Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500?

This thread is still going? Just to add fuel to the fire a GPU cannot bottleneck a CPU it's a ridiculous question.

It's a hard question, even if you read the topic title correctly. evildead6789

Topic title "Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500" In my book an i5-2500 is a cpu, not a whole pc.evildead6789

So how is it a hard question again when you answered it in one line.

[QUOTE="evildead6789"] It's a hard question, even if you read the topic title correctly. Bikouchu35

Topic title "Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500" In my book an i5-2500 is a cpu, not a whole pc.evildead6789

So how is it a hard question again when you answered it in one line.

I can't help that you guys use a different definition than we use here in silicon valley.

I can't help that you guys use a different definition than we use here in silicon valley.

GummiRaccoon

Oh please don't tell me you work and contribute on what the rest of the world uses, because if you do we are all f*cked.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

I can't help that you guys use a different definition than we use here in silicon valley.

ossama224

Oh please don't tell me you work and contribute on what the rest of the world uses, because if you do we are all f*cked.

Why is that? His was a pretty typical response of someone who works in IT. User asks a question, but it is pretty clear they don't understand what they are asking so he answered the question that you probably meant to ask instead of explaining to you that your question was actually pretty worthless.

Honestly, your OP was not very clear and just about as general as is possible.

[QUOTE="evildead6789"][QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

Lol you said it was hard question before in this topic. Besides we didnt know if a 1 line answer like this was going to answer his vague 1 line question so an argument broke out b.c op was mia until he gave the feedback that my question was answered. Also I was not replying to your post.

roulettethedog

No it is not a hard question. A sub- par G.P.U. is not bottle-necking. Putting a GTX 580 in a P.C. with an old Pentium C.P.U. is bottle-necking.

That type of thinking is what causes people to dump 300 bucks on a cpu and 30 bucks on a GPU, then we get about 10,000 questions about why their 2600k and geforce 210 isn't playing games well.

I have a few headless servers, web, file, etc. They don't even use a GPU for anything ever.

However, when you are on a PC hardware forum on a gaming website, the GPU (graphics card) sure as hell can cause a bottleneck in performance from day to day tasks and especially games.

Go ahead and try it out, get an old motherboard with really bad integrated graphics, with a decent cpu , play some videos, etc, notice the slide show. Now stick in a decent graphics card and notice that performance has increased dramatically.

Which peice of hardware that is a bottleneck is determined by the application you are using.

On my servers, GPUs can't be a bottleneck because they aren't even used. On my gaming rig it sure as hell can because it is the component that is utilized the most heavily.

[QUOTE="ossama224"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

I can't help that you guys use a different definition than we use here in silicon valley.

NailedGR

Oh please don't tell me you work and contribute on what the rest of the world uses, because if you do we are all f*cked.

Why is that? His was a pretty typical response of someone who works in IT. User asks a question, but it is pretty clear they don't understand what they are asking so he answered the question that you probably meant to ask instead of explaining to you that your question was actually pretty worthless.

Honestly, your OP was not very clear and just about as general as is possible.

really now, how general is "Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500k?" straight forward question either you know or don't.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="ossama224"]

Oh please don't tell me you work and contribute on what the rest of the world uses, because if you do we are all f*cked.

ossama224

Why is that? His was a pretty typical response of someone who works in IT. User asks a question, but it is pretty clear they don't understand what they are asking so he answered the question that you probably meant to ask instead of explaining to you that your question was actually pretty worthless.

Honestly, your OP was not very clear and just about as general as is possible.

really now, how general is "Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500k?" straight forward question either you know or don't.

that's exactly my point, you don't even know why your question is worthless. the equivalent would be like asking on a 4x4 enthusiast forum "how long will it take my f-150 4x4 get to 100 mph?" or "Is my suspension holding my engine in my truck back?"

In what conditions? while offroading? While towing? with cargo in the bed?

So what situation are you thinking of?

Web browsing? Looking up porn? e-mail? gaming? posting stupid questions on the forums?

