Which game do you think is better ?
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The disparity in quality between these two games is utterly monumental - this thread is paradoxical because trying to compare such an awesome game with such a mediocre one should not be physically possible.
As for your question? Deus Ex is better than Fallout 3.
The games are absolute opposites. Deus Ex is an FPS with RPG elements, whereas Fallout 3 is an RPG with FPS elements. It's unreasonable to try and compare the two.JN_Fenrir
Just by that description, I wouldn't call them "Absolute" opposites. I'd think a racing game would be more opposite than either of those games, for example.
The games are absolute opposites. Deus Ex is an FPS with RPG elements, whereas Fallout 3 is an RPG with FPS elements. It's unreasonable to try and compare the two.JN_FenrirNo they are close enough in type of game to compare. Though comparing anything to Deus Ex is silly if you ask me.
Which game do you think is better ?
Zensword
I love both games but if you forced me to play one of them only I would say Fallout 3. Both are on my top 10 list though.
old school pc gamers will always say dues ex, I can respect that, for me I loved fallout3 and hated dues ex.
A lot of Fallout 3 hate on here. I have to support the underdog. Fallout 3 doesn't have a great storyline, but it's a phenomenal game.
Not just old school gamers dude. It truly is a masterpiece.old school pc gamers will always say dues ex, I can respect that, for me I loved fallout3 and hated dues ex.
Advid-Gamer
Deus Ex. Fall Out 3 sucks as it is. No need to compare it to a godly game.KHAndAnimeWhen you say Fallout 3 sucks, you are no different from Dakan.
[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Deus Ex. Fall Out 3 sucks as it is. No need to compare it to a godly game.chandu83When you say Fallout 3 sucks, you are no different from Dakan.
Combat in Fallout 3 sucks and the engine the game is run on is terrible.
When you say Fallout 3 sucks, you are no different from Dakan.[QUOTE="chandu83"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Deus Ex. Fall Out 3 sucks as it is. No need to compare it to a godly game.Remmib
Combat in Fallout 3 sucks and the engine the game is run on is terrible.
Combat after you hit level 6 fine. I wasn't much of a fan of it either, but now I am liking it.[QUOTE="JN_Fenrir"]The games are absolute opposites. Deus Ex is an FPS with RPG elements, whereas Fallout 3 is an RPG with FPS elements. It's unreasonable to try and compare the two.millerlight89No they are close enough in type of game to compare. Though comparing anything to Deus Ex is silly if you ask me. Deus Ex is a completely linear game that gives you some control over how the story progresses. Fallout 3 is a huge, open world that you are free to interact with however you'd like, yet includes a main storyline to play through if you want. The trade-off is obvious: Deus Ex is far more focused, and thus has infinitely better storytelling, whereas Fallout 3 has a far bigger and more interactive world, and thus has infinitely better gameplay. Which game is "better" depends entirely on the tastes of the individual. To give another example: it's kind of like comparing Far Cry to Just Cause. Even though the games have many similarities, their core design is different enough that comparing them isn't really fair. Forgoing objectivity for a moment, however, I have to say that Fallout 3 gets a lot of harsh criticism that it really doesn't deserve. And I can certainly tell you which game I had more fun playing. I still wouldn't compare the two though. But meh, looks like I'm outvoted here anyway. :P
[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="JN_Fenrir"]The games are absolute opposites. Deus Ex is an FPS with RPG elements, whereas Fallout 3 is an RPG with FPS elements. It's unreasonable to try and compare the two.JN_FenrirNo they are close enough in type of game to compare. Though comparing anything to Deus Ex is silly if you ask me. Deus Ex is a completely linear game that gives you some control over how the story progresses. Fallout 3 is a huge, open world that you are free to interact with however you'd like, yet includes a main storyline to play through if you want. The trade-off is obvious: Deus Ex is far more focused, and thus has infinitely better storytelling, whereas Fallout 3 has a far bigger and more interactive world, and thus has infinitely better gameplay. Which game is "better" depends entirely on the tastes of the individual. To give another example: it's kind of like comparing Far Cry to Just Cause. Even though the games have many similarities, their core design is different enough that comparing them isn't really fair. Forgoing objectivity for a moment, however, I have to say that Fallout 3 gets a lot of harsh criticism that it really doesn't deserve. And I can certainly tell you which game I had more fun playing. I still wouldn't compare the two though. But meh, looks like I'm outvoted here anyway. :P I completely agree with you. I love Deus Ex, but Fallout 3 is NOT a bad game. Its amazing at what it does.
[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Deus Ex. Fall Out 3 sucks as it is. No need to compare it to a godly game.chandu83When you say Fallout 3 sucks, you are no different from Dakan.
