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#1 shakmaster13
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I feel like I'm really really late to the party, but I just finished playing this game and it's definitely one of the best I've played in a long time. I personally thought it was much better than dishonored. The augmentation system is well done and the combat is much better than what I would have originally expected. I'm surprised at how little attention this game gets on this board. It's leaps and bounds better than any game that released last year(that I played). What does gamespot think?

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#2 Erratic_Knight
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Both games have flaws, I think one of the reason's DE:HR doesn't get a lot of praise is because of the amount of praise the original generaly recieved, and how bad it's sequel was...

The consensus for DE:HR was, "well, I guess that's as good a DE as we can expect given today's causal audiance that studios cater to..." So that just leaves Deus Ex fans all saying "meh..." after playing HR instead of "oh god that sucked" after playing Invisable war...

Dishonored is a new IP, so it get props for that right off the bat. But as a said it has it's many flaws... Point is, both games are "fine" DE suffers because it's a "prequel" to one of the best PC games ever made...

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#3 NeonNinja
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I just beat Deus Ex: HR a few weeks ago myself. Haven't played Dishonored to compare them, but I enjoyed it as a stealth-shooter/RPG. It has a few problems for me though, namely the boring first section in Detroit, the game really picks up in Hengsha.

I also had an issue of no memorable characters, which is a problem in a story-based game if you ask me.

Then there were the boss fights which just felt really out of place.

But outside of those flaws, it's a fantastic game. I put in like 28 hours and I know I missed sidequests, so it's a sizable and entertaining game.

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#4 shakmaster13
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I just beat Deus Ex: HR a few weeks ago myself. Haven't played Dishonored to compare them, but I enjoyed it as a stealth-shooter/RPG. It has a few problems for me though, namely the boring first section in Detroit, the game really picks up in Hengsha.

I also had an issue of no memorable characters, which is a problem in a story-based game if you ask me.

Then there were the boss fights which just felt really out of place.

But outside of those flaws, it's a fantastic game. I put in like 28 hours and I know I missed sidequests, so it's a sizable and entertaining game.

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Yeah, I found the pacing in the detroit missions and the boss fights somewhat awkward compared to the flow in the rest of the game. It's like the developers want to force you to use brute force in certain scenarios where just running and gunning with combat augmentations is essentially the easiest way to get through the game, despite stealth being the focus of the game.
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#5 nutcrackr
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My vote goes to HR over dishonored. Primarily because there are more options, more exploration and ways to talk you way through objectives. The world is fairly interative too, using computers, moving boxes, hacking objects.
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#6 Starshine_M2A2
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Settings are very different. I personally prefer the issues raised by technology in Deus Ex rather than the general atmosphere of Dishonored. Although the fantasy setting of that game is great too.

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#7 JangoWuzHere
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Deus Ex: HR is fun from start to finish. Dishonored gets more and more boring as you play.

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#8 themagicbum9720
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never played dues ex. i thought dishonored was very good. only problem with it was broke achievements and during my no kill or detection play through, not as muchas i hoped changed. [spoiler] one less tall boy at the boyle party, emily says and draws nicer things, callista doesnt get killed, less weepers and rats [/spoiler] they still have wanted posters for the masked person even though you were never seen. feel like the characters only changed towards the end of the game. my first playthrough, where i killed everything that moved, emily didnt say anything negative until i was almost done.
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Interresting games that has alot of the same bright points, and flaws.

Negatives: Both games are pretty horried in making memorable characters, and pretty much both falls into the stereotype crdboard cutout people.

Both fail at giving emotional reasons, or indeed wake emotiotions in the player to begin with (due to quite frankly apathic worlds).

Both end up giving a sense of fatigue in certain enviomental things.

The positives: Both games are really flexible, and tend to recognice the players actions and commenting on them (often help the gameworld feel morebelivable, or fun).

Both tailor gameplay fairly well (although punishes for the same kinds of playstyle, this is a negative side comment on a good thing).

Both settings are interresting.

Both games make you feel a certain sense of power and pride, without making you feel indestrutible (although in both cases, you really can be fairly quick).

The differences:

Deus Ex: HR does the better job of selling a belivable world, an odd thing, since they both does a good job at painting the problems and average persons problems fairly well, I suppose it is because you often wonder why security is so bad in dishonored). In some sense the scope of things in Dishonored is not put into clear view, but rather told.

