Dice is the fail

As a guy who has not played a BF game but has been having alot of fun with MW2... sounds like BF:BC2 was the game all players across PC and Consoles were waiting for ;)

Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

mattuk69

Counter strike series

Team Fortress 2

Half life 2 (deathmatch included)

Letf 4 Dead 1 + 2

(Are we talking about multiplayer only here or all FPS games, because if the latter is true, the list goes on and on )

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Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

lucfonzy

Counter strike series

Team Fortress 2

Half life 2 (deathmatch included)

Letf 4 Dead 1 + 2

(Are we talking about multiplayer only here or all FPS games, because if the latter is true, the list goes on and on )

The BF series is far more tactical than the FPSs you mentioned, the dynamics of BF demand prone. Sry, try again, lol.

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Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

HavocEbonlore

Counter strike series

Team Fortress 2

Half life 2 (deathmatch included)

Letf 4 Dead 1 + 2

(Are we talking about multiplayer only here or all FPS games, because if the latter is true, the list goes on and on )

The BF series is far more tactical than the FPSs you mentioned, the dynamics of BF demand prone. Sry, try again, lol.

Yeah fair point.

But counter strike is one of the most popular tactical shooters of all time. I know it's not the same gigantic gameplay that BF offers.

I really shouldnt try and argue this point because i'm still miffed at MW2 for not having lean.

Ok here we go "F*&% you DICE damn nabs wheres my prone!!!"

Wait...CS...tactical shooter? where are the squads? objectives (what,bomb?) ?

CS is a shooter a rough, classic, bare shooter, it's not even close to tactical shooters.

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Lack of prone is annoying, and the gunplay is inferior to MW2, but despite that.. the game manages to be quite fun in its own way. The dedicated server thing is a little weird as well, but as long as these hosts provide quality servers, I don't have an issue with that method.

JigglyWiggly_

Bad Company 2 is clearly the best shooter of the year. People can nitpick but when it comes down to it - it's just incredibly fun to play. Great looking too.

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Tell me this how many FPS games that you have played dont have prone or didn't use it anwyay?

JigglyWiggly_

Bad Company 2 is clearly the best shooter of the game. People can nitpick but when it comes down to it - it's just incredibly fun to play. Great looking too. KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Bad Company 2 is clearly the best shooter of the game. People can nitpick but when it comes down to it - it's just incredibly fun to play. Great looking too. JigglyWiggly_

I agree dice is ultra fail.

BC2 is just another case of a great franchise being consolfied to the lowest common denominator. Health regen? please...

From the garbage i have seen Dice puking out im not even sure if i want them to make a BF3 pc exclusive (like they would anyway)

Luckily there is still project reality which has turned BF2 into something truly amazing, and now that the team has their own engine to work on the future looks a little more bright.

I agree dice is ultra fail.

BC2 is just another case of a great franchise being consolfied to the lowest common denominator. Health regen? please...

From the garbage i have seen Dice puking out im not even sure if i want them to make a BF3 pc exclusive (like they would anyway)

Luckily there is still project reality which has turned BF2 into something truly amazing, and now that the team has their own engine to work on the future looks a little more bright.

Dabunzie

"Blow us out of the water"

We will see about that, most i can hope to expect is that it delivers an easily moddable engine so the community can make it something great.

You guys are seriusly annoying with the prone bs. There are very few situations where you actualy need prone, and all the faults of it being implememnted (limbs going trough walls, invounrable snipers etc.)

"Blow us out of the water"

We will see about that, most i can hope to expect is that it delivers an easily moddable engine so the community can make it something great.

Dabunzie

I doubt the mod scene is going to floursih. I suspect that with evrey years mods are going closer to extinction because the release games have such high production values and amazing graphics its realy painfull to mod it and still maintain the same quality as the release game. You will get mods, but they will be very few, and very late in the game's life. Atleast thats my prediction.

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"Blow us out of the water"

We will see about that, most i can hope to expect is that it delivers an easily moddable engine so the community can make it something great.

chaplainDMK

I doubt the mod scene is going to floursih. I suspect that with evrey years mods are going closer to extinction because the release games have such high production values and amazing graphics its realy painfull to mod it and still maintain the same quality as the release game. You will get mods, but they will be very few, and very late in the game's life. Atleast thats my prediction.

