Deus Ex 3 first screenshots

Looks good :D  here are the rest of the screenshots

Who is working on it? it looks like eidos montreal is working on it, i dont like game sequels that have nothing to do with original team or at least lead people from original team, whats situation here?

Who is working on it? it looks like eidos montreal is working on it, i dont like game sequels that have nothing to do with original team or at least lead people from original team, whats situation here?

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Who is working on it? it looks like eidos montreal is working on it, i dont like game sequels that have nothing to do with original team or at least lead people from original team, whats situation here?

not_wanted

well what the hell are you waiting for? play the original (untouchable) and the sequel (good game) and get ready.

Also i love those pictures of the city. I hope its open world enough to be able to walk around the metropolis like an updated version of Syndicate. Cyber Punk rules. Also i coudnt help notice that some of those interiors look similar in style to some of Crysis's indoor levels. Just salivating over what this game could have looked like if it was under the CryEngine2...hell could you imagine what a useless pile of dog poo it would be if it was in that rubbish Unreal Engine 3. Make me proud Eidos Montreal and get some gameplay out.

Eidos Montreal is working on it. Why introduce a cover system! Why!!biggest_loser

because its trendy and all the rage and guarentees another 20k sales simply by implementing it.

I hate the cover system. Such a gimmick

That doesn't even remind me of series, talk about a new direction for the art to take with the franchise. Hopefully it looks better in motion then it does in the shots because it feels very doom like to me at the moment :PZenkuso

That was my feeling as well.  I thought for a moment that I was looking at the Doom engine...  I don't like the look of the characters, tbh.  They look too stylised.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Eidos Montreal is working on it. Why introduce a cover system! Why!!mrbojangles25

because its trendy and all the rage and guarentees another 20k sales simply by implementing it.

I hate the cover system. Such a gimmick

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Eidos Montreal is working on it. Why introduce a cover system! Why!!smerlus

because its trendy and all the rage and guarentees another 20k sales simply by implementing it.

I hate the cover system. Such a gimmick

cover systems are bad from a gameplay point of view

why?

because they take away all the challenge. It used to be that when we were overwhelmed, we would duck (good ol' control or c key) then pop out, praying to get our enemies at a bad moment.

With a cover system, you essentially become invulnerable. Despite hiding behind on object, you still see everything even when youre not actually looking that way. It removes challenge (thus diminishes reward), and it also ruins immersion; its very annoying to hide behind a large wall with your character looking away from the action, yet still somehow he can see every enemy's action.

Gamers have been taking cover for years in games. Do we really need a "system" to make it look cool?

cover system on PC = epic fail

another title I'm not gonna buy because the implement console elements in PC games

thank you

You don't even know how it's implemented.

If it's like in MGS4, it's totally worth it.

cover systems are bad from a gameplay point of view

why?

because they take away all the challenge. It used to be that when we were overwhelmed, we would duck (good ol' control or c key) then pop out, praying to get our enemies at a bad moment.

With a cover system, you essentially become invulnerable. Despite hiding behind on object, you still see everything even when youre not actually looking that way. It removes challenge (thus diminishes reward), and it also ruins immersion; its very annoying to hide behind a large wall with your character looking away from the action, yet still somehow he can see every enemy's action.

Gamers have been taking cover for years in games. Do we really need a "system" to make it look cool?

Those are not screenshots, they are concept art.DGFreak

There are some screenshots there too. It's hard to make the difference.

cover system on PC = epic fail

another title I'm not gonna buy because the implement console elements in PC games

thank you

promajo

[QUOTE="DGFreak"]Those are not screenshots, they are concept art.Baranga

There are some screenshots there too. It's hard to make the difference.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

cover systems are bad from a gameplay point of view

why?

because they take away all the challenge. It used to be that when we were overwhelmed, we would duck (good ol' control or c key) then pop out, praying to get our enemies at a bad moment.

With a cover system, you essentially become invulnerable. Despite hiding behind on object, you still see everything even when youre not actually looking that way. It removes challenge (thus diminishes reward), and it also ruins immersion; its very annoying to hide behind a large wall with your character looking away from the action, yet still somehow he can see every enemy's action.

Gamers have been taking cover for years in games. Do we really need a "system" to make it look cool?

smerlus

I agree, and thats why I find Deus Ex such a fun game. It did not have those light gems or anything; you had to estimate how stealthed you were, and if you guessed right...hooray! Cattle prod that nasty foe. If not, then you end up with a mouth full of lead. Risk, reward, penalty. A simple formula full of win.

Thats not to say the "light gems" of earlier installments of Splinter Cell and Thief were not good innovations. For games based solely on stealth, something was needed to tel the player how hidden they were. But at least these games were nice enough to explain that your character was actually outfitted with special equipment (the light gem for Thief, and the audio/light meter for SPlinter Cell). Sadly, even these are ruined in later games, specifically Chaos Theory as their indicator is now a simple hidden/exposed one, with no variations of partially hidden in between.