Movement in Dishonored is FAR better, while it may seem odd how Corvo can move like he does (proneing almost makes him feel like liquid, but awesome that you can hide under a bed) for example). And the lack of cutting to third person helps ground the notion that you are Corvo, and not just controlling him (which the 3rd person snap In deus ex: HR made me feel quite often)

Dishonoreds world of gray and depression envioments may end up harming the impression of the game depending on the player, it is not the depressing in itself, but the odd lack of colors (in a game people tend to note for its color,s which I find orr or mildly amuzing)

I tend to find the music in Deus Ex: HR way better, while the NPC comments somewhat better in Dishonored.

The unlocked abilities in Deus ex, feels like more personal choices, with a greater sense of personality, while the ones in Dishonored feels more linier, and fulfills a very specific role of the game. And not a way to make players discern what may go well together. The abilities in Dishonored does not seam all that level either, found some abilities WAY more useful then others, while in Deus ExWhile I prefered some, I always found all of them viable (with a few of the hacking ones).

I prefer Deus Ex: Human Revolution, mainly due to setting and music, but I do think Dishonored is a good game. My main Critiques with it boils down to the color palette mostly, I seemed to be able to pick between gray and brown muddled colors, of the normal vision, or the nearly frustrating bluish ting of his supernatural vision.

And I liked the feeling of open living areas in DE:HR you'd often find odd surprises and such. While Dishonoreds felt more closed in, and Claustophobic. Often pretty much void of people (well there is a very good story reason for that).

So While I prefer DE:HR I am quite aware that the diciding factor in that, is my taste, not th games, someone might prefer Dishonored by the very same mindset.

But man somewhere in the middle of Dishonored I had to push myself to play it, when I playied it I had alot of fun with it, but when I did not play it, it was not the game I would start up if I did not feel I had to finish it, is hard to explain it really, a few games has givenme that feeling before, and never been able to express how exactly that could be (liking a game alot, but having no desire to play it)

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I liked them both about the same, but might give the edge to Dishonored since it plays a little smoother and doesn't have crappy boss fights.

Both games gently encourage you to play non-lethally which I dislike (Deus Ex gives more XP for just knocking enemies out, Dishonored tells you that you get a darker ending if you kill too many people).

I thought the abilities were more creative and had a larger impact on gameplay in Dishonored, but it had a weak story. Deux Ex had a great story.

Both games had good settings and pacing.

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I loved both... Get both!
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The fundamental concept of the games, that being choice, has continued to present itself with an aura of complexity so as to obscure its actual stupidity. The undeviating, restricted F.E.A.R. will always exceed in intricacy a Deus Ex.

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I think I'd choose death first. But if that wasn't an option, Human Revolution definitely. At the very least, it has the framework of Deus Ex 1 and is fairly challenging. Dishonored isn't really a new IP. Its more like a hodgepodge of a whole lot of better ones stuck together, like a cornetto!
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#14 Erratic_Knight
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I think I'd choose death first. But if that wasn't an option, Human Revolution definitely. At the very least, it has the framework of Deus Ex 1 and is fairly challenging. Dishonored isn't really a new IP. Its more like a hodgepodge of a whole lot of better ones stuck together, like a cornetto! biggest_loser
You can say that about nearly every movie, game, book that was ever written/made... Everything is a mishmash of classic themes, myths, and stories dating back years upon years... For all intensive purposes, Dishonored is a new IP...
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]I think I'd choose death first. But if that wasn't an option, Human Revolution definitely. At the very least, it has the framework of Deus Ex 1 and is fairly challenging. Dishonored isn't really a new IP. Its more like a hodgepodge of a whole lot of better ones stuck together, like a cornetto! Erratic_Knight
You can say that about nearly every movie, game, book that was ever written/made... Everything is a mishmash of classic themes, myths, and stories dating back years upon years... For all intensive purposes, Dishonored is a new IP...

Yeah I'm aware of the whole 'there are only seven stories' analysis when talking about narratives.

However, games are made of specific features and each one distinguishes itself by a) developing its own mechanics or b) puts a new spin on old concepts.

Dishonored does neither. There are whole chunks borrowed from HL2, Batman, Deus Ex and in action it feels, to me, too much like Bioshock.