No such thing, mods will exist, of course games become more complex, it's called evolution, games are as complex now as they were 10 years ago, for that period (not to compare 10 year old games with recent ones, but the state of the games in those years when it was -present- with the state of games that is present).

A game gets more complex, modders/developers get more experienced, the software becomes more advanced, tools become more complex, etc.

High production values/great graphics/complex game=/=extinct mods=evolution/mods

You guys are seriusly annoying with the prone bs. There are very few situations where you actualy need prone, and all the faults of it being implememnted (limbs going trough walls, invounrable snipers etc.)

chaplainDMK

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You guys are seriusly annoying with the prone bs. There are very few situations where you actualy need prone, and all the faults of it being implememnted (limbs going trough walls, invounrable snipers etc.)

dos4gw82

Jiggly you released a flood of fanboys and people who BS. I think BC2 is a crappy pc port. The excuses for not doing things are poor at best. And the only ones that defend these are the people that dont understand it. Prone Being hard to put in? Cry some more and suck it up dice its bf not COD not CS but BF! No MODS! NO MODS!! WTF! Its funny cause a little dev called Valve has many mods, dedicated servers, and many other cool things in nearly all there games if not all. And prone cant be that hard the insurgency mod team put it in their mod didnt they. They wont say they are to lazy to do it becuase they would lose sales so they will lie.

I like BF. But this game is going from well paced to run and gun. Not to mention all the small glitches i gurantee will be in this game and some or even most may never be fixed just like they shafted BC1.

The game is still a lot of fun with no prone. Not having prone eliminates all those campers and bunny hopping so i dont miss it too much. albi321

that's not what bunny hopping is

bunny hopping is jumping while shooting, shooting+going prone is called dolphin diving, which can be fixed by simple extreamly reducing the accuracy after going prone for a few seconds, like they did in 2142, no need to remove prone

Why is BFBC 2 better than MW2? Simple.

Maximum Players:

MW2 = 16, BC2 = 32

Ability to run dedicated servers, which allows for custom server settings, less latency, and no 0 ping host advantage:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

Ability to choose which game you join:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

Pilotable vehicles:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

Four distinct classes, and each one with their own special role:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

Not made by a company of complete d-bags:

MW2 = no, BC2 = yes

dos4gw82

-due to the size of the maps in BC2 the experiance is EXACTLY the same, I encounter relativly the same amount of people at any given time as I did in MW2,

-there is always ping advantage, there might not be 0 ping but a guy with 40 ping will always win vs a guy with 80 ping

-so just like in MW2 where you choose the game mode you want to play

-not made for MW2, 95% of the servers will be infantry only anyway 2 months after release like in EVERY battlefield game so far

-the ability to make your own class in MW2 makes this preaty much the same

-I see you dind't follow dice for too long

and I agree that the guns in BC2 feels kinda wierd, was much better in 2142, idk how to explain it but the movement when aiming feels kinda slow, I kinda never get the right sensitivity for it, maybe I'll just need to get used to it more

1.What you find to be "better" dosent apply to everyone...I find mw2 sensivity(when you scope) to be "easy" wich for me isnt good...i dont like things to be easy when i play a game,i want games to challange me...i dont want to sit on my couch with a controller in my hands holding down only one button and "boom head shoot"

If you want easy gameplay wich require little brain work then play MW2 coz BC2 is not for you.rhazzy

what the **** is that even suposed to mean?

the brain work is the same in both games, "find target, aim, press" there is no **** difrence, the difrence is that due to the worse gun handling in BC2 the game punishes you despite you doing what you have to do, that's not chaleging gameplay, I want to play against other people, not against the game and it's UI

i'll still buy the game and have fun judging by the beta, but there are some things that are simply not as good as in other games, from the beta both games are preaty much on the same level for me since both have their flaws

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You guys are seriusly annoying with the prone bs. There are very few situations where you actualy need prone, and all the faults of it being implememnted (limbs going trough walls, invounrable snipers etc.)

dakan45

lack of prone, oh noes! As far as Im concerned, prone isnt a pc exclusive feature, its been in console games but it encourages camping. In the end, it just makes the game less fun.

