Developers... STOP REMOVING LAN GAMEMODES!

I just realized how many games don't offer true lan or just don't offer lan at all anymore.

Two notable ones are Company of Heroes and Dawn of War 2. My friends come over for an 8 player match at CoH (we all have legit copies). We try to connect to relic online and only 5 of us can be connected at the same time. Apparently relic online doesn't allow more than 5 connections per IP Address.

Also I usually have to move the router so we can all connect to it, so I have to unhook the i-net. With that we can't even play those games LAN.

When games don't have offline LAN (aka real LAN) then they instantly won't be played in LANs (cough starcraft 2 cough). I know some people will say yeah they'll still play starcraft 2 online... well playing online is way weaker than actually seeing the face of your opponent as you kick his ass.

As Piracy rises, features such as these are dropped.

As Piracy rises, features such as these are dropped.

lucky326

i plan to buy it i like to support companies i like and games i like as well

This is absolutely correct.

I was really dissapointed when I heard that Starcraft 2 would not have any LAN support. Playing Starcraft on a LAN is one of the primary reasons why the game was so successful, its stupid to remove the series' defining feature.

how about someone remake the online play mod for warcraft 2 (non -bet edition) for them haha.. o wait thats right no one thinks of using 3rd party :P

This is absolutely correct.

I was really dissapointed when I heard that Starcraft 2 would not have any LAN support. Playing Starcraft on a LAN is one of the primary reasons why the game was so successful, its stupid to remove the series' defining feature.

Fredrick2003x

Yeah...lan is really what defined SC :roll:

LAN was simply a popular multiplayer option for a great game during a time when the intranet and online gaming was young.

Yeah...lan is really what defined SC :roll:

LAN was simply a popular multiplayer option for a great game during a time when the intranet and online gaming was young.

dnuggs40

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Yeah...lan is really what defined SC :roll:

LAN was simply a popular multiplayer option for a great game during a time when the intranet and online gaming was young.

dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Yeah...lan is really what defined SC :roll:

LAN was simply a popular multiplayer option for a great game during a time when the intranet and online gaming was young.

DanielDust

This is absolutely correct.

I was really dissapointed when I heard that Starcraft 2 would not have any LAN support. Playing Starcraft on a LAN is one of the primary reasons why the game was so successful, its stupid to remove the series' defining feature.

Fredrick2003x

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Yeah...lan is really what defined SC :roll:

LAN was simply a popular multiplayer option for a great game during a time when the intranet and online gaming was young.

DanielDust

Yeah 5 years ago, what do you thought, to play sc even today? Many people play either line age or wow or counterstrike in internet cafes with friends instead of staying inside their home. But i guess that aint gonna happen with sc2.

[QUOTE="Fredrick2003x"]

This is absolutely correct.

I was really dissapointed when I heard that Starcraft 2 would not have any LAN support. Playing Starcraft on a LAN is one of the primary reasons why the game was so successful, its stupid to remove the series' defining feature.

kieranb2000

I think they actually scrapped that...but like said before the people who play in cafe's will still be able to play.

Yeah 5 years ago, what do accept, to play sc even today? Many people play either line age or wow or counterstrike in internet cafes with friends instead of staying inside their home. But i guess that aint gonna happen with sc2.dakan45

Why won't people be able to play SC2 in cafe's?

[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="Fredrick2003x"]

This is absolutely correct.

I was really dissapointed when I heard that Starcraft 2 would not have any LAN support. Playing Starcraft on a LAN is one of the primary reasons why the game was so successful, its stupid to remove the series' defining feature.

dnuggs40

Yes, to play the game you will have to buy the game...which is exactly the intent of what Blizzard is doing. And it's smart...and don't be surprised as more and more companies stop supporting LAN due to things like Hamachi and rising rates of piracy.

Anyways, I think with your last statement what's clear is this has nothing to do with what "defined SC2" and everything to do with your purse/wallet/whatever.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="dakan45"] Yeah but can i play a Lan battle with friends at an internet cafe or at our own lan room? If yes then its ok.dakan45

And here we have the grand reason it has been taken out in the first place.

Yes, to play the game you will have to buy the game...which is exactly the intent of what Blizzard is doing. And it's smart...and don't be surprised as more and more companies stop supporting LAN due to things like Hamachi and rising rates of piracy.