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#16 Erratic_Knight
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[QUOTE="Erratic_Knight"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]I think I'd choose death first. But if that wasn't an option, Human Revolution definitely. At the very least, it has the framework of Deus Ex 1 and is fairly challenging. Dishonored isn't really a new IP. Its more like a hodgepodge of a whole lot of better ones stuck together, like a cornetto! biggest_loser

You can say that about nearly every movie, game, book that was ever written/made... Everything is a mishmash of classic themes, myths, and stories dating back years upon years... For all intensive purposes, Dishonored is a new IP...

Yeah I'm aware of the whole 'there are only seven stories' analysis when talking about narratives.

However, games are made of specific features and each one distinguishes itself by a) developing its own mechanics or b) puts a new spin on old concepts.

Dishonored does neither. There are whole chunks borrowed from HL2, Batman, Deus Ex and in action it feels, to me, too much like Bioshock.

But you can say that about essentially every game that comes out. X is like Y, Y is like Z etc... The point is, Dishonored isn't Dishonored 9 or Super Warfare Extreme 52, it's an original IP (that will undoubtedly spawn sequels now) that should be embraced during an era of casual/sequel/prequel flooded game market.
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="Erratic_Knight"] You can say that about nearly every movie, game, book that was ever written/made... Everything is a mishmash of classic themes, myths, and stories dating back years upon years... For all intensive purposes, Dishonored is a new IP...Erratic_Knight

Yeah I'm aware of the whole 'there are only seven stories' analysis when talking about narratives.

However, games are made of specific features and each one distinguishes itself by a) developing its own mechanics or b) puts a new spin on old concepts.

Dishonored does neither. There are whole chunks borrowed from HL2, Batman, Deus Ex and in action it feels, to me, too much like Bioshock.

But you can say that about essentially every game that comes out. X is like Y, Y is like Z etc... The point is, Dishonored isn't Dishonored 9 or Super Warfare Extreme 52, it's an original IP (that will undoubtedly spawn sequels now) that should be embraced during an era of casual/sequel/prequel flooded game market.

I don't think you can say that about every game because some games hide their roots and their scaffolding very well. When you play HL1 you don't think of those old shooters. It has its own identity and its own feel.

Dishonored is a new IP in name only and I don't feel the need to embrace something mediocre (my opinion) just as an alternative to COD. Personally, thats the death of this industry if we're going to over-hype something just because its "different".

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But you can say that about essentially every game that comes out. X is like Y, Y is like Z etc... The point is, Dishonored isn't Dishonored 9 or Super Warfare Extreme 52, it's an original IP (that will undoubtedly spawn sequels now) that should be embraced during an era of casual/sequel/prequel flooded game market. Erratic_Knight

no game should be "embraced" for the sole reason of being a new IP. first of all, if the new IP is mediocre at best? it shouldn't be praised simply because it's a new IP.

secondly, in this era of information overload...nothing is really original anymore, speaking of artistic creativity. every game dev step on teh shoulders of other dev, maybe someone or themselves from an earlier generation. furthermore, they take inspiration from all sorts outside of the gaming itself, from literature, pop culture, genre tropes, so on and so forth.

New IP could be very derivative and unoriginal. this isn't necessary a bad thing. a postmodern pastiche well done is far better than an "original" story full of modernistic tripe.

btw, I finished DE:HR in one playthrough, non-stop. with Dishonored, I had to stop it and went to play X-com...now I couldn't go back~

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New IP could be very derivative and unoriginal. this isn't necessary a bad thing. a postmodern pastiche well done is far better than an "original" story full of modernistic tripe.

btw, I finished DE:HR in one playthrough, non-stop. with Dishonored, I had to stop it and went to play X-com...now I couldn't go back~

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Really? I mean, if a new COD clone came out, called something else and was mechanically solid, but still derivative of COD you'd be happy with that?

I guess "done well" is the variable here. Dishonored is derivative of a lot of different games, crossing genres, but its not the sum of its parts.

I'd rather go back and play a whole Batman game than an imitation of its best features.

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#20 PetJel
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Played both, loved both.

Overall the stealth gameplay in Dishonored was a bit more enjoyable (extremely smooth and satisfying platforming, diverse killing animations, infiltration techniques) but HR had some great gameplay too.

