Do You think Skirim will beat W2?

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="morrowindnic"]

No way in hell. I love the Elder Scrolls games but. Skyrim is a console game, it will just be like a Oblvion 1.5. It wont even come close to the quality of a game like W2.

morrowindnic

Every game has issues, those are W2 issues. Thats not going to stop W2 from being much better then skyrim. Hell just look at all the interviews. Skyrim is going to end up being a disapointment just like Oblivion.

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Will Skyrim be good? Probably, I know I'm buying it for the mods alone. Will it be a better RPG? Not a chance in hell given how Bethesda wants to make the series more of an action adventure with RPG elements.

jedinat

Where is the choice and consequences in Oblivion? How about the meaningful character progression? Oh right there is none for both. If you want an open world RPG go try out Arcanum or Gothic. Oblivion isn't a bad game but looking at the trends started in that game it is obvious Bethesda wants to appeal to the action adventure crowd and not the RPG crowd.

The Witcher 2 doesn't force you into *a* character. By that Geralt acts how you want him to act and not how someone else wants him to act. I imported my saves in which Geralt was the character I wanted him to be. Throughout the game choices I made in the first game were referenced which reinforces it is my character. The second one isn't any different considering the game can totally swing in a different direction if you make certain choices.

I never installed mods onto my copy of oblivion and still loved it, and I don't know where you are getting this "10,000 bugs" idea from. Sure Oblivion had some bugs, but not enough to make a fuss about IMO.DavidianMH

Some bugs?

Unofficial Oblivion Patch (note: does not include Shivering Isles nor DLC, strictly vanilla Oblivion)

Things it changed in Oblivion

If you care enough to count "bugs", go ahead...there are 3979 lines in that list.

On topic, no it won't.

Sales wise, perhaps. Quality wise, Skyrim will only be enjoyable with a crapload of mods installed, just like Oblivion was. Not much to give Bethesda credit for.

[QUOTE="morrowindnic"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] What quality? You mean not being able to break open doors, or jumping over small obstacles, or being faced with 1000 invisible walls?biggest_loser

Every game has issues, those are W2 issues. Thats not going to stop W2 from being much better then skyrim. Hell just look at all the interviews. Skyrim is going to end up being a disapointment just like Oblivion.

On topic, no it won't.

Sales wise, perhaps. Quality wise, Skyrim will only be enjoyable with a crapload of mods installed, just like Oblivion was. Not much to give Bethesda credit for.

Mograine

I found that recent Bethesda games are most fun when they are played the farthest possible from what the developers intended.GeneralShowzer

Indeed. I still find it mind numbing how could Oblivion score so high on consoles. I guess that goes to show how much the standards really differ.

How can you not be better than Witcher 2? It lets you have 0 freedom in witcher 2, can't climb over rubble, picklock doors, anyhting good. I rather go to sleep. Oblivion on otherhand was all freedom and stuff, and Skyrim will be epic as well. Also FPS combat is awesome.JigglyWiggly_

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="morrowindnic"]

Every game has issues, those are W2 issues. Thats not going to stop W2 from being much better then skyrim. Hell just look at all the interviews. Skyrim is going to end up being a disapointment just like Oblivion.

GeneralShowzer

Bad optimisation and inconsistent frame rates, extreme popup during new areas, like buildings missing for a certain duration and then eventually loading, menus taking over 20 seconds to open :( If i wanted to be really harsh I could also talk about the invisible walls cornering the riverbanks etc

Fortunately I was one of the ones not bogged down by activation problems!

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"] lol every game has problems yes but thats such a weak excuse, because some like the WC2's issues are more noticeable and severe and more likely to hamper playing time.

biggest_loser

Bad optimisation and inconsistent frame rates, extreme popup during new areas, like buildings missing for a certain duration and then eventually loading, menus taking over 20 seconds to open :( If i wanted to be really harsh I could also talk about the invisible walls cornering the riverbanks etc

Fortunately I was one of the ones not bogged down by activation problems!

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Like what?

GeneralShowzer

Bad optimisation and inconsistent frame rates, extreme popup during new areas, like buildings missing for a certain duration and then eventually loading, menus taking over 20 seconds to open :( If i wanted to be really harsh I could also talk about the invisible walls cornering the riverbanks etc

Fortunately I was one of the ones not bogged down by activation problems!

[QUOTE="jedinat"]

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

Will Skyrim be good? Probably, I know I'm buying it for the mods alone. Will it be a better RPG? Not a chance in hell given how Bethesda wants to make the series more of an action adventure with RPG elements.