So what he did was guess which question you were actually asking which was "Will my 4850 bottleneck my performance in games?" and the answer to that is yes.

Next time you want a good answer, ask a good question.

[QUOTE="ossama224"]

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

Why is that? His was a pretty typical response of someone who works in IT. User asks a question, but it is pretty clear they don't understand what they are asking so he answered the question that you probably meant to ask instead of explaining to you that your question was actually pretty worthless.

Honestly, your OP was not very clear and just about as general as is possible.

NailedGR

really now, how general is "Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500k?" straight forward question either you know or don't.

that's exactly my point, you don't even know why your question is worthless. the equivalent would be like asking on a 4x4 enthusiast forum "how long will it take my f-150 4x4 get to 100 mph?" or "Is my suspension holding my engine in my truck back?"

In what conditions? while offroading? While towing? with cargo in the bed?

So what situation are you thinking of?

Web browsing? Looking up porn? e-mail? gaming? posting stupid questions on the forums?

So what he did was guess which question you were actually asking which was "Will my 4850 bottleneck my performance in games?" and the answer to that is yes.

Next time you want a good answer, ask a good question.

Okay, what kinds of forums are these?

And i wasn't referring to his answer, i was referring to all of his pointless trolling that you overlooked.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="ossama224"]

really now, how general is "Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500k?" straight forward question either you know or don't.

ossama224

that's exactly my point, you don't even know why your question is worthless. the equivalent would be like asking on a 4x4 enthusiast forum "how long will it take my f-150 4x4 get to 100 mph?" or "Is my suspension holding my engine in my truck back?"

In what conditions? while offroading? While towing? with cargo in the bed?

So what situation are you thinking of?

Web browsing? Looking up porn? e-mail? gaming? posting stupid questions on the forums?

So what he did was guess which question you were actually asking which was "Will my 4850 bottleneck my performance in games?" and the answer to that is yes.

Next time you want a good answer, ask a good question.

Okay, what kinds of forums are these?

And i wasn't referring to his answer, i was referring to all of his pointless trolling that you overlooked.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="ossama224"]

really now, how general is "Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500k?" straight forward question either you know or don't.

ossama224

that's exactly my point, you don't even know why your question is worthless. the equivalent would be like asking on a 4x4 enthusiast forum "how long will it take my f-150 4x4 get to 100 mph?" or "Is my suspension holding my engine in my truck back?"

In what conditions? while offroading? While towing? with cargo in the bed?

So what situation are you thinking of?

Web browsing? Looking up porn? e-mail? gaming? posting stupid questions on the forums?

So what he did was guess which question you were actually asking which was "Will my 4850 bottleneck my performance in games?" and the answer to that is yes.

Next time you want a good answer, ask a good question.

Okay, what kinds of forums are these?

And i wasn't referring to his answer, i was referring to all of his pointless trolling that you overlooked.

Hardware forums on a gaming website, his guess was probably the most logical to draw.

I don't see any trolling? Trolling is purposely misleading people and purposely going off-topic, which I don't really see any of, as what he said was technically correct given the information he had.

[QUOTE="ossama224"]

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

Why is that? His was a pretty typical response of someone who works in IT. User asks a question, but it is pretty clear they don't understand what they are asking so he answered the question that you probably meant to ask instead of explaining to you that your question was actually pretty worthless.

Honestly, your OP was not very clear and just about as general as is possible.

NailedGR

really now, how general is "Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500k?" straight forward question either you know or don't.

that's exactly my point, you don't even know why your question is worthless. the equivalent would be like asking on a 4x4 enthusiast forum "how long will it take my f-150 4x4 get to 100 mph?" or "Is my suspension holding my engine in my truck back?"

In what conditions? while offroading? While towing? with cargo in the bed?

So what situation are you thinking of?

Web browsing? Looking up porn? e-mail? gaming? posting stupid questions on the forums?