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[QUOTE="teardropmina"]

New IP could be very derivative and unoriginal. this isn't necessary a bad thing. a postmodern pastiche well done is far better than an "original" story full of modernistic tripe.

btw, I finished DE:HR in one playthrough, non-stop. with Dishonored, I had to stop it and went to play X-com...now I couldn't go back~

biggest_loser

Really? I mean, if a new COD clone came out, called something else and was mechanically solid, but still derivative of COD you'd be happy with that?

I guess "done well" is the variable here. Dishonored is derivative of a lot of different games, crossing genres, but its not the sum of its parts.

I'd rather go back and play a whole Batman game than an imitation of its best features.

a new COD clone will not be a postmodern pastiche, well or badly done. Dishonored had the chance to be a good pastiche, but somehow fell short. to me personally, it's the gameplay; smply doesn't grab me as much as say, that of DE:HR or the new X-com.

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#22 pelvist
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Played both, finished both. Deus Ex HR was great, Dishonored was good but I enjoyed Deus Ex HR more.

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The one with a stealth focus that lets me stab people, or not stab them if I feel like it.

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Deus Ex has better overall gameplay. Deus Ex also has horrible horrible boss fights but overall had a better vibe because of it's better story and far greater characters.

Dishonored has terrible characters and story. They're a big let down for the game.

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Haven't played Dishonored, not that interested, but I don't see any game coming even close to the most ambitious game in the last several years, sure boss fights suck and it's pretty rough with certain animations ( I actually love those rough animations, it's what make it feel unique), but it has so many ways to complete a level, soundtrack is great, voice acting, fantastic atmosphere and an interesting story.

The one with a stealth focus that lets me stab people, or not stab them if I feel like it.

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So a +1 for DE HR?

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Haven't played Dishonored, not that interested, but I don't see any game coming even close to the most ambitious game in the last several years, sure boss fights suck and it's pretty rough with certain animations ( I actually love those rough animations, it's what make it feel unique), but it has so many ways to complete a level, soundtrack is great, voice acting, fantastic atmosphere and an interesting story.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

The one with a stealth focus that lets me stab people, or not stab them if I feel like it.

DanielDust

So a +1 for DE HR?

I was talking about Metal Gear Solid 3.

God how dumb is everybody!?

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[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

Haven't played Dishonored, not that interested, but I don't see any game coming even close to the most ambitious game in the last several years, sure boss fights suck and it's pretty rough with certain animations ( I actually love those rough animations, it's what make it feel unique), but it has so many ways to complete a level, soundtrack is great, voice acting, fantastic atmosphere and an interesting story.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

The one with a stealth focus that lets me stab people, or not stab them if I feel like it.

SPYDER0416

So a +1 for DE HR?

I was talking about Metal Gear Solid 3.

God how dumb is everybody!?

Your comment was so cryptic it was almost impossible to understand. And he's not going to know you were talking about MGS3 if he's never played it so don't assume that. Lastly, stop insulting everyone you encounter on these forums since you're clearly in a glass house.
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The fundamental concept of the games, that being choice, has continued to present itself with an aura of complexity so as to obscure its actual stupidity. The undeviating, restricted F.E.A.R. will always exceed in intricacy a Deus Ex.

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#29 ultimate-k
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Love both games, but I like HR better.

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#30 Macutchi
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a tough choice - deus ex hr had the obvious boss fights, the kind of carboard-y world and a few laborious side quests counting against it.

dishonored was short unless you went nuts exploring every nook and cranny of the city, had forgettable characters and a run of the mill storyline and most of the powers were just not needed to play stealthy, as the game encourages you to.

but both were superb and i'd definitely recommend them both. all i can say to developers is

moar!

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#31 teardropmina
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

So a +1 for DE HR?

Starshine_M2A2

I was talking about Metal Gear Solid 3.

God how dumb is everybody!?

Your comment was so cryptic it was almost impossible to understand. And he's not going to know you were talking about MGS3 if he's never played it so don't assume that. Lastly, stop insulting everyone you encounter on these forums since you're clearly in a glass house.

being called dumb for not knowing a console game on this GS PC gaming forum...well, you'd get used to this kind of things here~

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#32 DanielDust
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I doubt he's talking about MGS3, probably trolling, a smart person can't be stupid enough to talk about irrelevant console games in a thread about 2 specific multiplatform games.
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#33 Barbariser
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Human Revolution is longer than Dishonored, has a lot more in the way of real freedom (with the exception of the endings), doesn't have A.I. so stupid that you can drag a guard into the shadows without anyone noticing that he's missing, has way better writing and has a more challenging and interesting last act. Curbstomp in favour of Human Revolution.

