deus ex invisible war, deus ex general

So...I just finished Deus Ex a couple of days ago. I had a lot of fun with it. It's definitely one of the better games I've played. I installed Invisible War and have played it for about an hour, but so far it doesn't have that magic the first game had. It's not that it's bad. It just seems like it's missing something. I loved the strong rpg element of Deus Ex, but it seems to be missing here. Kind of like the difference between Mass Effect 1 and 2. Does it get better?

Oh, it doesn't just get better and better, it is better.

You're having the same reaction almost everyone else had. Invisible War is good unless you compare it to Deus Ex 1. And yes, a number of the RPG elements are missing.

Play The Nameless mod, it's everything you can desire for.

Its not terrible just a weak sequel. I can't see how anyone could justify it being better than DX1 - I'd like to hear some justifications though in seriousness. biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Its not terrible just a weak sequel. I can't see how anyone could justify it being better than DX1 - I'd like to hear some justifications though in seriousness. Animatronic64

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Its not terrible just a weak sequel. I can't see how anyone could justify it being better than DX1 - I'd like to hear some justifications though in seriousness. Animatronic64

Those 4 reasons never existed for me, except for the visuals. But that's because i expected to play RPG/Stealth game with loose FPS elements, which is what Deus Ex is..

I could say something similar about Mass Effect 2. Patheticaly weak RPG elements, but overall a good game.

You should totally play The Nameless mod instead. Iwar really isn't that great. skrat_01

YES YES YES YES YES YES :D loved it.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Its not terrible just a weak sequel. I can't see how anyone could justify it being better than DX1 - I'd like to hear some justifications though in seriousness. Animatronic64

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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Its not terrible just a weak sequel. I can't see how anyone could justify it being better than DX1 - I'd like to hear some justifications though in seriousness. kdawg88

Thank you for the replies, gamespot users. I'm going check that Nameless mod out right now. :)

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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Its not terrible just a weak sequel. I can't see how anyone could justify it being better than DX1 - I'd like to hear some justifications though in seriousness. kdawg88

I just watched those interviews. They are very insightful and many of the points made could be applied the the film and music industry, in terms of focusing creativity. They were great. Thanks for sharing those.

So...I just finished Deus Ex a couple of days ago. I had a lot of fun with it. It's definitely one of the better games I've played. I installed Invisible War and have played it for about an hour, but so far it doesn't have that magic the first game had. It's not that it's bad. It just seems like it's missing something. I loved the strong rpg element of Deus Ex, but it seems to be missing here. Kind of like the difference between Mass Effect 1 and 2. Does it get better?

StrawberryHill

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Its not terrible just a weak sequel. I can't see how anyone could justify it being better than DX1 - I'd like to hear some justifications though in seriousness. Animatronic64

Reason 1: Better graphics. Reason 2: Better gunplay. Reason 3: Freedom of choice. Reason 4: Better story. Sure, it has less rpg elements, a dumbed down skill system, and its length is shorter overall, but the 4 reasons I provided are enough for me to enjoy Invisible War more than I enjoyed Deus Ex.

Animatronic64

And really, the IW graphic engine was weak for its time. It couldn't even do water (which is why they made everything frozen.) And I don't even need to bring up its need to divide the levels with loading areas again. . .

i have never played deus ex only own an xbox and an ipod but deus ex invisible war is boring. i played for about 2 hours over the course of a weak and its very meh. i know its 2011 but even comparing it to kotor 1,kotor 2,jade empire and arralon it just doesnt compare

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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Its not terrible just a weak sequel. I can't see how anyone could justify it being better than DX1 - I'd like to hear some justifications though in seriousness. kdawg88

Paul! I... I...

I thought you were a GEP gun.

Paul! I... I...

I thought you were a GEP gun.

FatSlasH

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Reason 1: Better graphics. Reason 2: Better gunplay. Reason 3: Freedom of choice. Reason 4: Better story. Sure, it has less rpg elements, a dumbed down skill system, and its length is shorter overall, but the 4 reasons I provided are enough for me to enjoy Invisible War more than I enjoyed Deus Ex.

Qixote

And really, the IW graphic engine was weak for its time. It couldn't even do water (which is why they made everything frozen.) And I don't even need to bring up its need to divide the levels with loading areas again. . .

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Reason 1: Better graphics. Reason 2: Better gunplay. Reason 3: Freedom of choice. Reason 4: Better story. Sure, it has less rpg elements, a dumbed down skill system, and its length is shorter overall, but the 4 reasons I provided are enough for me to enjoy Invisible War more than I enjoyed Deus Ex.