Whiteblade999

Where is the choice and consequences in Oblivion? How about the meaningful character progression? Oh right there is none for both. If you want an open world RPG go try out Arcanum or Gothic. Oblivion isn't a bad game but looking at the trends started in that game it is obvious Bethesda wants to appeal to the action adventure crowd and not the RPG crowd.

The Witcher 2 doesn't force you into *a* character. By that Geralt acts how you want him to act and not how someone else wants him to act. I imported my saves in which Geralt was the character I wanted him to be. Throughout the game choices I made in the first game were referenced which reinforces it is my character. The second one isn't any different considering the game can totally swing in a different direction if you make certain choices.

"Choice and consequence" related to plot branchings has never been a defining trait of RPGs. Historically it's more been along the lines of: "I have a bow and three arrows, do I engage the troll or make a hasty retreat? Engage!" Immediate consequences ensue. lol. TES games provide such "roleplaying" in spades.

And sure you can choose "which" Geralt you want to be, but you can't choose not to be Geralt, lol.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Bad optimisation and inconsistent frame rates, extreme popup during new areas, like buildings missing for a certain duration and then eventually loading, menus taking over 20 seconds to open :( If i wanted to be really harsh I could also talk about the invisible walls cornering the riverbanks etc

Fortunately I was one of the ones not bogged down by activation problems!

biggest_loser

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Bad optimisation and inconsistent frame rates, extreme popup during new areas, like buildings missing for a certain duration and then eventually loading, menus taking over 20 seconds to open :( If i wanted to be really harsh I could also talk about the invisible walls cornering the riverbanks etc

Fortunately I was one of the ones not bogged down by activation problems!

biggest_loser

1) Menu's do lag a bit. For me, it's about a 2 second lag, no more than that, all the time. It's not game-breaking. It's something I've gotten use to. Like General said, there's a "fix" for it.

2) Meeting the "requirements" isn't enough. You should know that by now. I never follow requirements and recommendations. Build a rig that's powerful enough. Most people in the PC games and PC hardware forum, know that much. If you are uninformed, you could always ask and we would be glad to help!

What makes you think Skyrim won't make some of our gaming PC's chug? I'm pretty sure there will be bugs on Bethesda's end as well. I think we're all forgetting the past here. :)

3) I remember General saying that, but we all say things like that at first and then have a change of heart later. The fact that he purchased the game, enjoyed it, and judging by his recent posts, he has been patient with CDPR while they get rid of bugs; I would say General is being really fair, among everything else. :D

[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

[QUOTE="jedinat"] ...hah. I'll take an open world RPG where you can walk around the world encountering NPCs, quests, and dungeons as you will... rather than being pigeon-holed into an established character and propelled through narrative-heavy branching corridor. I can only imagine how you're fooling yourself into thinking a TES game is less an RPG than a Witcher game.

jedinat

Where is the choice and consequences in Oblivion? How about the meaningful character progression? Oh right there is none for both. If you want an open world RPG go try out Arcanum or Gothic. Oblivion isn't a bad game but looking at the trends started in that game it is obvious Bethesda wants to appeal to the action adventure crowd and not the RPG crowd.

The Witcher 2 doesn't force you into *a* character. By that Geralt acts how you want him to act and not how someone else wants him to act. I imported my saves in which Geralt was the character I wanted him to be. Throughout the game choices I made in the first game were referenced which reinforces it is my character. The second one isn't any different considering the game can totally swing in a different direction if you make certain choices.

"Choice and consequence" related to plot branchings has never been a defining trait of RPGs. Historically it's more been along the lines of: "I have a bow and three arrows, do I engage the troll or make a hasty retreat? Engage!" Immediate consequences ensue. lol. TES games provide such "roleplaying" in spades.

And sure you can choose "which" Geralt you want to be,but you can't choose not to be Geralt, lol.

Oh yes you can. I'm guessing you don't know enough about The Witcher, Geralt of Rivia. I'm not going to give away the secret though. Too many spoilers.

I have an original unpatched copy of Oblivion and i've never encountered a single bug...

Let me put it this way, given the current amount of information I am already willing to play the game for a month straight and damn the health risks (and death). I'm certain it'll be good :DDarkhell153

I am happy I live in a world where I can love both equally and enjoy them all. Why should I pick what is my favorite out of my two children!?

Yeah, i think it will. Even though Witcher 2 is the boobies.

I would be hyped for Skyrim, but Oblivion was such a pile of crap that I'm not sure if Skyrim will actually be good. If it is like Morrowind, then I will definitely buy it though.

[QUOTE="morrowindnic"]

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] What quality? You mean not being able to break open doors, or jumping over small obstacles, or being faced with 1000 invisible walls?GeneralShowzer

Every game has issues, those are W2 issues. Thats not going to stop W2 from being much better then skyrim. Hell just look at all the interviews. Skyrim is going to end up being a disapointment just like Oblivion.

