it handled 4:3 just fine on my friends SDTV so I assumed it could do HD with a normal aspect ratio.Â