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#34 psn8214
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While I'm inclined to say Deus Ex because of Dishonored's dissapointing narrative, I liked Dunwall as a setting so much that it made up for a lot of my complaints.

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#35 SPYDER0416
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

So a +1 for DE HR?

Starshine_M2A2

I was talking about Metal Gear Solid 3.

God how dumb is everybody!?

Your comment was so cryptic it was almost impossible to understand. And he's not going to know you were talking about MGS3 if he's never played it so don't assume that. Lastly, stop insulting everyone you encounter on these forums since you're clearly in a glass house.

Well if you took me seriously with that then you probably deserved it, but don't speak for everyone when you mean "you".

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The augmentation system is well done and the combat is much better than what I would have originally expected. I'm surprised at how little attention this game gets on this board...What does gamespot think?shakmaster13

I really enjoyed Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It is one of only 3 games currently on my "Recommended" List on Steam. So, there's that.

I haven't played Dishonored and probably won't so I can't comment on Dishonored. May be I was turned off by it being a period piece. I shy away from period pieces unless they are about actual periods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psqEc9Owzs8

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#37 dracolich55
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I preffered DXHR.... Dishonored was good but it felt almost like a "test", like Dishonored 2 or whatever will be MUCH better with more weapons, powers, longer levels etc
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#38 MyopicCanadian
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I think people stopped talking about Deus Ex HR because most people have played the hell out of it already... I know I have. Can't remember the last time I spent damn near 40 hours in a game only to start playing it all over again right away.

HR is pretty interesting because of the options you have for multiple playstyles. The stealth approach is satisfying, as is the melee approach, as are using different types of weapons.. and you can focus on whatever you like. On my second playthrough I spent most of my time using the revolver, playing the game like an 80's cop movie. It was fun as hell.

I didn't spend too much time playing Dishonored, but it just didn't grip me all that much. I think the problem was that the stealth aspect of the game didn't feel satisfying, and the options you had for stealth killing people just made the game seem really easy if you want to go that route. You could take out enemies from afar and have them turn to ash so the other guards wouldn't even be put on alert. Then you could blink all over the place as well.

And at the end of it all, I was just far more interested in HR's setting than Dishonored's. I'm sure that's what helped me get into Deus Ex and what shied me away from Dishonored.

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#39 Starshine_M2A2
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[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

I was talking about Metal Gear Solid 3.

God how dumb is everybody!?

SPYDER0416

Your comment was so cryptic it was almost impossible to understand. And he's not going to know you were talking about MGS3 if he's never played it so don't assume that. Lastly, stop insulting everyone you encounter on these forums since you're clearly in a glass house.

Well if you took me seriously with that then you probably deserved it, but don't speak for everyone when you mean "you".

Your posting history suggests otherwise so you're actually throwing stones now...
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#40 Lach0121
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I still haven't played either of these games... But I do want to get around to them.

I hear they are both a blast.

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#42 V4LENT1NE
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I have Deus Ex but I found it quite annoying, who knows maybe if I try it again I will like it. I really want dishonored though but I am to busy with Halo 4 and WoW at the moment :P
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#43 SPYDER0416
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"] Your comment was so cryptic it was almost impossible to understand. And he's not going to know you were talking about MGS3 if he's never played it so don't assume that. Lastly, stop insulting everyone you encounter on these forums since you're clearly in a glass house.Starshine_M2A2

Well if you took me seriously with that then you probably deserved it, but don't speak for everyone when you mean "you".

Your posting history suggests otherwise so you're actually throwing stones now...

Well if you're following my posting history to find something against me here (a videogame forum board) that's creepy. You are creepy, and it still doesn't change that I was just trolling and you took it seriously.

Creeper.