Animatronic64

And really, the IW graphic engine was weak for its time. It couldn't even do water (which is why they made everything frozen.) And I don't even need to bring up its need to divide the levels with loading areas again. . .

Deus Ex fans just hate it when others like IW. Guess what, I like IW more than the first as well. I think it is time to step down of ya'lls mighty throne :roll: We don't have to like the same **** as you.

millerlight89

All we (DX1 fans) are doing is trying to get solid reasoning out of people. Its too easy just to say 'I like X better' without explaining it. Its also becoming harder for the minority with the developers admitting their mistakes with 2. biggest_loser

Invisible War is a disgrace to the Deus Ex name.

As others have said, it is not exactly a bad game, but its not a good game, and definately no where near the first in terms of quality, enjoyment, story, and roleplaying

Deus Ex fans just hate it when others like IW. Guess what, I like IW more than the first as well. I think it is time to step down of ya'lls mighty throne :roll: We don't have to like the same **** as you.

millerlight89

Imagine a world where there is a brewery that makes the most wonderful beer in the world. Its malty, has a good balance of hops, and is refreshing and wholesome. Everyone likes it, from Joe Sixpack to the harshest critics out there.

What if one day your beloved brewery started to bottle piss instead and sell it to people. And, even worse, what if these people enjoyed it. They drank it by the gallon even though theyre drinking piss.

Wouldnt you feel compelled to tell these people: "Hey! Youre drinking piss! Thats not beer; this used to be a good brewery, now theyre pissing in your mouth and youre loving it!"

Wouldnt you feel compelled to tell these people: "Hey! Youre drinking piss! Thats not beer; this used to be a good brewery, now theyre pissing in your mouth and youre loving it!"

mrbojangles25

The problem is that some people like the new "piss" because the old brew is too rough for them. Kinda like my situation with oblivion and morrowind :lol:

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Deus Ex fans just hate it when others like IW. Guess what, I like IW more than the first as well. I think it is time to step down of ya'lls mighty throne :roll: We don't have to like the same **** as you.

mrbojangles25

Imagine a world where there is a brewery that makes the most wonderful beer in the world. Its malty, has a good balance of hops, and is refreshing and wholesome. Everyone likes it, from Joe Sixpack to the harshest critics out there.

What if one day your beloved brewery started to bottle piss instead and sell it to people. And, even worse, what if these people enjoyed it. They drank it by the gallon even though theyre drinking piss.

Wouldnt you feel compelled to tell these people: "Hey! Youre drinking piss! Thats not beer; this used to be a good brewery, now theyre pissing in your mouth and youre loving it!"

Ok, that made me smile and it pretty much sums up how I feel about 99% of the modern RPGs released.

Im almost done with deus ex and i regret not giving this game a real chance when it released. it was really ahead of it's time.lawlessx

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Deus Ex fans just hate it when others like IW. Guess what, I like IW more than the first as well. I think it is time to step down of ya'lls mighty throne :roll: We don't have to like the same **** as you.

mrbojangles25

Imagine a world where there is a brewery that makes the most wonderful beer in the world. Its malty, has a good balance of hops, and is refreshing and wholesome. Everyone likes it, from Joe Sixpack to the harshest critics out there.

What if one day your beloved brewery started to bottle piss instead and sell it to people. And, even worse, what if these people enjoyed it. They drank it by the gallon even though theyre drinking piss.

Wouldnt you feel compelled to tell these people: "Hey! Youre drinking piss! Thats not beer; this used to be a good brewery, now theyre pissing in your mouth and youre loving it!"

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

Deus Ex fans just hate it when others like IW. Guess what, I like IW more than the first as well. I think it is time to step down of ya'lls mighty throne :roll: We don't have to like the same **** as you.

Animatronic64

Imagine a world where there is a brewery that makes the most wonderful beer in the world. Its malty, has a good balance of hops, and is refreshing and wholesome. Everyone likes it, from Joe Sixpack to the harshest critics out there.

What if one day your beloved brewery started to bottle piss instead and sell it to people. And, even worse, what if these people enjoyed it. They drank it by the gallon even though theyre drinking piss.

