Developing rage for consoles was a mistake.

I was suspecting something along these lines. John Carmack is many things, but a fool is not one of them.

Making mistakes is what makes us human, but admitting them and learning is another thing all together. I'll keep a closer eye on future ID products as a result of his "stronger PC focus" for future titles.

This is so old. Him saying that a couple of months before release is why I didn't get the game at launch, and I'm glad I didn't.nintendog66

The man speaks the truth. I'll probably buy Rage though. It looks fun.

Meh, I don't get the hype and why he is held so high. Ok he did something great long ago, but I havent seen anythig impressive in many many years. Clearly Rage has issues. I think him and Id are given too much credit, and yet devs like DICE get crapped on for having a few issues in a beta :P.

Meh, I don't get the hype and why he is held so high. Ok he did something great long ago, but I havent seen anythig impressive in many many years. Clearly Rage has issues. I think him and Id are given too much credit, and yet devs like DICE get crapped on for having a few issues in a beta :P.

NaveedLife

He's a technological genius, that's why. No one is as knowledgeable as him in the industry. Two of his engines are still being used in games today, and id tech 4 just went open source (Which means Activision can finally upgrade!)

Also, Carmack's reaction :P But seriously this is old news.

Not gonna read it if it's from Carmack.

He's the one that said, PC games aren't relevant anymore, it's the consoles now, Rage will be a console game that we'll put on PC and people will enjoy because they enjoy id. This Carmack thing's getting old, he's pretty much like a random guy from the corner of a random street that goes "I know the future, I am brilliant, worship me"...dude, shut up, you're too loud.

I'll be getting Rage, but I really couldn't care less about what Carmack thinks, id isn't what they used to be, this is just a "regular title", not some godly creation of the almighty id.

My impression of him these years is similar to Intel when they laughed at Nvidia that they'll make a CPU capable of performing way better at graphics, faith laughed at them after, because they didn't know what they were thinking.

I honestly thought this game was built with PC as its lead platform. I guess I was wrong but this clears things up.

Well another one bites the dust (iD). It was fun while we had Wolfenstein, Doom and Quake.

I live in Dallas Texas. Id's office used to be in the same building as my dentist up until a few months ago. I saw Carmack getting his teeth cleaned once. fo serious

Limiting the hardware has resulted in my problems... who knew? Releasing the game in this state was the mistake.

I live in Dallas Texas. Id's office used to be in the same building as my dentist up until a few months ago. I saw Carmack getting his teeth cleaned once. fo serious

jettpack

Meh, I don't get the hype and why he is held so high. Ok he did something great long ago, but I havent seen anythig impressive in many many years. Clearly Rage has issues. I think him and Id are given too much credit, and yet devs like DICE get crapped on for having a few issues in a beta :P.

NaveedLife

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Meh, I don't get the hype and why he is held so high. Ok he did something great long ago, but I havent seen anythig impressive in many many years. Clearly Rage has issues. I think him and Id are given too much credit, and yet devs like DICE get crapped on for having a few issues in a beta :P.

Zubinen

You people seriously make me LOL. You're no worse than the media when the Dallas Cowboys win or lose a football game. One minute Tony Romo "IS THE GUY" the next minute "Nah, he's not, he sucks." My opinion of Carmack is at an all time low. I don't get how you guys can be so naieve the guy just screwed us with RAGE, no graphic options, texture pop-in like crazy. It would make perfect sense for him to mention how much better PC's are and that he's going to start focuses on PC's first and foremost. Why? Because he wants YOU to buy Rage, and he wants YOU to buy his next titles. This is no different than the political garbage that goes on during election year. They're going to tell you what you want to hear while continuously screwing you around every corner, every chance they get.

Believe what you will, but the guy is trying to save himself from the ruthlessness of the PC community, because he knows he did something terrible with Rage. So he can go get bent as far as I'm concerned until I actually see something great that comes from ID soon. Which for the record guys, is not going to happen, his interview was a ploy to get you to buy his crappy PC title Rage, and upcoming crappy titles.

So basically, id tech 5's virtual texture technology allows artists to make games look as good as their concept art as possible? Because that would any artists' dream come true. If so, that sounds really impressive on paper, but like you said, graphics drivers need to be updated.Elann2008

What id needed was a bigger team. They were less than 30 people until 18 months ago or so. That's why the game is so late that imbeciles can give it low scores because it "steals from Borderlands and Fallout 3".

As for people complaining about low textures - Carmack said the future may bring an update. But please, every rig struggles with the current set of textures. The technology is ahead of its time.

Meh, I don't get the hype and why he is held so high. Ok he did something great long ago, but I havent seen anythig impressive in many many years.

NaveedLife

Being a rocket scientist isn't impressive enough?

Didn't Carmack say PC games were not relevant anymore?MythPro1

Didn't Carmack say PC games were not relevant anymore?MythPro1

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]So basically, id tech 5's virtual texture technology allows artists to make games look as good as their concept art as possible? Because that would any artists' dream come true. If so, that sounds really impressive on paper, but like you said, graphics drivers need to be updated.Baranga

What id needed was a bigger team. They were less than 30 people until 18 months ago or so. That's why the game is so late that imbeciles can give it low scores because it "steals from Borderlands and Fallout 3".

As for people complaining about low textures - Carmack said the future may bring an update. But please, every rig struggles with the current set of textures. The technology is ahead of its time.

Ehh, not quite, the PC version is a mess.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]So basically, id tech 5's virtual texture technology allows artists to make games look as good as their concept art as possible? Because that would any artists' dream come true. If so, that sounds really impressive on paper, but like you said, graphics drivers need to be updated.Baranga

What id needed was a bigger team. They were less than 30 people until 18 months ago or so. That's why the game is so late that imbeciles can give it low scores because it "steals from Borderlands and Fallout 3".