Anyways, I think with your last statement what's clear is this has nothing to do with what "defined SC2" and everything to do with your purse/wallet/whatever.

dnuggs40

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"] Yes, you will still be able to play with friends in cafe's...lucky326

And here we have the grand reason it has been taken out in the first place.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Yes, to play the game you will have to buy the game...which is exactly the intent of what Blizzard is doing. And it's smart...and don't be surprised as more and more companies stop supporting LAN due to things like Hamachi and rising rates of piracy.

Anyways, I think with your last statement what's clear is this has nothing to do with what "defined SC2" and everything to do with your purse/wallet/whatever.

dakan45

Well we had fun with my friends, i guess now its gonna be a little more complicated to play with my friends due to piracy, nothing new that hasnt been done before in pc gaming in order to find piracy.

It's not more complicated at all...it's easy setting up games on B.Net. The only difference is that you will all have to buy the game (instead of share one copy...ie piracy).

What you're saying is EXACTLY why Blizzard is going this route.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Yes, to play the game you will have to buy the game...which is exactly the intent of what Blizzard is doing. And it's smart...and don't be surprised as more and more companies stop supporting LAN due to things like Hamachi and rising rates of piracy.

Anyways, I think with your last statement what's clear is this has nothing to do with what "defined SC2" and everything to do with your purse/wallet/whatever.

dnuggs40

Well we had fun with my friends, i guess now its gonna be a little more complicated to play with my friends due to piracy, nothing new that hasnt been done before in pc gaming in order to find piracy.

It's not more complicated at all...it's easy setting up games on B.Net. The only difference is that you will all have to buy the game (instead of share one copy...ie piracy).

What you're saying is EXACTLY why Blizzard is going this route.

[QUOTE="lucky326"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] But not in our lan room without having enough original copies of sc2.dakan45

And here we have the grand reason it has been taken out in the first place.

Incorrect, a Co-op game would be a single game with an option for 2 players to play on the same screen together.

SC2 isn't an FPS or Action game, it's an RTS therefore meaning to have a 2 player on a single game would be infeasable and the only option is to have more than one copy. When you buy a copy of a game you legally buy the right to play on it yourself.

I saw a couple of posts saying you can do the virtual lan thing by doing b.net and then joining each others game so your pings are all low.

There's a problem with that! Company of Heroes was supposed to be the same way. When you connect through Relic Online, B.net or one of those similar services, there is always an issue with IP limits or Port Forwarding. Trust me I've seen it all too much.

By the way blizzard is just being dumb. A rediculous amount of players were going to buy starcraft 2 and they knew this, but blizzard has become a cash cow since the WoW era and now they want to squeeze every penny out of our pockets. Only thing this causes is less people buying it and more pirating it out of anger.

Hackers can break through anything and it'll only be a matter of time before they have B.net server emulators and then everybody will be playing star craft 2 online easier than they would have via hamachi.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="lucky326"]

And here we have the grand reason it has been taken out in the first place.

lucky326

Incorrect, a Co-op game would be a single game with an option for 2 players to play on the same screen together.

SC2 isn't an FPS or Action game, it's an RTS therefore meaning to have a 2 player on a single game would be infeasable and the only option is to have more than one copy. When you buy a copy of a game you legally buy the right to play on it yourself.

I saw a couple of posts saying you can do the virtual lan thing by doing b.net and then joining each others game so your pings are all low.

There's a problem with that! Company of Heroes was supposed to be the same way. When you connect through Relic Online, B.net or one of those similar services, there is always an issue with IP limits or Port Forwarding. Trust me I've seen it all too much.

By the way blizzard is just being dumb. A rediculous amount of players were going to buy starcraft 2 and they knew this, but blizzard has become a cash cow since the WoW era and now they want to squeeze every penny out of our pockets. Only thing this causes is less people buying it and more pirating it out of anger.

Hackers can break through anything and it'll only be a matter of time before they have B.net server emulators and then everybody will be playing star craft 2 online easier than they would have via hamachi.

simardbrad

I frankly can't see why do you say that they want to squeeze every penny out of our pockets, it seems more than right to me that every person must have his own copy in order to play the game.

And B.net emulators are illegal.

LAN emulators aren't.

I leave it up to you to guess what this implies.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Yeah...lan is really what defined SC :roll:

LAN was simply a popular multiplayer option for a great game during a time when the intranet and online gaming was young.

dakan45

once again its not the fact of owning your own legit copy... its the fact that you shouldn't have to be hooked up to the internet to play a LAN Game, like I said... I'm sick of port forwarding issues, they occur way too much.