-due to the size of the maps in BC2 the experience is EXACTLY the same, I encounter relatively the same amount of people at any given time as I did in MW2

The point isn't how many people you encounter, it's how many people are out there doing different things at a given point in time; laying mines, capturing points across the map, keeping the enemy back while you stay alert at the base for people who have snuck through, etc. It makes the game feel more like an actual Battlefield, hence the name.

-there is always ping advantage, there might not be 0 ping but a guy with 40 ping will always win vs a guy with 80 ping

Yes, but in this case you have one guy with 0 ping, and there may be many people with pings of 40. Also, P2P generally has greater latency than dedicated servers, so you may have a game of one guy with 0 ping and everyone else with a ping of 100 or more.

-so just like in MW2 where you choose the game mode you want to play

....and unlike MW2, you can also choose a game based on the number of players in the game, the server's latency, whether or not you generally like the people who usually play on that server, what kind of map rotation it has, etc. Pretty big of a difference.

-not made for MW2, 95% of the servers will be infantry only anyway 2 months after release like in EVERY battlefield game so far

Completely false. I played BF2142 for a long time, and vehicles were almost always used in the maps that had them. Many of the maps made their use essential.

-the ability to make your own ****in MW2 makes this preaty much the same

No, it isn't. BF ****include engineers who can repair vehicles, medics who can heal and revive players, and recon units that can guide in air strikes. It's not just a series of unlocks, it's a ****system. It makes having a balanced team very important.

-I see you dind't follow dice for too long

I don't know what you mean. They made BF1942, BF2, BF2142, and Mirror's Edge. All good games in my book.

-due to the size of the maps in BC2 the experience is EXACTLY the same, I encounter relatively the same amount of people at any given time as I did in MW2

The point isn't how many people you encounter, it's how many people are out there doing different things at a given point in time; laying mines, capturing points across the map, keeping the enemy back while you stay alert at the base for people who have snuck through, etc. It makes the game feel more like an actual Battlefield, hence the name.

-there is always ping advantage, there might not be 0 ping but a guy with 40 ping will always win vs a guy with 80 ping

Yes, but in this case you have one guy with 0 ping, and there may be many people with pings of 40. Also, P2P generally has greater latency than dedicated servers, so you may have a game of one guy with 0 ping and everyone else with a ping of 100 or more.

-so just like in MW2 where you choose the game mode you want to play

....and unlike MW2, you can also choose a game based on the number of players in the game, the server's latency, whether or not you generally like the people who usually play on that server, what kind of map rotation it has, etc. Pretty big of a difference.

-not made for MW2, 95% of the servers will be infantry only anyway 2 months after release like in EVERY battlefield game so far

Completely false. I played BF2142 for a long time, and vehicles were almost always used in the maps that had them. Many of the maps made their use essential.

-the ability to make your own ****in MW2 makes this preaty much the same

No, it isn't. BF ****include engineers who can repair vehicles, medics who can heal and revive players, and recon units that can guide in air strikes. It's not just a series of unlocks, it's a ****system. It makes having a balanced team very important.

-I see you dind't follow dice for too long

I don't know what you mean. They made BF1942, BF2, BF2142, and Mirror's Edge. All good games in my book.

dos4gw82

while I cant attack the TC for his opinion I can say that by simply playing the Beta ..that no prone is not that much of a big deal and I have been able to join servers with ping as low as 32-75..so I have nothing but love for BFBC2 :)

Jiggly you released a flood of fanboys and people who BS. I think BC2 is a crappy pc port. The excuses for not doing things are poor at best. And the only ones that defend these are the people that dont understand it. Prone Being hard to put in? .

KLONE360

Yeah, one thing I hate about ME 2 is the no prone..

Prone only gets abused lol. It helps to keep the game speed up and if they did implement prone i would hope it wouldnt cause gun fights to be won by who can prone quicker..

Keeps the game (for the most part) a quicker pace. Get shot at a tank? you know it takes AGES for a tank to spin its turret. Just need to prehaps practice a bit more :)