A cover system, however, has zero explanation. Why is it there? Did the troops receive special training on taking cover? No, its just there and it makes the game less challenging to the degree where its simply a "duck, shoot, move, duck, shoot, move, duck, recharge shield, move, duck, shoot, etc". This is not entirely the developer's fault; gamers are natureally efficient and as a result we will play the game the easiest way, and usng a cover system is way damn easy.

I look back on all the great games on PC however and they would be ruined by a cover system. I remember fighting grunts in Halflife 1, ducking behind crates, then having to guess where a grunt was and pop out and OH NO! while i was behind the crate they relocated, time to change my game plan. And if I won, I felt awesome. If I lost, I marveled at the awesome AI and actually savored hitting the quickload button in anticipation of the next fight. If Halflife 1 had a cover system, those moments would be lost.

Now imagine modern games without the cover system. Imagine how much more challenging they would be, how much more rewarding.

I guess what I am saying is that cover systems are the breast implants of the gaming world: they look great at first and at times are jaw-dropping, but once you get past the superficual aspect its actually a little disappointing and belittling.

mrbojangles25

LOL. Nice analogy.

Anyways the AI was pretty good back then but I look at AI in games today where foes can do things that the player can't do themselves. Like in the early COD games when enemies and allies could take cover but all you could do is bob up and down behind a wall. Also when you cranked up the difficulty in that game it was like the enemy AI got the whole 6th sense cover mechanic. You'd aim your reticle at their head and they wouldn't pop up until you take it off them. or they'd be behind cover you run to another cover and they just pop up and shoot you at your new location. Or games like Far Cry where humans could see in pitch black caves and were marksmen and crygens and bad mercs would join together in love and harmony as soon as a guy with a hawaiin shirt stepped in the room.

Overall I think devs got lazy throughout the years and I see the cover system as a necessary evil in games where devs don't make the AI fair themselves. It's like leveling the playing field...Now if I could only get those life shredding bullets that come in the grunt's pistols but disappear when they die in Gears of War 2, I'd be a happy man.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]smerlus

LOL. Nice analogy.

Anyways the AI was pretty good back then but I look at AI in games today where foes can do things that the player can't do themselves. Like in the early COD games when enemies and allies could take cover but all you could do is bob up and down behind a wall. Also when you cranked up the difficulty in that game it was like the enemy AI got the whole 6th sense cover mechanic. You'd aim your reticle at their head and they wouldn't pop up until you take it off them. or they'd be behind cover you run to another cover and they just pop up and shoot you at your new location. Or games like Far Cry where humans could see in pitch black caves and were marksmen and crygens and bad mercs would join together in love and harmony as soon as a guy with a hawaiin shirt stepped in the room.

Overall I think devs got lazy throughout the years and I see the cover system as a necessary evil in games where devs don't make the AI fair themselves. It's like leveling the playing field...Now if I could only get those life shredding bullets that come in the grunt's pistols but disappear when they die in Gears of War 2, I'd be a happy man.

[QUOTE="smerlus"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]Hellboard

LOL. Nice analogy.

Anyways the AI was pretty good back then but I look at AI in games today where foes can do things that the player can't do themselves. Like in the early COD games when enemies and allies could take cover but all you could do is bob up and down behind a wall. Also when you cranked up the difficulty in that game it was like the enemy AI got the whole 6th sense cover mechanic. You'd aim your reticle at their head and they wouldn't pop up until you take it off them. or they'd be behind cover you run to another cover and they just pop up and shoot you at your new location. Or games like Far Cry where humans could see in pitch black caves and were marksmen and crygens and bad mercs would join together in love and harmony as soon as a guy with a hawaiin shirt stepped in the room.

Overall I think devs got lazy throughout the years and I see the cover system as a necessary evil in games where devs don't make the AI fair themselves. It's like leveling the playing field...Now if I could only get those life shredding bullets that come in the grunt's pistols but disappear when they die in Gears of War 2, I'd be a happy man.

hmmmm I suppose I can agree with that

Oh god...the cover system. My only experience with this idiotic gameplay element was in Mass Effect and made an already crappy game even worse. Keep the damn consoles features on consoles. I play with a keyboard so I can make use of it's many keys.

I'm willing to give the developers a chance and see if they produce a decent game but I'm still going to be iffy of it until I can get my hands on it or read a good review.

I really, really hope they don't make the main character a moron again. I remember playing DX and really enjoying the dialog JC would have with other NPCs again forms of government, philosophical views and so on. Then I play DX2 and Alex responds to everything in simple, one line answers.

And if I come across universal ammunition again, I will run over every single one of them with my car.

Oh god...the cover system. My only experience with this idiotic gameplay element was in Mass Effect and made an already crappy game even worse. Keep the damn consoles features on consoles. I play with a keyboard so I can make use of it's many keys.

I'm willing to give the developers a chance and see if they produce a decent game but I'm still going to be iffy of it until I can get my hands on it or read a good review.

I really, really hope they don't make the main character a moron again. I remember playing DX and really enjoying the dialog JC would have with other NPCs again forms of government, philosophical views and so on. Then I play DX2 and Alex responds to everything in simple, one line answers.

