Do not purchase Doom 3 BFG Edition! Terrible Port!

It also seems that the game runs at 1280 x 720 despite me setting the game to 1336 x 768 resolution.

DarkGamer007

what? the game only runs @1280x720? no higher resolution?

back then, I ran Doom3 @1600x1200 with 6800gt SLI (my first PCI-E cards)...so this BFG edition is actually worst than the original release?

Original Doom 3 with mods.

RyviusARC

The PC version looked better at high/max settings in 2004. How freaking sad is this?

hartsickdiscipl

i think this is a good example of "consolization"

they probably only re released this in pc to grab some cash

sahme id soft, from now on never again prepurchase anything from them, will wait to reviews and stuff

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

It also seems that the game runs at 1280 x 720 despite me setting the game to 1336 x 768 resolution.

teardropmina

what? the game only runs @1280x720? no higher resolution?

back then, I ran Doom3 @1600x1200 with 6800gt SLI (my first PCI-E cards)...so this BFG edition is actually worst than the original release?

Thame game runs at higher resolutions, though it might only support 720p, 1080p+ but not 1336 x 768.

That's just embarassing. I didn't feel like paying $30 for the game without first playing through Doom and Doom II again (I already have them), but it never occurred to me that the game would not be an upgrade from the original PC release. I thought they'd at least have high-res textures if nothing else.

Original Doom 3 with mods.

RyviusARC

Wow... didn't even think about looking up mods for Doom 3, but now I think I should ;)

Unbelievable! I'm a big fan of the original PC DOOM 3 - faults and all, 'simple' gameplay and all... at the time, and even still, it did what many games had tried to do, immerse a player fully and make them feel like they 'were there' in a fairly realistic envionment. This wasn't realistic in static shots, or compared to what today's version of realistic may be. It wasn't about super high texture quality or being a perfect mimic of reality. What it did was invoke the imagination from it's slightly OTT use of light and shade and even it's hard shadows cast from the flashlight added to this. Who cares if they weren't as accurate as real life, they were exaggerated on screen but while playing the brain compensated and made it feel like reality!

The game was misunderstood by many due to it's simple gameplay, failing to realise that it was one of few games (even today - crysis being another example) that felt like we were in an environment rather than staring at a cartoon. I will always love Doom 3 (original) for how it made me feel, the shadows were vital, the flashlight either/or tension was important too. To see the latter gone without an option for 'original' flashlight was questionable already, but the shadows it used to cast gone too? that was a massive part of the immersion!

I remember the times I'd be crouched down some pit soaking up the atmosphere, gazing up to the wall mounted steps with my flashlight on, watching the shadows dance and move creating darkness of their own... it was so damn eerie and oozed immersion.

Doom 3 was never about the gamplay that came from it's shooting element, but more than most games, it felt fun just 'being in there'. I found the talk of the oculus rift to go with the BFG edition exciting as I always imagined how cool playing D3 would have been with a decent HMD if one had existed at the time for a good price.

All of this pre-amble is basically to say I am very disappointed in this BFG edition - BFG obviously has changed meaning to "basically F*** gamers" now!

DO NOT BUY THIS ON PC.

I also believe this has undergone consolisation after re-conversion to now-gen consoles. It's a lazy port, the only reason it works as well as it does is sheer luck I think, because it was originally made for PC. Any new additions are not PC-Centric, and in fact have taken stuff away? wtf??

To those asking why do we need options on an old game, the point is it's NOT even running at max settings! They have obviously settled on a medium ground quality bar (for consoles) then LAZILY not allowed it to be pushed too much on PC, probably to save on QA time or some other poor reason.

The game itself is still good imo - if you've never played it and get it cheap and can't get the original (+ mods) then do. It DOES still have atmosphere, it does still look relatively good (especially considering how old it basically is) which is a testement to how amazing it looked at the time. However for the fact they have tried to rip PC gamers off - in principle alone I'd avoid it and track down a 2nd hand copy of the original and vote with your wallet.

I don't know who's idea it was to get rid of so many dynamic shadows but it was a stupid idea, doesn't matter that some may have pointed out they were 'too dark' or 'too sharp' and that they could layer ontop of ambient shadows at times - it was FUN and immersive! what the hell are the industry doing when they get chance to revist it a game and remove one of it's most unique features, especially in a game like this that really paid off with atmosphere.

Even un-modded the original Doom 3 was better for the shadows alone, I'll take whatever may have not been perfect in it over the so called 'improvements' in this ridiculous downgrade.

With mods Doom 3 is still one of the best immersive environments a player could play through on PC today! The way it was built/textured originally gave it a very chunky solid quality that is sorely missing in many newer games, too many 'pretty' modern games are more like walking through 2D paintings, original Doom 3 felt like a solid environment with depth and character. I love the freakin' thing even in 2012 for many things it has not been bettered (unfortunately many will now judge it's legacy based on this BFG edition and not 'get' what was so awesome about it originally - a shame).

