Dice is the fail

I was watching a streaming clip of BFC2 final and he was looking for the prone, and went into controls and there is no prone FFFFFFFF

Why take this out? How am I supposed to hide from a tank other than get blown to smiterines? And they even said the final game would have prone.

Also I am not sure why people think this is any better than MW2.

Dedicated servers? Yeah they have them, except you have to pay them to host it. They are not releasing binaries so I can't host on my box, wtf is the point of this?

This is what they say about this, what a load of crap:

"Public Server Files:We will not distribute these publicly. There are many factors for why we have decided this with the biggest factor being security & integrity of our game & Dedicated Servers."

Graphically it looks alright, but I am still confused why do people keep thinking this is better than MW2? It's just as bad!

The game is still a lot of fun with no prone. Not having prone eliminates all those campers and bunny hopping so i dont miss it too much. The dedicated servers i can see being needed to some people, but again personally i dont care to much, I can't remember the last time I've hosted a game.albi321

The game is still a lot of fun with no prone. Not having prone eliminates all those campers and bunny hopping so i dont miss it too much. The dedicated servers i can see being needed to some people, but again personally i dont care to much, I can't remember the last time I've hosted a game.albi321

Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2, but despite that.. the game manages to be quite fun in its own way. The dedicated server thing is a little weird as well, but as long as these hosts provide quality servers, I don't have an issue with that method.

I don't really care if there was prone in the game because sinpers would be very hard to see with all the explosions and stuff going on. so i would have to go to every bush to see if there was a sinper. So then i would have to go in a tank and take down all the trees and bushes. Just to make sure there weren't any snipers taking us out. During that time i would be getting shot at by the enemy so the process would take a lot of time and by the time i do this we would probably had to move to the next base if it were Rush mode. So either way it doesn't matter

Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2, but despite that.. the game manages to be quite fun in its own way. The dedicated server thing is a little weird as well, but as long as these hosts provide quality servers, I don't have an issue with that method.

MyopicCanadian

The typical "lame" excuses, it eliminates camping (maybe I played a different beta but every game I played was full of campers, it eliminates nothing), it's to make the game faster (it's to make players want to camp more and they do) and to eliminate dives (which was a technical flaw of BF 2, I'm sure if they think more about it -Dice- they would be capable of implementing a decent prone like all the other 99% games that have prone and can't "dive").

The lack of prone creates two things, campers and makes all the other players want to camp faster.

The only good point of this game is the level design, that's why I'm personally buying it, for the awesome maps, but the gameplay for me was as broken and not really exciting as MW 2 (MW 2 has extremely stupid physics and awkward extremely powerful guns and BC 2 doesn't have prone and it feels way too floaty for its own good). They're using the MW 2 joke way too much in their promotion vids, they did a little better but they're not that much better than IW, at least with this game. BF 3 hopefully will not be like this if they somehow decide to make it on all platforms.

[QUOTE="albi321"]The game is still a lot of fun with no prone. Not having prone eliminates all those campers and bunny hopping so i dont miss it too much. The dedicated servers i can see being needed to some people, but again personally i dont care to much, I can't remember the last time I've hosted a game.Swiftstrike5

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Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2, but despite that.. the game manages to be quite fun in its own way. The dedicated server thing is a little weird as well, but as long as these hosts provide quality servers, I don't have an issue with that method.

Swiftstrike5

bad company 2 is obviously made for kiddies or console fanboys imo. its not suppose to be a semi-realistic type of shooter(which bf2 and its predecessors were), they took out prone as they are going for the run and gun MW2 type of crowd. prone adds alot of dynamics to the fighting, alot more patience is required as well as general intelligence. I play bf2 and PR mod all the time and never have a problem with spotting prones. prone is actually a deathtrap in a sense as you think your unseeable when prone behind a rock or something but thats when u get raped from behind with a knife or get sniped yourself. MAG has prone and i dont hear anyone on those forums complaining about it???these excuses are rediculous.

the devs said it was too hard to code prone in because of destructible inviroments, falling debris on prone guys would get the player stuck etc etc. so basically they are just lazy devs

the hoe will always defend their pimp, remember that.

[QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"][QUOTE="albi321"]The game is still a lot of fun with no prone. Not having prone eliminates all those campers and bunny hopping so i dont miss it too much. The dedicated servers i can see being needed to some people, but again personally i dont care to much, I can't remember the last time I've hosted a game.JigglyWiggly_

Even though you know how to properly run a fast, reliable service some people may not and that might be a lot of people or only a few but i don't think DICE wants to take a chance with it.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"] I don't really want to play off someone's home computer or home server. It's too unreliable and poorly secured in comparison to leased, professional servers. BC2s gameplay and dynamics are far better than MW2, so it's easy for me to ignore the few flaws. ASRCSR

Even though you know how to properly run a fast, reliable service some people may not and that might be a lot of people or only a few but i don't think DICE wants to take a chance with it.

Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

mattuk69

Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

mattuk69

Why is BFBC 2 better than MW2? Simple.

Maximum Players:

MW2 = 16, BC2 = 32

Ability to run dedicated servers, which allows for custom server settings, less latency, and no 0 ping host advantage:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

Ability to choose which game you join:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

Pilotable vehicles:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

Four distinct classes, and each one with their own special role:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

Not made by a company of complete d-bags:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

Having played the beta to Rank 11..I can't really say I miss having prone. Yes, it does result in a different feel & pacing from the previous BF games..and it takes some getting used to, but it's only that..."different" ..not "worse." In instances where you would've needed to go prone in the previous games, you're simply having to do something else (i.e. find low cover and crouch, move behind friendly vehicles.) I'm a big fan of the franchise, and this is really not the huge deal you're making it out to be... >_>;

Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2

MyopicCanadian

Agreed

Say what you want about MW2 but when it comes to the handling of the guns and movement, very few can touch the CoD series.

play the game if you want to actually criticize it.

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2

the_mitch28

Agreed

Say what you want about MW2 but when it comes to the handling of the guns and movement, very few can touch the CoD series.

I was watching a streaming clip of BFC2 final and he was looking for the prone, and went into controls and there is no prone FFFFFFFF

JigglyWiggly_

They explained the reason few months ago: in the consoles, the resolution is low and a prone chacarter is very hard to hit ad distance or with the knife, so they disable prone in order to prevent the matches turning into a camper fest, because they want a faster gameplay with people running to take objectives instead of camping in the Wookie Hill.

And they were successsful: usually the team with more campers is the team that loses the match.

Gun play in BC2 is much better, you have to lead your shots and snipers have gravity to consider when taking a shot, you cant just aim the crosshair on someones head and expect a headshot, you have to aim above and let gravity do the work.JTWibble

Removing prone. Another indication that console gaming is clearly taking gaming backwards instead of forward. What have they added to this game that takes gaming forward?

Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2, but despite that.. the game manages to be quite fun in its own way. The dedicated server thing is a little weird as well, but as long as these hosts provide quality servers, I don't have an issue with that method.

MyopicCanadian

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[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2

kevy619

Agreed

Say what you want about MW2 but when it comes to the handling of the guns and movement, very few can touch the CoD series.

Because the guns handle worse than they should, take up too much room on the screen, takes way too many bullets to down someone. You'd think with the effort they went too to put in semi realistic bullet physics that they'd put in a damage model that makes sense instead it feels like you're shooting mints at the enemy.

The gunplay just isn't as satisfying as it could of been.

[QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2, but despite that.. the game manages to be quite fun in its own way. The dedicated server thing is a little weird as well, but as long as these hosts provide quality servers, I don't have an issue with that method.

JigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"][QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2, but despite that.. the game manages to be quite fun in its own way. The dedicated server thing is a little weird as well, but as long as these hosts provide quality servers, I don't have an issue with that method.

JigglyWiggly_

1. The difference in sensitivity feels better when you scope in.

2. The far end of your gun moves with your mouse, and the close end doesn't rotate that much with it, that makes it feel better.

3 You have a better sense of where your bullets are going because you see blood easier.

4. It takes less bullets to kill someone.

5. It feels like people have more weight to them.

6. Higher DPI mouse have more precise movement when compared to BC2.

I do agree on the fact that no prone was a negative, especially if you were a sniper. Though, I still thought guns handeled better than MW2.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"] Inferior gunplay? How?brandontwb

1. The difference in sensitivity feels better when you scope in.

2. The far end of your gun moves with your mouse, and the close end doesn't rotate that much with it, that makes it feel better.

3 You have a better sense of where your bullets are going because you see blood easier.

4. It takes less bullets to kill someone.

5. It feels like people have more weight to them.

6. Higher DPI mouse have more precise movement when compared to BC2.

Um as a big Battlefield fan let me drop in on this. Back when I rocked bf:vietnam, prone was pure pwnage. You just sit in some shrub somewhere behind a enemy spawn point and could noob snipe people with ease and never be detected or seen as you were in the bush itself. (spawn camping for noobs). To be honest, I could live without prone. If I want to prone, i'll go play america army or arma 2.