So what he did was guess which question you were actually asking which was "Will my 4850 bottleneck my performance in games?" and the answer to that is yes.

Next time you want a good answer, ask a good question.

If the guy didn't know anything about pc's he would just have asked: can my pc run games?, is my hd 4850 strong enough for games?, how will my system perform?

Somebody that doesn't know a lot about pc's will not use the word bottleneck and the exact type and model of his videocard and cpu in the same sentence. The question was crystal clear, and a lot of you answered wrong. Now you're mad because some of us proved you wrong and you don't want to admit you made a mistake answering a question about something you don't fully understand.

There's nothing wrong in making a mistake, you were helpfull and all of us learn something new every day, especially when you're into computers or IT.

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="ossama224"]

really now, how general is "Does my 4850 bottleneck an i5-2500k?" straight forward question either you know or don't.

evildead6789

that's exactly my point, you don't even know why your question is worthless. the equivalent would be like asking on a 4x4 enthusiast forum "how long will it take my f-150 4x4 get to 100 mph?" or "Is my suspension holding my engine in my truck back?"

In what conditions? while offroading? While towing? with cargo in the bed?

So what situation are you thinking of?

Web browsing? Looking up porn? e-mail? gaming? posting stupid questions on the forums?

So what he did was guess which question you were actually asking which was "Will my 4850 bottleneck my performance in games?" and the answer to that is yes.

Next time you want a good answer, ask a good question.

If the guy didn't know anything about pc's he would just have asked: can my pc run games?, is my hd 4850 strong enough for games?, how will my system perform?

Somebody that doesn't know a lot about pc's will not use the word bottleneck and the exact type and model of his videocard and cpu in the same sentence. The question was crystal clear, and a lot of you answered wrong. Now you're mad because some of us proved you wrong and you don't want to admit you made a mistake answering a question about something you don't fully understand.

There's nothing wrong in making a mistake, you were helpfull and all of us learn something new every day, especially when you're into computers or IT.

Show me where you proved me wrong. You provided nothing but your opinion. I provided links which included the term being used by an enthusiast site in the same manner I was using it, I also linked you a definition of the word.

Basically if you were writting a paper, you would get an F because you didn't cite any sources and only provided an opinion but no facts whatsoever.

And you must not interact with users often because they come up with the most insane questions/theories ever while occasionally getting their specs down to a T.

[QUOTE="ossama224"]

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

that's exactly my point, you don't even know why your question is worthless. the equivalent would be like asking on a 4x4 enthusiast forum "how long will it take my f-150 4x4 get to 100 mph?" or "Is my suspension holding my engine in my truck back?"

In what conditions? while offroading? While towing? with cargo in the bed?

So what situation are you thinking of?

Web browsing? Looking up porn? e-mail? gaming? posting stupid questions on the forums?

So what he did was guess which question you were actually asking which was "Will my 4850 bottleneck my performance in games?" and the answer to that is yes.

Next time you want a good answer, ask a good question.

wis3boi

Okay, what kinds of forums are these?

And i wasn't referring to his answer, i was referring to all of his pointless trolling that you overlooked.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ossama224"]

Okay, what kinds of forums are these?

And i wasn't referring to his answer, i was referring to all of his pointless trolling that you overlooked.

SF_KiLLaMaN

Everyone that disagrees with him is an elitist of course.

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"] Its a cesspool of elitists with a few level headed people trying to keep the peace

GummiRaccoon

Everyone that disagrees with him is an elitist of course.

[QUOTE="evildead6789"]

[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

that's exactly my point, you don't even know why your question is worthless. the equivalent would be like asking on a 4x4 enthusiast forum "how long will it take my f-150 4x4 get to 100 mph?" or "Is my suspension holding my engine in my truck back?"

In what conditions? while offroading? While towing? with cargo in the bed?

So what situation are you thinking of?

Web browsing? Looking up porn? e-mail? gaming? posting stupid questions on the forums?