Deus ex is better, but fallout 3 is propably the best game in this gen that is close enough to fallout 3. Alot of people will say "deux ex, fallout 3 is crap" Etc,etc, first we all know fallout 3 is an amazing game. But les focus on what it does better than deus ex that should give it credits.
It has more dialogues and choices than deus ex, it has much bigger maps with much more playing time. It allows you to change your characters apperance in terms of clothes, you can play as a female. It has levels, so you upgrade with without doing specific stats such as completing every objective and exploring every are just ot get skill points. Also it has more weapons and personally i think it has better weapons and the player will witch between them more often to get past various situations than deus ex. Also it has better enemy types and better atmosphere also the lockpicking system is better and a better inventory system in my opinion.
Now lets talk about the similarities: both have an fps/rpg upgrading system in which you upgrade stuff such as lockpicking, hacking, medic and various weapon types, in both games you can play semi-stealthy , in both games you can lockpick a door or open it via hacking a computer (however in deus ex you can sometimes blow it up) in both games you can heal induvidual body part. talk to npcs and use grenades/mines to fight various enemies or disable traps.(In fallout 3 however you can repair items which for me is a very important thing and i cant believe they did not do it in the first 2 games, atleast there is soemthing that is better than fallout 2. No?)
They are pretty similar So i have to say i liked more deus ex.
[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Deus Ex. Fall Out 3 sucks as it is. No need to compare it to a godly game.chandu83When you say Fallout 3 sucks, you are no different from Dakan.
Both you and him are utterly wrong. Fallout 3 is known to be a great game, have reasons for not liking it? Thats fine, the game not beeing that great? That is also fine, but you cant say it sucks just like that, thats pure bias.
Now you are wrong too, because i never said a game sucks, never. Not even once. Infact i never said a game is plain bad either. I dont know from where the hell did that came from but you better take it back. If it makes no diffirence to you, then i am gonna start saying "game sucks" and make you realize the diffirence.
Let's just say that if I had to choose between the two I would pick Deus Ex.
They are indeed very different games; Fallout 3 has a longer play time, better visuals and better combat. However, I am unhealthily attached to the older game, the story and setting of which I enjoy much more, not to mention the ambition behind its gameplay philosophy.
When you say Fallout 3 sucks, you are no different from Dakan.[QUOTE="chandu83"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Deus Ex. Fall Out 3 sucks as it is. No need to compare it to a godly game.KHAndAnime
In what way is it a technical achievement? You try creating a game that has half the scope of Fallout 3 and then we will talk. I am a software engineering (not a programmer) and I know what it takes to create something like this.
If you don't want to pay for a game, that is your prerogative as a customer, but to deny that the game is not a technical accomplishment, is utter ignorance.
I am no Fallout 3 fanboy by the way. Barely started playing it 4 days ago. The point, whether or not it appeals to you, the game is extremely well made.
For me its Deus Ex that takes the cake in this one, Not that I dislike FO3 (I like it alot, and love some of the dlc), But fallout 3 has the same problems as Oblivion had:
It is a big huge world, but very limited in tilesets, so it kills off some of the fun of exploring when so many things look the same (I do respect the fact that fixing this problem would be a huge task).
The engine itself in FO3 has some serious problems, just as it did in Oblivion, things feels like they have no mass, and movement always feels and looks wrong (not your own, the opponants). And to me FO3s scale was too small.
Deus ex has its own list of shortcommings, the graphical engine for one was pretty much outdated when it came out, Not that I mind it, but alot of people do and did, there is a destinct lack of information on how the game is playied, but that too is just a matter of learning the ropes.
it is sometimes dreadful liniar, but the story can be manipulated by the player.
To me it always comes down to the story and plot, and that the envioment/world convays the emotions and supports the plot nicely aswell, nowadays they call it Immersion, but I consider it something else, namely the art of having the world fit together, not having a string of set pieces.
FO3s team did like making FO3 I think, but had both budget and time restrictions on thier hands, which shows overshooting a bit, but having great asperations is not a bad thing.
Oh and dont pick on Daken ;) Me and hm are usually on complete opposites of what games we like and what games we dislike, but Ive never seen him call a game trash, he just states that he does not like said game, which is atleast an honest oppinion.
[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="JN_Fenrir"]The games are absolute opposites. Deus Ex is an FPS with RPG elements, whereas Fallout 3 is an RPG with FPS elements. It's unreasonable to try and compare the two.JN_FenrirNo they are close enough in type of game to compare. Though comparing anything to Deus Ex is silly if you ask me. Deus Ex is a completely linear game that gives you some control over how the story progresses. Fallout 3 is a huge, open world that you are free to interact with however you'd like, yet includes a main storyline to play through if you want. The trade-off is obvious: Deus Ex is far more focused, and thus has infinitely better storytelling, whereas Fallout 3 has a far bigger and more interactive world, and thus has infinitely better gameplay. Which game is "better" depends entirely on the tastes of the individual. To give another example: it's kind of like comparing Far Cry to Just Cause. Even though the games have many similarities, their core design is different enough that comparing them isn't really fair. Forgoing objectivity for a moment, however, I have to say that Fallout 3 gets a lot of harsh criticism that it really doesn't deserve. And I can certainly tell you which game I had more fun playing. I still wouldn't compare the two though. But meh, looks like I'm outvoted here anyway. :P Well said. It's sad seeing some of the comments here...but that's game forums for you.