As for people complaining about low textures - Carmack said the future may bring an update. But please, every rig struggles with the current set of textures. The technology is ahead of its time.

What's wrong is my friend has it on 360 and has no issues. Now he is telling me that his 360 is better and more powerful than my i7 with dual GTX580's. All because I encounter stutter and texture issues.
He is laughing at me because all this time I have told him PC is superior.
I know PC is, however ID programmers/devs are the failures here. And ID stop pointing fingers at ATI/nVidia, haven't you heard the word "test/QA"?

Not sure what he meant by "arms-length API interface [on PC]" when he also use the same "arms-length API interface [on console]". magicalclick

[QUOTE="magicalclick"]Not sure what he meant by "arms-length API interface [on PC]" when he also use the same "arms-length API interface [on console]". osan0

Not sure what you are smoking, but consoles have to make draw calls as well. Their graphics don't just render out of thin air. Consoles have a graphics API very similar to the ones we use on pc.

[QUOTE="osan0"][QUOTE="magicalclick"]Not sure what he meant by "arms-length API interface [on PC]" when he also use the same "arms-length API interface [on console]". simardbrad

Not sure what you are smoking, but consoles have to make draw calls as well. Their graphics don't just render out of thin air. Consoles have a graphics API very similar to the ones we use on pc.

most games we play on PC has a bad touch, or feel about them, if they were developed with a console in mind, I guess the same goes for Rage.

most games we play on PC has a bad touch, or feel about them, if they were developed with a console in mind, I guess the same goes for Rage.

Walincas

[QUOTE="nintendog66"]This is so old. Him saying that a couple of months before release is why I didn't get the game at launch, and I'm glad I didn't.PernicioEnigma

[QUOTE="PernicioEnigma"][QUOTE="nintendog66"]This is so old. Him saying that a couple of months before release is why I didn't get the game at launch, and I'm glad I didn't.vfibsux

So he "may" patch the graphics problem. Wow. I expected the patch to be guaranteed.

The game has gotten average ratings on consoles which was their target audience. The small team excuse just doesn't fly. Valve has had small teams and they have released some near perfect games. Rage is just all around medicore on consoles and bad on PC.

The small team excuse just seems bad. It's not like Id never had a hit game and has no money to hire more people. Even if that was the case I'm sure they can get funding with their reputation. Sounds like to me they wanted to keep their team small. They need to wake up. They need to get with the times, this isn't the 90s anymore with their old gameplay mechanics and fetch quests.

The game has gotten average ratings on consoles which was their target audience. The small team excuse just doesn't fly. Valve has had small teams and they have released some near perfect games. Rage is just all around medicore on consoles and bad on PC.

The small team excuse just seems bad. It's not like Id never had a hit game and has no money to hire more people. Even if that was the case I'm sure they can get funding with their reputation. Sounds like to me they wanted to keep their team small. They need to wake up. They need to get with the times, this isn't the 90s anymore with their old gameplay mechanics and fetch quests.

sleepingzzz

Rage developers should be in a rage because of the poor sales.

What poor sales?

Don't take so long to make and release a game and you have your answer.

Also he's right. Consoles do hold graphics back because everyone is trying to make money for their game, rightly so, and consoles is the place to do that. Imagine what kind of games we would have if the PC was the only method of gaming around.

Don't take so long to make and release a game and you have your answer.

Also he's right. Consoles do hold graphics back because everyone is trying to make money for their game, rightly so, and consoles is the place to do that. Imagine what kind of games we would have if the PC was the only method of gaming around.

seanmcloughlin

The game has gotten average ratings on consoles which was their target audience. The small team excuse just doesn't fly. Valve has had small teams and they have released some near perfect games. Rage is just all around medicore on consoles and bad on PC.

The small team excuse just seems bad. It's not like Id never had a hit game and has no money to hire more people. Even if that was the case I'm sure they can get funding with their reputation. Sounds like to me they wanted to keep their team small. They need to wake up. They need to get with the times, this isn't the 90s anymore with their old gameplay mechanics and fetch quests.

sleepingzzz

CS:GO, again, it's far from impressive, more like a general update to CS:S than a rebuild, still, no impressive graphics or anything.

Most of the issues in Rage, really seem to be driver issues, sucks to be AMD ( :cry: ). But it's not All id's fault.

The gameplay is great, gunplay lovely, guns are decently varied, ai very good and enemy composition varies as well as how the ai responds in general, animations extremely good,beautiful art style to it, though it's a little muddy if you walk too close to stuff.... The story is a joke id's still not gotten that down, fetch quests are pretty dumb, but the gameplay, of all things, is there. ('cept the stupid driving, pure arcade, can't drift, annoying)

Also, about the size of Valve team, just look at their products, it's not 'that' hard, at no point does any of their stuff blow you away. Well executed, but not impressive, that's what Valve is.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Don't take so long to make and release a game and you have your answer.

Also he's right. Consoles do hold graphics back because everyone is trying to make money for their game, rightly so, and consoles is the place to do that. Imagine what kind of games we would have if the PC was the only method of gaming around.

TerrorRizzing

I know there are reasons to go on different platforms etc. etc. im just saying, imagine what it would be like if everyone developed only on PC with that kind of power on tap. Also if everyone was playing on them the prices would be lower for higher end hardware. Look what GG did with Killzone, Epic with Gears 3, ND with uncharted and SSM with God of War III with such old hardware. Imagine what they could do if they only had to develop on PC. without such limits