So what he did was guess which question you were actually asking which was "Will my 4850 bottleneck my performance in games?" and the answer to that is yes.

Next time you want a good answer, ask a good question.

GummiRaccoon

If the guy didn't know anything about pc's he would just have asked: can my pc run games?, is my hd 4850 strong enough for games?, how will my system perform?

Somebody that doesn't know a lot about pc's will not use the word bottleneck and the exact type and model of his videocard and cpu in the same sentence. The question was crystal clear, and a lot of you answered wrong. Now you're mad because some of us proved you wrong and you don't want to admit you made a mistake answering a question about something you don't fully understand.

There's nothing wrong in making a mistake, you were helpfull and all of us learn something new every day, especially when you're into computers or IT.

Show me where you proved me wrong. You provided nothing but your opinion. I provided links which included the term being used by an enthusiast site in the same manner I was using it, I also linked you a definition of the word.

Basically if you were writting a paper, you would get an F because you didn't cite any sources and only provided an opinion but no facts whatsoever.

And you must not interact with users often because they come up with the most insane questions/theories ever while occasionally getting their specs down to a T.

The only link you provided was about cpu bottlenecks and one that's comparing cpu's by measuring framerates, the gpu bottlenecked the framerates, not the cpu. The only thing you do is take sentences completely out of context and use them as an argument, do you know how that looks? like a child that wants to go into a discussion with grownups.

Dude you say you work in silicon valley and i gave you a thorough technical explanation, and you're calling it an opinion while it's just technical knowledge. If you say an output device will bottleneck an i/o device then I wonder what you do in silicon valley besides cleaning out garbage bins.

The only link you provided was about cpu bottlenecks and one that's comparing cpu's by measuring framerates, the gpu bottlenecked the framerates, not the cpu. The only thing you do is take sentences completely out of context and use them as an argument, do you know how that looks? like a child that wants to go into a discussion with grownups.

evildead6789

The thing that you aren't getting is I am not saying that that isn't a definiton of bottleneck. I am arguing that it is a multiple meaning word, meaning that it means more than just that, I am already aware of technical bottlenecks and the flow of data in a system.

You have the rigid stance "It means this and only this and words don't evolve over time" and I tell you you are wrong, they do evolve over time and one of the meanings of bottleneck is slowest part in a system, which I provided proof of. You have provided NO proof that what I am saying is wrong, you only provided a discussion on something I am not even debating bottlenecking as seen from the point of view from a software engineer.

So I tell you, provide me proof that the common usage of bottleneck does not mean slowest point in a system.

Oh please, you were being just as rigid in this thread. In fact, here's what you said when 04 tried to explain the "technical definition". [QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]That's not what bottleneck means and every person in this thread is on the same page except you.GummiRaccoon

IN THIS THREAD: 04dcarraher doesn't understand what bottleneck is.GummiRaccoon

The thing that you aren't getting is I am not saying that that isn't a definiton of bottleneck. I am arguing that it is a multiple meaning word, meaning that it means more than just that, I am already aware of technical bottlenecks and the flow of data in a system.(See last 2 quotes..Clearly not.)GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="evildead6789"]Dude you say you work in silicon valley and i gave you a thorough technical explanation, and you're calling it an opinion while it's just technical knowledge. If you say an output device will bottleneck an i/o device then I wonder what you do in silicon valley besides cleaning out garbage bins.

The only link you provided was about cpu bottlenecks and one that's comparing cpu's by measuring framerates, the gpu bottlenecked the framerates, not the cpu. The only thing you do is take sentences completely out of context and use them as an argument, do you know how that looks? like a child that wants to go into a discussion with grownups.

GummiRaccoon

The thing that you aren't getting is I am not saying that that isn't a definiton of bottleneck. I am arguing that it is a multiple meaning word, meaning that it means more than just that, I am already aware of technical bottlenecks and the flow of data in a system.