Onto the gunpower on sluggishness. I don't think its sluggish one bit. Infact, it feels perfect. The game rewards those who aim. Just going off my experience on the beta, people who sprayed tended to get killed way more often then those who would aim and burst shots at people. I also like that it takes some time to reload as it rewards those who aim. My only slight complaint is that they should speed reload time if you kneel or stop moving opposed to reloading on the run.

I don't remember exactly but isn't there to be a patch upon release to fix/change things base on the results of the beta? I don't specifically remember.

wow, im surprised people are defending mw2... i thought everyone found that it played like a mid 90s light gun shooter.

[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"]

Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2, but despite that.. the game manages to be quite fun in its own way. The dedicated server thing is a little weird as well, but as long as these hosts provide quality servers, I don't have an issue with that method.

Swiftstrike5

Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

mattuk69

[QUOTE="mattuk69"]

Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

albi321

also no1 hosts normal servers on theyr own pc's anyway and host are freakin cheap now days.. Farkeman

Ever think of Dedicated Server Boxes? My community pays $160/Month for a full server box and we host our ArmA 2 server, CSS servers and GE:S Servers on it. We were going to upgrade our box to host BC2 back before we found out they were not releasing the Binaries. So don't go saying that nobody hosts servers on dedicated machines, a lot of people do.

The situation does suck, but at least we do have servers. I hope they release the Binaries later on like they did for BF2.

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] The gunplay feels sluggish, MW2's gunplay was better, it felt more controlled by your hands. Not saying it's a whole lot better, but it was certianly better.SF_KiLLaMaN

1. The difference in sensitivity feels better when you scope in.

2. The far end of your gun moves with your mouse, and the close end doesn't rotate that much with it, that makes it feel better.

3 You have a better sense of where your bullets are going because you see blood easier.

4. It takes less bullets to kill someone.

5. It feels like people have more weight to them.

6. Higher DPI mouse have more precise movement when compared to BC2.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"] Inferior gunplay? How?brandontwb

1. The difference in sensitivity feels better when you scope in.

2. The far end of your gun moves with your mouse, and the close end doesn't rotate that much with it, that makes it feel better.

3 You have a better sense of where your bullets are going because you see blood easier.

4. It takes less bullets to kill someone.

5. It feels like people have more weight to them.

6. Higher DPI mouse have more precise movement when compared to BC2.

1.What you find to be "better" dosent apply to everyone...I find mw2 sensivity(when you scope) to be "easy" wich for me isnt good...i dont like things to be easy when i play a game,i want games to challange me...i dont want to sit on my couch with a controller in my hands holding down only one button and "boom head shoot"

If you want easy gameplay wich require little brain work then play MW2 coz BC2 is not for you.

2.Again,it may feel better only to you...dosent apply to everyone.

3.With this one i agree

4.So what?I dont mind that i have to empty half of mag in the enemy,its all about tastes...if you dont like it that dosent mean is bad...and iam sure that in the final bc2 there will be hardcore type of matches where bullet damage is increased.

5.I dont see any difference between mw2 and bc2 when it comes to the player weight...lol,wtf are you trying to say?

6.The DPI of a mouse has nothing to do with you being precise in a game?Do you even know what DPI means?

I have a entry level gaming mouse from Razer with 1800dpi...that dosent mean iam more precise with a gun then a some dude who has a regular mouse..it means i can cover alot more field of view with one rotation of a mouse...aiming and shooting takes skills not a mouse with high DPI...again if you like "easy" gameplay you can allways play mw2

[QUOTE="albi321"][QUOTE="mattuk69"]

Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

Gamartto

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] The gunplay feels sluggish, MW2's gunplay was better, it felt more controlled by your hands. Not saying it's a whole lot better, but it was certianly better.rhazzy

1. The difference in sensitivity feels better when you scope in.

2. The far end of your gun moves with your mouse, and the close end doesn't rotate that much with it, that makes it feel better.

3 You have a better sense of where your bullets are going because you see blood easier.

4. It takes less bullets to kill someone.

5. It feels like people have more weight to them.

6. Higher DPI mouse have more precise movement when compared to BC2.

1.What you find to be "better" dosent apply to everyone...I find mw2 sensivity(when you scope) to be "easy" wich for me isnt good...i dont like things to be easy when i play a game,i want games to challange me...i dont want to sit on my couch with a controller in my hands holding down only one button and "boom head shoot"

If you want easy gameplay wich require little brain work then play MW2 coz BC2 is not for you.