Wouldnt you feel compelled to tell these people: "Hey! Youre drinking piss! Thats not beer; this used to be a good brewery, now theyre pissing in your mouth and youre loving it!"

it is if people spend their money on piss and not on good beer :(

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Imagine a world where there is a brewery that makes the most wonderful beer in the world. Its malty, has a good balance of hops, and is refreshing and wholesome. Everyone likes it, from Joe Sixpack to the harshest critics out there.

What if one day your beloved brewery started to bottle piss instead and sell it to people. And, even worse, what if these people enjoyed it. They drank it by the gallon even though theyre drinking piss.

Wouldnt you feel compelled to tell these people: "Hey! Youre drinking piss! Thats not beer; this used to be a good brewery, now theyre pissing in your mouth and youre loving it!"

mrbojangles25

it is if people spend their money on piss and not on good beer :(

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]

Deus Ex fans just hate it when others like IW. Guess what, I like IW more than the first as well. I think it is time to step down of ya'lls mighty throne :roll: We don't have to like the same **** as you.

mrbojangles25

Imagine a world where there is a brewery that makes the most wonderful beer in the world. Its malty, has a good balance of hops, and is refreshing and wholesome. Everyone likes it, from Joe Sixpack to the harshest critics out there.

What if one day your beloved brewery started to bottle piss instead and sell it to people. And, even worse, what if these people enjoyed it. They drank it by the gallon even though theyre drinking piss.

Wouldnt you feel compelled to tell these people: "Hey! Youre drinking piss! Thats not beer; this used to be a good brewery, now theyre pissing in your mouth and youre loving it!"

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]Good beer isn't going anywhere, though.

Animatronic64

it is if people spend their money on piss and not on good beer :(

oh I thought we were still talking about my analogy lol, not beer in reality.

Hell yeah, in fact, studies show that Micro- and Craft-brewed beer sales are up like 10%, whereas the sales of macrbrewed beer (coors, bud, etc) are down.

I never have problems finding good beer; I dont get a lot of the good Northern California stuff, just a little, but yeah overall I could not be happier as far as my beer life is going.

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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

it is if people spend their money on piss and not on good beer :(

mrbojangles25

oh I thought we were still talking about my analogy lol, not beer in reality.

Hell yeah, in fact, studies show that Micro- and Craft-brewed beer sales are up like 10%, whereas the sales of macrbrewed beer (coors, bud, etc) are down.

I never have problems finding good beer; I dont get a lot of the good Northern California stuff, just a little, but yeah overall I could not be happier as far as my beer life is going.

You work in a brewery, don't you Bojangle?

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[QUOTE="Animatronic64"]I don't know what the market is like these days, but it seems like good beer has been around forever. I have no trouble buying my favorite beers, despite the popularity of piss like Budlight and Budweiser.

StrawberryHill

oh I thought we were still talking about my analogy lol, not beer in reality.

Hell yeah, in fact, studies show that Micro- and Craft-brewed beer sales are up like 10%, whereas the sales of macrbrewed beer (coors, bud, etc) are down.

I never have problems finding good beer; I dont get a lot of the good Northern California stuff, just a little, but yeah overall I could not be happier as far as my beer life is going.

You work in a brewery, don't you Bojangle?

yup. brewmaster

Invisible War was an oversimplified pile of garbage, I'm sorry, the levels were smaller, the skill system died, the interface was shoehorned in from the xbox, the story was good yes, and the graphics improved, but that is all it had going for it. It got consolized in the worst way, thankfully the team behind Human Revolution has echoed this sentiment and is using the original as the guideline.

Imagine a world where there is a brewery that makes the most wonderful beer in the world. Its malty, has a good balance of hops, and is refreshing and wholesome. Everyone likes it, from Joe Sixpack to the harshest critics out there.

What if one day your beloved brewery started to bottle piss instead and sell it to people. And, even worse, what if these people enjoyed it. They drank it by the gallon even though theyre drinking piss.

Wouldnt you feel compelled to tell these people: "Hey! Youre drinking piss! Thats not beer; this used to be a good brewery, now theyre pissing in your mouth and youre loving it!"

mrbojangles25

The problem is that some people like the new "piss" because the old brew is too rough for them. Kinda like my situation with oblivion and morrowind :lol:

dakan45

Invisible War wasn't a bad game, per se. It's just that it was a big disappointment when compared to Deus Ex original. It wasn't the kind of sequel a game of that stature deserved. Perhaps it can be partly blamed on being developed for the Xbox original, and having all of those hard loading screens all over the place, but I think that it also suffered from a lack of originality. That and the crazy optical-overlay and the universal ammunition which made zero sense.