And if I come across universal ammunition again, I will run over every single one of them with my car.

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totally dissagre apart from deus ex topics... did you know that the console version of ghost recon advanced warfighter is like gears of war and the pc version is fps? its impossible to play the first game ghost recon advanced warfighter...and all this just because they did what you said.... "keep the console features on consoles" yeah so i cant paly the damn game... imagine gears of war withoout a cover stystem.. no matter if you like it or not... just needless to play!

Eidos Montreal is working on it. Why introduce a cover system! Why!!biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Eidos Montreal is working on it. Why introduce a cover system! Why!!Artosa

[QUOTE="Artosa"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Eidos Montreal is working on it. Why introduce a cover system! Why!!Hellboard

I don't like the new art direction... its way too sterile. Deus ex is meant to be a CYBER PUNK game, and is suppose to be dark a murky looking with awesome electronic music.

As far as a cover system, I disagree that it is automatically a bad thing. I think systems like gears makes cover too powerful, but done well it adds another layer of depth to FPS gameplay, which gets pretty monotonous from game to game. So as far as that goes, I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.

I have a feeling it wont be great... but I certainly hope they do as good of a job with it as Bethesda did with fallout 3 (as in its still a good game, NOT a faithful carbon copy of the past game).

I don't like the new art direction... its way too sterile. Deus ex is meant to be a CYBER PUNK game, and is suppose to be dark a murky looking with awesome electronic music.

Rotinaj32

ya I hear ya. The original was like Cyberpunk + Film Noir. The sequal, in terms of color and stuff, was also pretty good in that respect.

The screenshots are just too bright. I dont know anything about the story, but if its anything like t he first two 99% of the population lives in poverty, theyre recovering from a severe plague, and everything should be downright gloomy.

It's not only bad ports, its dumbed down gameplay for console kiddies what is also the problem, look at rainbow six vegas for example, very dumbed down game in terms of realism and lack of features(such as tactical planning and squads) have been completely removed, im afraid this may become the future of pc gaming, and i really do not want to see it happenArtosa

[QUOTE="Artosa"]It's not only bad ports, its dumbed down gameplay for console kiddies what is also the problem, look at rainbow six vegas for example, very dumbed down game in terms of realism and lack of features(such as tactical planning and squads) have been completely removed, im afraid this may become the future of pc gaming, and i really do not want to see it happensmerlus

[QUOTE="smerlus"][QUOTE="Artosa"]It's not only bad ports, its dumbed down gameplay for console kiddies what is also the problem, look at rainbow six vegas for example, very dumbed down game in terms of realism and lack of features(such as tactical planning and squads) have been completely removed, im afraid this may become the future of pc gaming, and i really do not want to see it happenHellboard

I thought the RV6 series were decent but I really did miss the planning phase, I loved setting up so that one squad would provide sniper cover or take care of enemies on higher levels of a complex, I think Gears of War is cool to play with friends but it has little to do with tactics.

In terms of the cover system it gets old after a while some times I just want to hide behind a wall go out and shoot.

In regards to to the Witcher for consoles its been said that the combat system is being redone, I thought the combat system was simple yet very effective and fun.

Well the last rainbow six i tried is lock down which was terrible in consoles and great in pc.. but not tactical.. i played it like cod4.. BUT why pc games got to be hard core tactical games and console games gears of war style? WTF? just watch those videos: thats on pc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eegF4RBnGiA couldnt find a better one.. not many people care about this game thats on x360 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZXYGhXApok far easier like gears of war i couldn't, find a better example Check the walktrougths even the story and levels are diffirent... the same goes for splinter cell its FARRRRRR easier on consoles..wtf? Why the dumb down as you guys say , those games? why the make them so simple in consoles? i wonder how the witcher is gonna turn up in consoles..Hellboard

ask me every game that you can take cover has better game play than gears of war!Hellboard

Yes but I do not understand why it is there though, it should not be called a tactical shooter though, you do not get to really command the others with you, like I said I play it with my friends when they are over but I usually do not touch it more than that.

[QUOTE="Hellboard"]Well the last rainbow six i tried is lock down which was terrible in consoles and great in pc.. but not tactical.. i played it like cod4.. BUT why pc games got to be hard core tactical games and console games gears of war style? WTF? just watch those videos: thats on pc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eegF4RBnGiA couldnt find a better one.. not many people care about this game thats on x360 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZXYGhXApok far easier like gears of war i couldn't, find a better example Check the walktrougths even the story and levels are diffirent... the same goes for splinter cell its FARRRRRR easier on consoles..wtf? Why the dumb down as you guys say , those games? why the make them so simple in consoles? i wonder how the witcher is gonna turn up in consoles..smerlus

What i mean is why to make games different? just make them all the same in all systems and release some pc exclusives, instead of many console ones.... but thats not the point.. the point is how much hardcore you are... casual games... more buyers.. but if GRAW 1 PC was like the consoles versions, i wouldnt touch the gears of war.. but instead they gave us a game that almost no one plays.. so GRAW 2 is much more simpler and it did sale better!