2.Again,it may feel better only to you...dosent apply to everyone.

3.With this one i agree

4.So what?I dont mind that i have to empty half of mag in the enemy,its all about tastes...if you dont like it that dosent mean is bad...and iam sure that in the final bc2 there will be hardcore type of matches where bullet damage is increased.

5.I dont see any difference between mw2 and bc2 when it comes to the player weight...lol,wtf are you trying to say?

6.The DPI of a mouse has nothing to do with you being precise in a game?Do you even know what DPI means?

I have a entry level gaming mouse from Razer with 1800dpi...that dosent mean iam more precise with a gun then a some dude who has a regular mouse..it means i can cover alot more field of view with one rotation of a mouse...aiming and shooting takes skills not a mouse with high DPI...again if you like "easy" gameplay you can allways play mw2

[QUOTE="brandontwb"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] The gunplay feels sluggish, MW2's gunplay was better, it felt more controlled by your hands. Not saying it's a whole lot better, but it was certianly better.rhazzy

1. The difference in sensitivity feels better when you scope in.

2. The far end of your gun moves with your mouse, and the close end doesn't rotate that much with it, that makes it feel better.

3 You have a better sense of where your bullets are going because you see blood easier.

4. It takes less bullets to kill someone.

5. It feels like people have more weight to them.

6. Higher DPI mouse have more precise movement when compared to BC2.

1.What you find to be "better" dosent apply to everyone...I find mw2 sensivity(when you scope) to be "easy" wich for me isnt good...i dont like things to be easy when i play a game,i want games to challange me...i dont want to sit on my couch with a controller in my hands holding down only one button and "boom head shoot"

If you want easy gameplay wich require little brain work then play MW2 coz BC2 is not for you.

2.Again,it may feel better only to you...dosent apply to everyone.

3.With this one i agree

4.So what?I dont mind that i have to empty half of mag in the enemy,its all about tastes...if you dont like it that dosent mean is bad...and iam sure that in the final bc2 there will be hardcore type of matches where bullet damage is increased.

5.I dont see any difference between mw2 and bc2 when it comes to the player weight...lol,wtf are you trying to say?

6.The DPI of a mouse has nothing to do with you being precise in a game?Do you even know what DPI means?

I have a entry level gaming mouse from Razer with 1800dpi...that dosent mean iam more precise with a gun then a some dude who has a regular mouse..it means i can cover alot more field of view with one rotation of a mouse...aiming and shooting takes skills not a mouse with high DPI...again if you like "easy" gameplay you can allways play mw2

I thought this topic was gonna be about Andrew Dice Clay for some reason (don't know what he has to do about PC gaming though), in which i would agree.

AFBrat77

What are you a retard OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, sorry I couldn't resist. Just so I'm not trolling, I am excited for BC2. I think the recoil of guns in BC2 just add some realism, and it keeps people from just spraying bullets. With the recoil you have to shoot in bursts to maintain accuracy, I like it.

One thing that turned me off about bc2 was that I sucked at it, I couldnt seem to kill anyone and they were killing me with machine guns from far distances.kevy619

Part of it might be that, unlike most shooters, BC2's weapons are not hitscan. Projectiles in the game not only have physical travel time, but are also affected by gravity. Over long distances, you not only have to lead your target, but you also must aim higher the further away he is. I think a lot of people are having trouble adjusting to this.

[QUOTE="kevy619"]One thing that turned me off about bc2 was that I sucked at it, I couldnt seem to kill anyone and they were killing me with machine guns from far distances.Velocitas8

Part of it might be that, unlike most shooters, BC2's weapons are not hitscan. Projectiles in the game not only have physical travel time, but are also affected by gravity. Over long distances, you not only have to lead your target, but you also must aim higher the further away he is. I think a lot of people are having trouble adjusting to this.

I was watching a streaming clip of BFC2 final and he was looking for the prone, and went into controls and there is no prone FFFFFFFF

Why take this out? How am I supposed to hide from a tank other than get blown to smiterines? And they even said the final game would have prone.

Also I am not sure why people think this is any better than MW2.

Dedicated servers? Yeah they have them, except you have to pay them to host it. They are not releasing binaries so I can't host on my box, wtf is the point of this?

This is what they say about this, what a load of crap:

"Public Server Files:We will not distribute these publicly. There are many factors for why we have decided this with the biggest factor being security & integrity of our game & Dedicated Servers."

Graphically it looks alright, but I am still confused why do people keep thinking this is better than MW2? It's just as bad!

JigglyWiggly_