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#44 skrat_01
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Both games have their flaws. They're both great, however Deus Ex has some major plot and writing shortcomings. Dishonoured does as well - though in regard to its plot being downright dull simple and too railroaded. Dishonoured has much smoother gameplay switching, Human Revolution has a bit more to it in terms of investing in a play style.
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#45 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="Erratic_Knight"] But you can say that about essentially every game that comes out. X is like Y, Y is like Z etc... The point is, Dishonored isn't Dishonored 9 or Super Warfare Extreme 52, it's an original IP (that will undoubtedly spawn sequels now) that should be embraced during an era of casual/sequel/prequel flooded game market. teardropmina

no game should be "embraced" for the sole reason of being a new IP. first of all, if the new IP is mediocre at best? it shouldn't be praised simply because it's a new IP.

secondly, in this era of information overload...nothing is really original anymore, speaking of artistic creativity. every game dev step on teh shoulders of other dev, maybe someone or themselves from an earlier generation. furthermore, they take inspiration from all sorts outside of the gaming itself, from literature, pop culture, genre tropes, so on and so forth.

New IP could be very derivative and unoriginal. this isn't necessary a bad thing. a postmodern pastiche well done is far better than an "original" story full of modernistic tripe.

btw, I finished DE:HR in one playthrough, non-stop. with Dishonored, I had to stop it and went to play X-com...now I couldn't go back~

Nothing is original anymore? Bull**** nonsense, especially considering how young games are. 3D has only been common since the mid 90s, and there still isn't an established storytelling language, let alone language in general, in games. Originality, creativity and experimentation is rife, particularly in the smaller development spaces. Absolutely ridiculous. There's no such thing as one being 'better' than the other. That's nonsense. Spec Ops The Line is falls very much into your own idea of portmodern pastiche, as a mechanically derivative commentary of the state of the shooter genre, and the storytelling problems of games. Is it outright better then a game like Space Chem to Thirty Flights of Loving? Hell no. And there's the point at the heart of it. More Dishonoured's exploring under-explored aspects in games, compared to something like Homefront, reiterating the same formula unremarkably is largely a good thing. The difference here is that because this specific brand of shooter is entirely smothered by COD, it has almost encouraged development in response to what can be argued as stagnation.
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Both are amazing.
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#47 DeviIHuman
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Both are amazing.Chiddaling

Agreed :D

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#48 Starshine_M2A2
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[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Well if you took me seriously with that then you probably deserved it, but don't speak for everyone when you mean "you".

SPYDER0416

Your posting history suggests otherwise so you're actually throwing stones now...

Well if you're following my posting history to find something against me here (a videogame forum board) that's creepy. You are creepy, and it still doesn't change that I was just trolling and you took it seriously.

Creeper.

It made for entertaining reading to say the least. And I've been called creepy before, mostly by non-intellectuals such as yourself. So, I take it as a compliment these days.
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#49 SPYDER0416
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"] Your posting history suggests otherwise so you're actually throwing stones now...Starshine_M2A2

Well if you're following my posting history to find something against me here (a videogame forum board) that's creepy. You are creepy, and it still doesn't change that I was just trolling and you took it seriously.

Creeper.

It made for entertaining reading to say the least. And I've been called creepy before, mostly by non-intellectuals such as yourself. So, I take it as a compliment these days.

Thanks for showing everyone that you are in fact, creepy, topping it off by insulting everyone who has ever rightfully called you out on your lonely stalker habits. All because I made a small joke you were dumb enough to take seriously, which I should do more often if it gets these responses.

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#50 Starshine_M2A2
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[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"][QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Well if you're following my posting history to find something against me here (a videogame forum board) that's creepy. You are creepy, and it still doesn't change that I was just trolling and you took it seriously.

Creeper.

SPYDER0416

It made for entertaining reading to say the least. And I've been called creepy before, mostly by non-intellectuals such as yourself. So, I take it as a compliment these days.

Thanks for showing everyone that you are in fact, creepy, topping it off by insulting everyone who has ever rightfully called you out on your lonely stalker habits. All because I made a small joke you were dumb enough to take seriously, which I should do more often if it gets these responses.

Glass house again, self confessed troll.

I think being creepy is actually kind of cool. Some of the greatest minds in history were considered creepy. Just look at Max Schreck and Boris Karloff.

And no, it doesn't bother me because I consider calling someone you don't even know a 'stalker' based on one incident of looking up your posting history to confirm your status as a douchebag before calling you out as such to be the product of a truly ignorant mind.

But, as I said, I've encountered them before.