Direct X 11, Nvidia Wins

GTX 480 vs. 5970 oc

So, ATi, I ask you, how can you jump into the DX 11 and really do so poorly at what your meant to do? Seriously after watching this video Im beggining to wonder what its gonna be like whenever some fun DX11 games come out that people will like to bench and have some heavy tessalation. Nvidia looks like they are ahead of the game on this one, I dont think Fermi is a fail at all it does DX11 better. Just wait till there next line of GPU's.

Hmm, you do realize that is tesselation based, not solely dx11? Who cares? Really? That thing uses like a monsterous amount of heat, and for real world applications, like normal games, it isn't as good. And even if it is "better", it's not by much.

Also that is just ONE application, show me a good load of games, that could just be made using nvidia special compilers for the inner stuff. Show me a heap of games that it does better, and don't show something like f@h.

Here in the UK the GTX4x0's are ridiculously overpriced so you have to be pretty insane or rich in order to justify buying one over ATI's offerings.

Tessalation is pretty amazing, lots of DX11 games will most likely use it and Nvidia will get better FPS

One thing I noticed about the GTX 480's version of the Unigine benchmark is it outuputs a much smoother picture compared to the 5970 at the same framerate. Wonder why that is...

In any case, the GTX 480 may beat the 5970 in this benchmark, but at what cost? Lower performance for the rest of the components for graphical settings, including ones for DX11? Turn off tesselation, and see what happens in games. The 5970 still beats the GTX 480.

If ATi is gonna make cards for DX11 that perform better with DX10, they should have just stuck to DX10 until they understood how to make the cards perform on par

If ATi is gonna make cards for DX11 that perform better with DX10, they should have just stuck to DX10 until they understood how to make the cards perform on par

somegtalover

[QUOTE="somegtalover"]

If ATi is gonna make cards for DX11 that perform better with DX10, they should have just stuck to DX10 until they understood how to make the cards perform on par

JigglyWiggly_

That's all good and fine, but I don't see hardly any games implementing tessellation on a major scale and don't expect to see many released in the coming year, at least not from what I've heard.

Based on what evidence? Nvidia's cards beat an ATI card £100 cheaper than itself. WHOOP DE DO!

When I buy anythingI look for VALUE, and value is not getting a £300 radiator that performs7% better than something £80 cheaper.

For raw power Nvidia has always had the sale, but the sensible money is on the ATI cards.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="somegtalover"]

If ATi is gonna make cards for DX11 that perform better with DX10, they should have just stuck to DX10 until they understood how to make the cards perform on par

somegtalover

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="somegtalover"]

If ATi is gonna make cards for DX11 that perform better with DX10, they should have just stuck to DX10 until they understood how to make the cards perform on par

somegtalover

I find this funny crossfired cards such as the 5850 XF or 5870's will do just as well I bet or close. Just think Southern islands will be out within this year, so this dx11 tessellation advantage nvidia has will be short lived, and useless until it's fully used in games. If you can afford to sell your kidneys, then by all means buy a 480 GTX- the power requirements are silly, run fairly hot considering, and aren't leaps and bounds ahead.

plus just check this out i7 4.2Ghz, XF 5870's heaven 2.0 extreme

480 GTX vs 2x 5850 CF = £450 for either solution: Results

The OP seems very bias.

The 480 GTX does have its good points, and is a real competitor not just in the consumer graphics department but business too, but as ATI have reported they don't feel threatened and aren't dropping prices anytime soon(they may within the next few months, ready for southern islands). Plus with the recent news of southern islands, this whole thread is a failed attempt at trolling.

This round of cards isn't really about DX11 performance. Even though both companies have touted their products' DX11 features, this round is still much more about DX9 and DX10 price/performance, as well as power/heat.. which it seems more and more people are becoming aware of.

Nvidia is desperately pointing to the tessellation performance of their Fermi cards because they realize that in the real world, they are losing this round pretty badly. Congrats Nvidia.. you do have an advantage in this area.. but it's an area that just doesn't matter very much yet. By the time it does, both companies should have a whole new line of DX11 cards out.

This round of cards isn't really about DX11 performance. Even though both companies have touted their products' DX11 features, this round is still much more about DX9 and DX10 price/performance, as well as power/heat.. which it seems more and more people are becoming aware of.