TW2 successfully wins over arcade action gamers, and thankfully, CD projekt red didn't attempt to woo the purposeless romaning gamers.

Gothic 3 is also free roaming, but choice-consequence is thare, purpose is there...Oblivion, on the other hand, depletes of any role-playing value except for cosmeticizing PC and taking quests (the vanilla leveling system is moot and so there even isn't meaningful character development).

Gothic 3 also relies on gamer community to make it playable, but the mods are to sort out the bug and make combat more enjoyable; that is, the core gameplay is intact...and we all know how and why Oblivion mods make the game more enjoyable.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="morrowindnic"]

Every game has issues, those are W2 issues. Thats not going to stop W2 from being much better then skyrim. Hell just look at all the interviews. Skyrim is going to end up being a disapointment just like Oblivion.

teardropmina

purposeless romaning gamers.

[QUOTE="teardropmina"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] 99% of RPG's have those "issues", constricted movements, invisible walls, what the hell do you want it's not a free roaming game.Starshine_M2A2

purposeless romaning gamers.

it'll be difficult for me to drop any attiude when you just do name calling so easily.

anyway, to me, role-playing purpose is brought about or realized through choice and consequence. hidden quests, phat loots and such are fun additions, but meaningless.

you like your ..... roaming games, I like my choice-consequence ones. am I clear enough?

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"]

[QUOTE="teardropmina"]

purposeless romaning gamers.

it'll be difficult for me to drop any attiude when you just do name calling so easily.

anyway, to me, role-playing purpose is brought about or realized through choice and consequence. hidden quests, phat loots and such are fun additions, but meaningless.

you like your ..... roaming games, I like my choice-consequence ones. am I clear enough?

[QUOTE="teardropmina"]

[QUOTE="Starshine_M2A2"] How is 'roaming' purposeless? its an integral part of most RPGs and provides the majority of the atmosphere for the setting. Also, if you're referring to material rewards, free roaming allows the uncovering of hidden quests and therefore hidden rewards. It is most definitley not purposeless. Drop the elitist attitude.

Starshine_M2A2

it'll be difficult for me to drop any attiude when you just do name calling so easily.

anyway, to me, role-playing purpose is brought about or realized through choice and consequence. hidden quests, phat loots and such are fun additions, but meaningless.

you like your ..... roaming games, I like my choice-consequence ones. am I clear enough?

of course, that's why I mentioned Gothic 3 in my previous post, as an example of choice-consequence free roamer.

Fallout 3 certainly has some choice-consequence in it, but we don't know whether it'll be there in Skirim; most importantly though, I don't think it matters, since c-c has nothing to do with why people are hyping the game.

the witcher 2 is probably a better game. But skyrim will be more accessible and so will do better with reviewers..... im looking at YOU jim sterling

the witcher 2 is probably a better game. But skyrim will be more accessible and so will do better with reviewers..... im looking at YOU jim sterling

jettpack

I remember General saying that, but we all say things like that at first and then have a change of heart later. The fact that he purchased the game, enjoyed it, and judging by his recent posts, he has been patient with CDPR while they get rid of bugs; I would say General is being really fair, among everything else. :D

Elann2008

Daggerfall, Morrowind, and Oblivion are some of the best RPGs ever made.

Bioware fanatics can't accept this. They make ridiculous excuses for any piece of crap that Biware makes, while bashing Bethesda.

Another point in favor of Bethesda - they aren't trying to shove their alternative lifestyle propaganda down everyone's throat.

Skyrim looks to have really great graphics and I liked the former elder scroll games, im just worried its going to be too simplistic, like mass effect 2 for instance, cause bethesda, aint as strong in story as bioware is, which is why - the gameplay is more important in skyrim, than it is in mass effect

Another point in favor of Bethesda - they aren't trying to shove their alternative lifestyle propaganda down everyone's throat.

Born_Lucky

Yep, witcher 2 is a bit overrated in my opinion. I honestly enjoyed the first one more. Elder scrolls never dissapoints because of the freedom and exploration.

Yep, witcher 2 is a bit overrated in my opinion. I honestly enjoyed the first one more. Elder scrolls never dissapoints because of the freedom and exploration.

nooblet69

[QUOTE="SilverSignal"][QUOTE="topsemag55"]

People liked Oblivion because of mods, and forget that it took three mods to fix the > 10,000 bugs Bethesda left in the game after they stopped supporting it.

topsemag55

Apparently you never had the game - I bought it at release, and installed over 70 mods. Three of them were the mods that fixed those 10,000 bugs.

I take it you never heard of the UOP, UOMP, and USIP mods.;)