Bethesda are really starting to annoy me - I believe they had too much say in this and they hold the purse strings, part of IDs descent into mediocrity can be pinned firmly on them having to answer to bethseda now I think.

Your res is low and your probably playing it with a really low end video card.. Doesn't seem right. I've seen footage on the game and it looks much better than that.Rattlesnake_8

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It also seems that the game runs at 1280 x 720 despite me setting the game to 1336 x 768 resolution.

teardropmina

what? the game only runs @1280x720? no higher resolution?

back then, I ran Doom3 @1600x1200 with 6800gt SLI (my first PCI-E cards)...so this BFG edition is actually worst than the original release?

It does run at higher resolution than 720p.

This is how I had the original looking

Words can not describe how awesome that looks in motion with 4xSGSAA.

Your res is low and your probably playing it with a really low end video card.. Doesn't seem right. I've seen footage on the game and it looks much better than that.Rattlesnake_8

Thanks for the warning, even a few mods for the original makes it look much better than this horrible 'enhanced' version.

Modded Doom 3

It trully is a waste of money..

Thanks for the warning, even a few mods for the original makes it look much better than this horrible 'enhanced' version.

Modded Doom 3

It trully is a waste of money..

Lucianu

Delicious, those people making those threads about how John Carmack was a big deal and we should listen to him right before Rage was releasing.. Can go eat it.. sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Delicious, those people making those threads about how John Carmack was a big deal and we should listen to him right before Rage was releasing.. Can go eat it.. chrisrooR

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Delicious, those people making those threads about how John Carmack was a big deal and we should listen to him right before Rage was releasing.. Can go eat it.. sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Delicious, those people making those threads about how John Carmack was a big deal and we should listen to him right before Rage was releasing.. Can go eat it.. sSubZerOo

I love you, I've been saying that about Carcack for years but no one listens, they still think he's a god....

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] He *was* a big deal. If he can do something with the occulus rift, he will again be a big deal. The man's not stupid, it's just that ID software has made some stupid decisions. mrfrosty151986

I love you, I've been saying that about Carcack for years but no one listens, they still think he's a god....

Original Doom 3 with mods.

RyviusARC

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] He controls ID, and he hasn't been relevant since the 90s. chrisrooR

I love you, I've been saying that about Carcack for years but no one listens, they still think he's a god....

No where have we stated that though, he is of course a big person for pc gaming history.. The only thing that bothers me was right before Rage was coming out we were having these constant threads about what Carmack thinks about X for pc..

He controls ID, and he hasn't been relevant since the 90s. sSubZerOo

He doesn't control id. Todd Hollenshead is the CEO. Tim Willits was the lead of Doom 3 and Rage. Carmack does graphics, rockets and now hardware.

Related:

Atomic: Do you think that many PC gamers are going to buy a game that is essentially rebranded eight-year-old tech?

Tim: I dont know. I will be surprised because, like John said last night, the mods will not work and its not game compatible with the old stuff, and he either needs to strip some id Tech 5 out [of the Doom 3 BFG Edition code], open source a part of it, or create a separate DLL for mods. Yeah, its a big question that we need to answer. But there is a huge console audience that has never played this game who we are targeting.

Original Doom 3:

BFG:

Same thing applies to some other character models. Everything else uses the original models and textures.

Other changes:

- native support for high resolutions. Side effect: different FoV values

- reworked UI (previously bugged out or stretched thanks to outdated Flash technology)

- bloom turned to 11 (can be turned down in the console - use r_overbright 1.0)

- more light sources in the environment

- shoulder mounted flashlight - needs to recharge, but you won't use it as much

- unfortunately, you now have to switch to fists for melee

- more ammo

- a couple of reworked sounds

- 3D and Oculus Rift support

- various changes under the hood, like switching to the superior image format of id Tech 5

- 60 fps on consoles, where every other id Tech 4 game struggles to run at 30

- a new expansion

Still waiting for someone to explain why they need more graphical options than provided.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Thanks for the warning, even a few mods for the original makes it look much better than this horrible 'enhanced' version.

Modded Doom 3

It trully is a waste of money..

chrisrooR

That is Wulfen's texture packwith some other stuff enabled. Everything you could possibly need isright here. A nice tutorial on how to enable parallax occlusion mapping, add Wulfen's texture pack, and some other well designed mods. All in all, makes the game look and feel incredible.

Who is lining up to play this game on consoles? I wouldn't even consider Doom 3 to be a classic game worth re-releasing...