Nvidia is desperately pointing to the tessellation performance of their Fermi cards because they realize that in the real world, they are losing this round pretty badly. Congrats Nvidia.. you do have an advantage in this area.. but it's an area that just doesn't matter very much yet. By the time it does, both companies should have a whole new line of DX11 cards out.

hartsickdiscipl

This is very true, just head on over to overclock.net, many people will echo this, and these guys are computer professionals, pro overclockers, and pc enthusiasts.

i find that video pointless.. its not even a game. this video is more relevent to the gamer http://www.bulletproofnerds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2170.0

once dx11 is really used in games a new generation of card will have comeout that will really be able to handle dx11 and at a more affordable price.DJ_Headshot

If this ever becomes a reality, DX API's won't really matter any more.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Polygons-Voxels-Graphics-Rendering-GPU,10250.html

One thing I noticed about the GTX 480's version of the Unigine benchmark is it outuputs a much smoother picture compared to the 5970 at the same framerate. Wonder why that is...

In any case, the GTX 480 may beat the 5970 in this benchmark, but at what cost? Lower performance for the rest of the components for graphical settings, including ones for DX11? Turn off tesselation, and see what happens in games. The 5970 still beats the GTX 480.

ravenguard90

how can you say the 5870 "still" beats the 480, true they both have the ups and downs.

so we can not say which would be better, and the 5970 has matured i even doubt is software can push anymore power out of it anymore than it has, BUT the 480 just came out and we still have not gotten the 256.xx drivers so i expect a huge graghical spike when that hits.

so i say give the 480 the time that the 5870 has had(i dont see the comparison of 2gpu vs 1 its doesn't seem fair) and then we will see where the 480 stands

That's all good and fine, but I don't see hardly any games implementing tessellation on a major scale and don't expect to see many released in the coming year, at least not from what I've heard.

quijeros

Have fun boiling water on that gtx 480.

OpenGL naowJigglyWiggly_

If this ever becomes a reality, DX API's won't really matter any more.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Polygons-Voxels-Graphics-Rendering-GPU,10250.html

kilerchese

[QUOTE="kilerchese"]

If this ever becomes a reality, DX API's won't really matter any more.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Polygons-Voxels-Graphics-Rendering-GPU,10250.html

ronvalencia

As in, if Nvidia or ATI or Intel or AMD don't keep the technology from coming out is what I meant by if it ever becomes a reality.

Not that if it ever becomes possible.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="kilerchese"]

If this ever becomes a reality, DX API's won't really matter any more.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Polygons-Voxels-Graphics-Rendering-GPU,10250.html

As in, if Nvidia or ATI or Intel or AMD don't keep the technology from coming out is what I meant by if it ever becomes a reality.

Not that if it ever becomes possible.

I thought it was already the general consensus that 480/470s were better than the 5xxx series at dx11? And once again, I don't really see how it matters that much, because by the time dx11 is more mainstream, ati will release their next batch of cards.

Why NVIDIA or AMD/ATI? ISV programmers can treat the GpGPU like SIMD/VLIW device e.g. DirectX Compute Shaders, ATI Stream, NV CUDA, OpenCL.ronvalencia

Why WOULDN'T they? With this software you don't need powerful video cards and CPUs now. You would just about need some low to mid range hardware. This would easily cut down on the demand for high end $500 components if all gamers needed for ultra graphics quality was a $75 CPU and a $80 GPU.

[QUOTE="GhoX"]Without even looking at the video, I can safely assume that it's specifically about "Unigine 2.0", which uses CUDA Tessellation instead of DX11 Tessellation. Nvidia wins in CUDA; nobody has yet "won" DX11.DJ8WORK

Nope its Unigine Heaven 2.0 with extreme tessellation, Cuda tessellation.

i agree with most people when they say DX11 isnt soley going to be on just the tessalation performance but about all round DX11 performance, i think that what nofreakinlemons said about it being unfair a 2gpu card vs 1gpu card is right yes it might use as much power as the two and cost just under it but it doesnt mean it should be compared to a 2gpu card also as for the power consumption im sure yesterday that i saw that new 5970 4GB edition using about 700watts or something silly like that if it wasnt 700 it may have been 680 o 90 ill have a look to find the link.