COD 4 and COD 5 playing 2 legit coppies over the internet, one cannot connect but the other can.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

Yeah...lan is really what defined SC :roll:

LAN was simply a popular multiplayer option for a great game during a time when the intranet and online gaming was young.

blade55555

Nah, by in large the people who would consider pirating would do so anyways. There's no principles...it's a matter of getting something for nothing with no threat of consequences. The difference now is pirates won't be playing "lan" online with hamachi, and maybe some will considering buying it instead of pirating if they feel multiplayer is worth it.dnuggs40

Pirates don't need lan functions to play games online. Even Steam games can be hacked so that you can play them online. MMOs, games you would think you would need to have an authentic copy to do anything with, can be hacked such that a pirated copy can be played online.

Getting rid of LAN only hurts legit customers. The pirates will just use a variety of means to play the game online anyway.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]Nah, by in large the people who would consider pirating would do so anyways. There's no principles...it's a matter of getting something for nothing with no threat of consequences. The difference now is pirates won't be playing "lan" online with hamachi, and maybe some will considering buying it instead of pirating if they feel multiplayer is worth it.gameguy6700

Pirates don't need lan functions to play games online. Even Steam games can be hacked so that you can play them online. MMOs, games you would think you would need to have an authentic copy to do anything with, can be hacked such that a pirated copy can be played online.

Getting rid of LAN only hurts legit customers. The pirates will just use a variety of means to play the game online anyway.

Playing steam games online and playing b.net game is different...and regardless playing steam games online illegitimately requires somewhat more knowledge than the average pirate has. It's possible...just not as wide spread. That's what you guys don't realize...this has nothing to do with making something impossible...it's simply about minimizing risk and impact. And I'd wager it's going to take pirates quite a while to be able to play online...WoW was eventually emulated but it wasn't right away...and that's all Blizzard is hoping for.dnuggs40

Not only that, private WoW servers aren't against the law, emulating B.net, instead, IS illegal.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]Nah, by in large the people who would consider pirating would do so anyways. There's no principles...it's a matter of getting something for nothing with no threat of consequences. The difference now is pirates won't be playing "lan" online with hamachi, and maybe some will considering buying it instead of pirating if they feel multiplayer is worth it.dnuggs40

Pirates don't need lan functions to play games online. Even Steam games can be hacked so that you can play them online. MMOs, games you would think you would need to have an authentic copy to do anything with, can be hacked such that a pirated copy can be played online.

Getting rid of LAN only hurts legit customers. The pirates will just use a variety of means to play the game online anyway.

While it's true that it does help deter some pirates who don't have enough knowledge to get a pirated game online, one has to wonder if the cost is worth it. Pirating, patching, and cracking a game isn't a difficult task for the end user. Just about every pirated game these days come with detailed instructions and automated crack tools such that as long as you can read and follow directions, you can fully pirate any game. On the otherhand, getting rid of LAN turns off a large amount of the consumer base, especially in games like Starcraft 2 where much of the community revolves around LAN parties and competitions. IMO I really don't think that the amount of thwarted pirates comes close to approaching the number of lost customers.

And speaking of Starcraft 2, this thread has really reminded me of this video.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

Pirates don't need lan functions to play games online. Even Steam games can be hacked so that you can play them online. MMOs, games you would think you would need to have an authentic copy to do anything with, can be hacked such that a pirated copy can be played online.

Getting rid of LAN only hurts legit customers. The pirates will just use a variety of means to play the game online anyway.

gameguy6700

While it's true that it does help deter some pirates who don't have enough knowledge to get a pirated game online, one has to wonder if the cost is worth it. Pirating, patching, and cracking a game isn't a difficult task for the end user. Just about every pirated game these days come with detailed instructions and automated crack tools such that as long as you can read and follow directions, you can fully pirate any game. On the otherhand, getting rid of LAN turns off a large amount of the consumer base, especially in games like Starcraft 2 where much of the community revolves around LAN parties and competitions. IMO I really don't think that the amount of thwarted pirates comes close to approaching the number of lost customers.

And speaking of Starcraft 2, this thread has really reminded me of this video.

For Starcraft 2 i don't see it making a difference in sales.

Maybe some people will claim boycott but they will still buy it.

No one would claim boycott if they weren't a huge fan already.

Thats like me claiming boycott on sparkling water. i don't drink it, its gross,so why would my boycott matter?

it wouldn't. Blizzard won't lose fans over this LAN decision.