I didn't see any other post discussing this but I experienced the same blur when overriding or enhancing the antialiasing setting with my nvidia control panel. Overriding the other settings like anisotropic and transparency may have created similar issues but not as significant as the antiliasing so just leave it to application controlled and you'll get a much better image. wiinikka

tweaked original to compare

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"] He *was* a big deal. If he can do something with the occulus rift, he will again be a big deal. The man's not stupid, it's just that ID software has made some stupid decisions. mrfrosty151986

I love you, I've been saying that about Carcack for years but no one listens, they still think he's a god....

So smooth parallax scrolling on the PC, ray-casting, texture mapping, fully texture mapped 3D polygon engine, dynamic colored lighting, reflection mapping, bump-mapping and megatexture are all now irrelevant achievements?

Please...

Carmack deserves all praise, as a programmer.

His company's business decisions are another matter.

[QUOTE="wiinikka"]I didn't see any other post discussing this but I experienced the same blur when overriding or enhancing the antialiasing setting with my nvidia control panel. Overriding the other settings like anisotropic and transparency may have created similar issues but not as significant as the antiliasing so just leave it to application controlled and you'll get a much better image. wis3boi

tweaked original to compare

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="wiinikka"]I didn't see any other post discussing this but I experienced the same blur when overriding or enhancing the antialiasing setting with my nvidia control panel. Overriding the other settings like anisotropic and transparency may have created similar issues but not as significant as the antiliasing so just leave it to application controlled and you'll get a much better image. wiinikka

tweaked original to compare

I only forced AA in that picture, and 16:10 ratio

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tweaked original to compare

wis3boi

I only forced AA in that picture, and 16:10 ratio

Textures at first looked...well not as good as I remember but after comparing screenshots I guess they are highest res of what the original game offered. Is it worth it for $20...not sure yet, still need to play it a bit more and the expansion. I do like what they did with UI which is a lot less intrusive.Gooeykat

Textures are identical to the original's High settings. Ultra settings was just dumping uncompressed textures in VRAM (I think it was the first game to require 512Mb for this) so there was less stuttering on capable systems. The file compression system is modernized so there's no need for the ultra setting anymore.

Textures may seem worse because of the different lightning and FoV. Darkness was hiding a lot in the original game. Every room was designed with the "big picture" in mind so various less important elements had crappy texturing. BFG is overall brighter so they stand out more.

[QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Textures at first looked...well not as good as I remember but after comparing screenshots I guess they are highest res of what the original game offered. Is it worth it for $20...not sure yet, still need to play it a bit more and the expansion. I do like what they did with UI which is a lot less intrusive.Baranga

Textures are identical to the original's High settings. Ultra settings was just dumping uncompressed textures in VRAM (I think it was the first game to require 512Mb for this) so there was less stuttering on capable systems. The file compression system is modernized so there's no need for the ultra setting anymore.

Textures may seem worse because of the different lightning and FoV. Darkness was hiding a lot in the original game. Every room was designed with the "big picture" in mind so various less important elements had crappy texturing. BFG is overall brighter so they stand out more.

Why would they make a game like Doom 3 brighter? That was a mistake.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Textures at first looked...well not as good as I remember but after comparing screenshots I guess they are highest res of what the original game offered. Is it worth it for $20...not sure yet, still need to play it a bit more and the expansion. I do like what they did with UI which is a lot less intrusive.hartsickdiscipl

Textures are identical to the original's High settings. Ultra settings was just dumping uncompressed textures in VRAM (I think it was the first game to require 512Mb for this) so there was less stuttering on capable systems. The file compression system is modernized so there's no need for the ultra setting anymore.

Textures may seem worse because of the different lightning and FoV. Darkness was hiding a lot in the original game. Every room was designed with the "big picture" in mind so various less important elements had crappy texturing. BFG is overall brighter so they stand out more.

Why would they make a game like Doom 3 brighter? That was a mistake.

I know right? they already changed the flashlight, so you can just run around with it on all the time anyway. Why would it need to be brighter, on top of that?

They wanted BFG to be faster paced. Navigation is easier without the cumbersome flashlight. A couple of enemy encounters were also reworked btw.

Another thing to consider is how awful modern monitors are at displaying black. They're full of crushed blacks and backlight issues. And then you add 3D in the mix, especially older active glasses models.

Seeing modded Doom 3 makes me want to grab the original. (I've never played it) Just curious- if the series were to go on sale, is ROE worth getting as well?LongZhiZi

I really liked ROE, it's far shorter of course, they added the grabber and the artifact that allows you slow time which was really fun.

Edit: oh and the double barrell shotgun which was a one shot kill most time, lots a fun.

My guess: Because they catered to consoles too much ._.

These ENHANCED old games should be below five bucks, specially if they're poorly made.

15 bucks and for an awful remaster.. no thanks.

These ENHANCED old games should be below five bucks, specially if they're poorly made.

alan_carter