You have the rigid stance "It means this and only this and words don't evolve over time" and I tell you you are wrong, they do evolve over time and one of the meanings of bottleneck is slowest part in a system, which I provided proof of. You have provided NO proof that what I am saying is wrong, you only provided a discussion on something I am not even debating bottlenecking as seen from the point of view from a software engineer.

So I tell you, provide me proof that the common usage of bottleneck does not mean slowest point in a system.

I can understand that you thought his question was about his entire system but like i said before then I think he would have asked the question in a different manner, something like 'is my hd 4850 strong enough for games?'. But that aside let say he would have asked ' will the hd 4850 bottleneck my system'

If he would have asked will the 'hd 4850 bottleneck my system ' i would have found that a strange question because the videocard is the only one responsible for putting images on the monitor. As for the 3d calculations and the resolution, they are done for the biggest part by the gpu on the videocard. it's not like it's the data is just changing media like with harddisk , ram and motherboard or goes through the central processor.

So if the system wouldn't be able to handle a certain resolution or certain 3d calculations , then it would be the videocard's fault, the rest of the system has hardly anything to do with. So you could say the videocard is bottlenecking the system, but since it's the only part that's responsible for video output and 3d calculations , i think the word bottleneck would be a bad choice of words. You could just say the videocard isn't capabable or can't do that.

So you can't really say it's the slowest point in the system, because the videocard, nowadays, is a system with specific computational tasks on it's own.

Oh please, you were being just as rigid in this thread. In fact, here's what you said when 04 tried to explain the "technical definition".

red12355

Way to quote me out of context.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="evildead6789"]Dude you say you work in silicon valley and i gave you a thorough technical explanation, and you're calling it an opinion while it's just technical knowledge. If you say an output device will bottleneck an i/o device then I wonder what you do in silicon valley besides cleaning out garbage bins.

The only link you provided was about cpu bottlenecks and one that's comparing cpu's by measuring framerates, the gpu bottlenecked the framerates, not the cpu. The only thing you do is take sentences completely out of context and use them as an argument, do you know how that looks? like a child that wants to go into a discussion with grownups.

evildead6789

The thing that you aren't getting is I am not saying that that isn't a definiton of bottleneck. I am arguing that it is a multiple meaning word, meaning that it means more than just that, I am already aware of technical bottlenecks and the flow of data in a system.

You have the rigid stance "It means this and only this and words don't evolve over time" and I tell you you are wrong, they do evolve over time and one of the meanings of bottleneck is slowest part in a system, which I provided proof of. You have provided NO proof that what I am saying is wrong, you only provided a discussion on something I am not even debating bottlenecking as seen from the point of view from a software engineer.

So I tell you, provide me proof that the common usage of bottleneck does not mean slowest point in a system.

I can understand that you thought his question was about his entire system but like i said before then I think he would have asked the question in a different manner, something like 'is my hd 4850 strong enough for games?'. But that aside let say he would have asked ' will the hd 4850 bottleneck my system'

If he would have asked will the 'hd 4850 bottleneck my system ' i would have found that a strange question because the videocard is the only one responsible for putting images on the monitor. As for the 3d calculations and the resolution, they are done for the biggest part by the gpu on the videocard. it's not like it's the data is just changing media like with harddisk , ram and motherboard or goes through the central processor.

So if the system wouldn't be able to handle a certain resolution or certain 3d calculations , then it would be the videocard's fault, the rest of the system has hardly anything to do with. So you could say the videocard is bottlenecking the system, but since it's the only part that's responsible for video output and 3d calculations , i think the word bottleneck would be a bad choice of words. You could just say the videocard isn't capabable or can't do that.

So you can't really say it's the slowest point in the system, because the videocard, nowadays, is a system with specific computational tasks on it's own.

