Death to Gaming

[QUOTE="mobomasterguru"]Why the hell are we even talking about religion????Tequila_Zaire

We're not...it's more about just because something is discussed and talked about before it becomes proven fact does not mean it's the source of all things...be it the bible talking about the earth being round or HG Wells talking about space travel.

Well then what does all these have to do with the death of gaming and PC games in general???!?

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[QUOTE="mobomasterguru"]Why the hell are we even talking about religion????mobomasterguru

We're not...it's more about just because something is discussed and talked about before it becomes proven fact does not mean it's the source of all things...be it the bible talking about the earth being round or HG Wells talking about space travel.

Well then what does all these have to do with the death of gaming and PC games in general???!?

Idunno, problably cuz some religious nut threw it out into the topic, and then someone else responded to it.  I thought the change in discussion was interesting enough so I decided to partake in it as well.  Sorry it got off topic but now I at least know how some people's minds work concerning the Bible and what it says.

I didnt say the bible said anything about the end of gaming. You are just making stuff up. I said sometimes games and movies are offensive and it can detract from the game alot. I brought up examples of it that was game related. It was more of a rant than had to do with the topic I suppose. I dont get my information from south park and hollywood. So we're not even on the same page. Please just move on. It was a small point that wasnt meant to be taken out of context or be turned into a debate. I wasnt clear why it was brought up. So we can squash it then? Back to topic. . . I always wondered why making AI wasnt a collective building process. Much like I wonder why easier ways to create games hasnt been invented. It seems like you could have an editor that would have every aspect of RTS, FPS, TBS, RPG, MMO and every other genre that is updated all the time. All of those could be shared assets in one giant editor with everything people can put in it. It would be more like a language since it would always change and be updated. that would lower development costs alot and save time. It would also allow people to work from home to make indie games or whatever they wanted.Maestro_AKQ

There was an excellent article about this a few years back (PC Gamer I think) and it went into the difference between "smart AI" and "Fun AI". They can program the AI to be very human and near perfect...but its proven to be zero fun in a game. Games are after all suppose to be fun...and when you get into simulations the engine a game is built on often creates the limitations...not to mention system resources as the more dedicated to AI the less can go into the other aspects of a game. Shared assets have appeared in lower level engines and you'd be surprised how much recycled stuff makes it into games...but as with anything older engines and what was once considered cutting edge is eclipsed quite fast....it's not a sign of Doom though as more and more gamers are accepting ALL gaming past and present as viable entertainment. Look at the retro scene alone...people STILL play and pay for Doom...even saw an excellent XBL release.

New tools will cut developent costs as new designers re-think and re-see how game development works...it's just going to take the right visionaries to do it both on the creative and business ends. I have faith they are already in place...

Funny I was reading in the paper today how gaming is driving the movie industry out. Movie audiences are getting smaller and smaller and theaters are starting to close because of it.

I'll see if I can find a link online for it.
Krall

Very nice reading there, my friend. Very informative. It opens your eyes. I recommend any gamer read it.

EA sucks... but I like some of their games. Can anyone say Battlefield? Can't wait for Medal of Honor Airborne. Even though sequals and franchises are evil lol

Publishers definately need to die.  They are middlemen and while they do take part in distributing games (and thus get all the money), they ultimately take advantage of both parties by giving gamers what they dont want, and giving developers a set amount of payment (they dont get a % of sales) and often inflexible release dates.

I dont want to repeat myself, but this is why Steam is the key to PC gaming's future.  Developers can make games they know gamers want instead of being told by marketing groups hired by publishers.  It may require a large initial investment of money for a startup company (renting a building, buying a game engine, etc) but if the game is successful, they have a solid future.  And that, imo, is what business is all about...putting your best product out and making money off of it due to its quality, not becuase it fills some void.  With the failure rate of startup restaurant at 90% in most cities for comparison's sake, I dont think it would be too difficult for a group of ambitious artists and programmers to get funding to make a game.

I guess to sum up, I Feel that games have gone the way of "pop music".  Stupid, watered down, and ultimately unsatisfying...we need "music" driectly from developers published by developers.