Nvidia cannot make a Dual-Gpu yet with their current fabrications and such because of heat. They are still both Single cards in respects to PCIE Interface and either sides "highest end GPU's". So it is indeed fair to compare them because they are in the same price range too.

i agree with most people when they say DX11 isnt soley going to be on just the tessalation performance but about all round DX11 performance, i think that what nofreakinlemons said about it being unfair a 2gpu card vs 1gpu card is right yes it might use as much power as the two and cost just under it but it doesnt mean it should be compared to a 2gpu card also as for the power consumption im sure yesterday that i saw that new 5970 4GB edition using about 700watts or something silly like that if it wasnt 700 it may have been 680 o 90 ill have a look to find the link.

hlhmark

[QUOTE="hlhmark"]

i agree with most people when they say DX11 isnt soley going to be on just the tessalation performance but about all round DX11 performance, i think that what nofreakinlemons said about it being unfair a 2gpu card vs 1gpu card is right yes it might use as much power as the two and cost just under it but it doesnt mean it should be compared to a 2gpu card also as for the power consumption im sure yesterday that i saw that new 5970 4GB edition using about 700watts or something silly like that if it wasnt 700 it may have been 680 o 90 ill have a look to find the link.

JigglyWiggly_

ok then if there compared in uniengine then it handles the tesallation alot better than the dual gpu 5970 so it has better performance in the core for core and the heat thing will soon be gone as there is a product from CoolIT coming out for the GTX480 which is a cooler for it based on the Corsair H50so it wont have heat problems anywhere near as bad anymore, so they could very well make a dual GPU 480 if they uses these

Linky: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24299

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="hlhmark"]

i agree with most people when they say DX11 isnt soley going to be on just the tessalation performance but about all round DX11 performance, i think that what nofreakinlemons said about it being unfair a 2gpu card vs 1gpu card is right yes it might use as much power as the two and cost just under it but it doesnt mean it should be compared to a 2gpu card also as for the power consumption im sure yesterday that i saw that new 5970 4GB edition using about 700watts or something silly like that if it wasnt 700 it may have been 680 o 90 ill have a look to find the link.

hlhmark

ok then if there compared in uniengine then it handles the tesallation alot better than the dual gpu 5970 so it has better performance in the core for core and the heat thing will soon be gone as there is a product from CoolIT coming out for the GTX480 which is a cooler for it based on the Corsair H50so it wont have heat problems anywhere near as bad anymore, so they could very well make a dual GPU 480 if they uses these

Linky: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=24299

So it needs watercooling just to stay running cool? also you forget Tessellation in unigine - yes nvidia benefits in this area due to cuda, ati does not have cuda YET still performs rather well within 4-5 fps of the 480 GTX with its own tessellator and 5870's XF beat the 480 GTX but thats not fair i know. But soon you shall see the 5790/5890/5990 arriving this year, way before nvidia can trump that.

See this forum for the link to the news article to do with southern islands and northern islands by ATI, theyve already completed their designs! Plus when was the last time you saw a game fully utilising dx11? and tessellation the way its meant to look? dont quote metro 2033, tessellation there is only used on character models for which we see no real difference, vs dx10.

I'm fine with the 5870 and the GTX480 being compared. I think that the 5970 is too expensive to be compared with the GTX480, but I don't have an issue with a single gpu versus dual-gpu comparison... just the $200 price difference.

While true that the GTX480 does appear to handle alot of DX11 features better than the 5870, it doesn't matter all that much this round. The DX11 performance will matter much more NEXT round of GPUs. The fact is that Evergreen is more efficient and less expensive. And it outperforms the GTX480/470 in Crysis, which is the most-demanding DX9/DX10 game.

This is true, if you actually read the unigine 2.0 page, it states the extreme setting for tessellation was put in to keep pushing tessellation into the next 1-2 years, by that time it will be utilised better and we'll have gpu's better suited to run it enabled at high fps.

It's just like what Crysis did to our PC's in 2007.

Nvidia is just a name.

Nvidia is just a name.

Arceus14

wow man thats a deep thought

becareful you might loose yourself in that head of yours

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Why NVIDIA or AMD/ATI? ISV programmers can treat the GpGPU like SIMD/VLIW device e.g. DirectX Compute Shaders, ATI Stream, NV CUDA, OpenCL.kilerchese

Why WOULDN'T they? With this software you don't need powerful video cards and CPUs now. You would just about need some low to mid range hardware. This would easily cut down on the demand for high end $500 components if all gamers needed for ultra graphics quality was a $75 CPU and a $80 GPU.

Nvidia is just a name.

Arceus14

lol honestly im disappointed with both ati and nvidia with dx11 so far, im waiting for refresh/revisions. or new series.

5970 eat 480gtx go watch cartoon :)