Those are good points, and honestly, I just guessed that way because the overly simplistic way in which he asked his question. I've had users refer to their computer as: CPU, Harddisk, memory, pentium, etc

Nowadays the GPU is pretty much always the limiting factor in games, however it wasn't that long ago that people had current CPUs that were too weak for games and a GPU upgrade literally did nothing for performance at all. It is still apparent when you pair a really high end video card with a really low end cpu, but it isn't nearly as bad as "I had 10 fps before, I upgraded my video card and I still get 10 fps" Those questions usually ended up coming from someone with a celeron.

Words often "evolve" because the great mass of ignoramuses use them wrong so often that the word acquires a new, unjustifiable meaning, or they misunderstand something to the point where their misinterpretation becomes the norm. For example, the word "pea" used to be "pease", but the semi-literate majority took it into their heads that "pease" was "peas" the plural of the non-existent "pea". Today even the best and brightest have no problem with the word "pea". Often a word arises, however haphazardly, to fill a gap in the language, and that is the case with the verb "bottleneck". A bottleneck (noun) is the part that first hinders the performance of a computer as you increase demand upon the computer. When we talk about graphics, we are always talking about the relative competency of the CPU and the graphics card. If the GPU maxes out while the CPU is running at 50 percent, the GPU is the bottleneck, and vice versa. A semantic problem arises when we try to verb the noun---a normal process in English. If we say that in that same case the GPU "bottlenecks" the CPU, it can sound like the GPU is causing the CPU to be the bottleneck, the way you "cuckold" a man, or it can sound like nonsense. The GPU isn't actually doing anything to the CPU, it is being the bottleneck in the system, but from the CPU's point of view it is doing something to it, the same thing grandpa is doing to me when he's doing 40 in the fast lane on the freeway with his left turn signal on. I prefer to use "bottleneck" only as a noun to avoid confusion, but I can't control the whole world, so when somebody asks whether his GPU is bottlenecking his CPU, I am perfectly sure he's asking whether his GPU is so much weaker than his CPU that upgrading it would increase performance of the computer for graphics-intensive games.Blistrax

Yes, and this is exactly why it is pointless to try and fight it when a word develops a new meaning.

Way to quote me out of context.GummiRaccoon

I think the problem with this term is that this generation turns everything into a verb. A bottleneck is a noun not a verb... To sum up, stop using bottleneck as a verb because it is not and it doesn't make any sense as a verb.GummiRaccoon

You have the rigid stance "It means this and only this and words don't evolve over time" and I tell you you are wrong, they do evolve over time GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="Blistrax"]Words often "evolve" because the great mass of ignoramuses use them wrong so often that the word acquires a new, unjustifiable meaning, or they misunderstand something to the point where their misinterpretation becomes the norm. For example, the word "pea" used to be "pease", but the semi-literate majority took it into their heads that "pease" was "peas" the plural of the non-existent "pea". Today even the best and brightest have no problem with the word "pea". Often a word arises, however haphazardly, to fill a gap in the language, and that is the case with the verb "bottleneck". A bottleneck (noun) is the part that first hinders the performance of a computer as you increase demand upon the computer. When we talk about graphics, we are always talking about the relative competency of the CPU and the graphics card. If the GPU maxes out while the CPU is running at 50 percent, the GPU is the bottleneck, and vice versa. A semantic problem arises when we try to verb the noun---a normal process in English. If we say that in that same case the GPU "bottlenecks" the CPU, it can sound like the GPU is causing the CPU to be the bottleneck, the way you "cuckold" a man, or it can sound like nonsense. The GPU isn't actually doing anything to the CPU, it is being the bottleneck in the system, but from the CPU's point of view it is doing something to it, the same thing grandpa is doing to me when he's doing 40 in the fast lane on the freeway with his left turn signal on. I prefer to use "bottleneck" only as a noun to avoid confusion, but I can't control the whole world, so when somebody asks whether his GPU is bottlenecking his CPU, I am perfectly sure he's asking whether his GPU is so much weaker than his CPU that upgrading it would increase performance of the computer for graphics-intensive games.NailedGR

Yes, and this is exactly why it is pointless to try and fight it when a word develops a new meaning.

Not impressed.

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