[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Deus Ex is superior in every possible aspect. Bros89
nope, graphics anyone?:D
Or world size? Open ended exploration? Amount of quests? Dialog options?[QUOTE="Bros89"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Deus Ex is superior in every possible aspect. Renevent42
nope, graphics anyone?:D
Or world size? Open ended exploration? Amount of quests? Dialog options? Or how the hell is the better rpg with so few dialog options ? :P[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="JN_Fenrir"]The games are absolute opposites. Deus Ex is an FPS with RPG elements, whereas Fallout 3 is an RPG with FPS elements. It's unreasonable to try and compare the two.JN_FenrirNo they are close enough in type of game to compare. Though comparing anything to Deus Ex is silly if you ask me. Deus Ex is a completely linear game that gives you some control over how the story progresses. Fallout 3 is a huge, open world that you are free to interact with however you'd like, yet includes a main storyline to play through if you want. The trade-off is obvious: Deus Ex is far more focused, and thus has infinitely better storytelling, whereas Fallout 3 has a far bigger and more interactive world, and thus has infinitely better gameplay. Which game is "better" depends entirely on the tastes of the individual. To give another example: it's kind of like comparing Far Cry to Just Cause. Even though the games have many similarities, their core design is different enough that comparing them isn't really fair. Forgoing objectivity for a moment, however, I have to say that Fallout 3 gets a lot of harsh criticism that it really doesn't deserve. And I can certainly tell you which game I had more fun playing. I still wouldn't compare the two though. But meh, looks like I'm outvoted here anyway. :P
what does "gameplay" even mean here? do we all agree upon the meaning of that word? or the quality of gameplay is also dependent upon individual tastes...and if it's all about different tastes, Fallout 3 deserves every bit of its criticism from those who dislike it, and the praise from those who like it.
anyway, I've been gaming long enough to see the sandbox/free roaming clan grow and become a self-righteous bunch...thinking open world is automatically better than linear game narrative.
in this case or many others, Fallout 3 throw out a bland and lifeless open world compared to the limited one in Deus Ex; I'll take anytime a well-crafted linear game over a open world game without character.
[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Deus Ex. Fall Out 3 sucks as it is. No need to compare it to a godly game.chandu83When you say Fallout 3 sucks, you are no different from Dakan.
This and Deus Ex can be compared to System Shock 2
What I most dislike about Fallout 3 is the shallow gamestyle. Like some reviewers said: Oblivion with guns. And for me it felt exactly like that!
Yeah, the open, postapocalyptic world is nice to explore, but there is not really an incentive to do so. You get plenty of the same weapons, ammo etc., you stack your items so that the difficulty is simply not there, even on highest settings. Yeah, I know, there are realism mods out there, but I'm speaking of F3 vanilla here. Some of the side quests are cool, but some others are mediocre, at best.
The enemies and characters are somewhat ridiculous for me. Ghouls - interesting... Super mutants? - Oh come on... For a postapocalyptic world I never had the feeling to "be lost" or that I must fight for my damn survival. It was too easy, too generic. VATS was a nice feature, but it made the game too easy. On the other hand, playing without VATS wasn't difficult, either.
And the story .... hm, well, there are worse, but also much better stories in games out there. Funny note: These days I read an article on a gaming website, with the topic of kinda like "How games are able to tell us a great, emotional story - on the example of Fallout 3" and I thought: Man, they never played a game with a REAL GOOD story?!?!
Overall, Fallout 3 isn't a bad game or rpg, but amongst the best of all time, where Deus Ex undeniably belongs to: NO WAY!
[QUOTE="skrat_01"]DEUS EX. This isn't even a competition, Fallout 3 is a spin on the Deus Ex design formula, let alone an inferior role playing game. Renevent42And what formula would that be? The games on a fundamental level are very different...when thinking about similar games to Fall Out 3 who would even think of Dues Ex? Very different design formula/philosophies...Bethesda followed the Iron Storm school of merging a stats driven shooter with role playing elements, which has been popping up more frequently in the last few years, as the System Shock series did before it. All in order to sell itself to a wider demographic of gamer, ala the shooter crowd.
Real time direct input and a focus on the first person perspective can be a major draw-card for many. Oh yes there are massive differences between the two, however there are influences from down the line are there.
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