Does the graphics card matter ALL that much?

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#1 Verdance
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Hey guys,
My parents hate me, and won't let me build a PC... they want me to get a Mac D: I don't know THAT much about computers, but i was wondering how much a graphics card matters (in comparison to CPU, RAM, HD and stuff) for game performance. The new iMacs sport a 256 mb ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro. I did some research on the card, and it doesn't seem to compare with the stronger cards of this generation. I know this is a lot of trouble, and hard to predict... but do any of you think a 2.4ghz Intel Core 2 Duo with 2x1GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM with a ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro would be able to run Unreal Tournament 3 (or Bioshock or any game of that sort of caliber) well? Again, I know this is a shot in the dark, but ANY help on whether this card is decent or whether strong specs in other departments can compensate for a weak graphics card would be really help. Thank you so much guys :)
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yep it should run the game at medium tops im guessing but don't get a mac ive heard that you can't really upgrade them get a windows computer
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#3 Verdance
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yep it should run the game at medium tops im guessing but don't get a mac ive heard that you can't really upgrade them get a windows computer mastershake575

I wish I could! My dad just really doesn't want to let me get one - he's more familiar with the Mac OS, and if anything goes wrong, it's much easier to troubleshoot and repair for. I would get a PC if I could, but sadly, I can't :(
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Dude,tell them you hate them back.

Anyway,the HD 2600Pro should get at least medium settings,but like mastershake said get a Windows computer if at all possible.

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Graphics cards are the most important component for gaming!!!!! FACT!!!!!!

Graphics > CPU > RAM

well thats from what i know.

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Save your $$$ and build a rig. Any chance you could get a part-time job on the weekends?roulettethedog

Well, it's also that his company doesn't want a kid (ignore the fact that I'm a junior in high school) with a PC inside their firewall.
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If they want you to get a Mac, get a Mac Pro. Swap the 2.66Ghz Xeon's for the 2.0Ghz ones. Pair that with a X1900XT and you've got yourself a box full of win. If they won't concede to that, they'll probably let you get a Macbook Pro. Even though it'd likely be the same price.
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[QUOTE="roulettethedog"]Save your $$$ and build a rig. Any chance you could get a part-time job on the weekends?Verdance

Well, it's also that his company doesn't want a kid (ignore the fact that I'm a junior in high school) with a PC inside their firewall.

So, it won't be a personal computer. That makes sense that your dad doesn't want you to have a window pc. As for getting a job on the weekends, is it worth it to you? You might be better off getting a wii, ps2, or xbox(first one) with your own money.

EDIT: You could see if your parents will get you a console for a "back to school" gift. ;)

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Macs arnt for gaming, there fasion acessories there you take to starbucks and blog about the crisis in darfur with.
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Macs arnt for gaming, there fasion acessories there you take to starbucks and blog about the crisis in darfur with.markebici
If they didn't want to be victims of genocide they shouldn't have been born African.
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[QUOTE="markebici"]Macs arnt for gaming, there fasion acessories there you take to starbucks and blog about the crisis in darfur with.kodex1717
If they didn't want to be victims of genocide they shouldn't have been born African.

WTF?

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[QUOTE="Verdance"][QUOTE="roulettethedog"]Save your $$$ and build a rig. Any chance you could get a part-time job on the weekends?jed-at-war


Well, it's also that his company doesn't want a kid (ignore the fact that I'm a junior in high school) with a PC inside their firewall.

So, it won't be a personal computer. That makes sense that your dad doesn't want you to have a window pc. As for getting a job on the weekends, is it worth it to you? You might be better off getting a wii, ps2, or xbox(first one) with your own money.

EDIT: You could see if your parents will get you a console for a "back to school" gift. ;)


Ah! To go back to the "My parents hate me.." I've saved up 600$ for a console, and they refuse to let me buy one. 
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#14 Daytona_178
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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"]

[QUOTE="Verdance"][QUOTE="roulettethedog"]Save your $$$ and build a rig. Any chance you could get a part-time job on the weekends?Verdance


Well, it's also that his company doesn't want a kid (ignore the fact that I'm a junior in high school) with a PC inside their firewall.

So, it won't be a personal computer. That makes sense that your dad doesn't want you to have a window pc. As for getting a job on the weekends, is it worth it to you? You might be better off getting a wii, ps2, or xbox(first one) with your own money.

EDIT: You could see if your parents will get you a console for a "back to school" gift. ;)


Ah! To go back to the "My parents hate me.." I've saved up 600$ for a console, and they refuse to let me buy one.

ohhh, low blow!

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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"]

[QUOTE="Verdance"][QUOTE="roulettethedog"]Save your $$$ and build a rig. Any chance you could get a part-time job on the weekends?Verdance


Well, it's also that his company doesn't want a kid (ignore the fact that I'm a junior in high school) with a PC inside their firewall.

So, it won't be a personal computer. That makes sense that your dad doesn't want you to have a window pc. As for getting a job on the weekends, is it worth it to you? You might be better off getting a wii, ps2, or xbox(first one) with your own money.

EDIT: You could see if your parents will get you a console for a "back to school" gift. ;)


Ah! To go back to the "My parents hate me.." I've saved up 600$ for a console, and they refuse to let me buy one.

Then they're just a bunch of IGNORANT MAC FANBOY'S!!!! you should forget gaming altogether then...
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[QUOTE="markebici"]Macs arnt for gaming, there fasion acessories there you take to starbucks and blog about the crisis in darfur with.kodex1717
If they didn't want to be victims of genocide they shouldn't have been born African.

LOL???

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[QUOTE="kodex1717"][QUOTE="markebici"]Macs arnt for gaming, there fasion acessories there you take to starbucks and blog about the crisis in darfur with.daytona_178

If they didn't want to be victims of genocide they shouldn't have been born African.

WTF?

Hey, i was just makeing fun of people that use a tragedy to make themselves look intelectual

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Ok, Its parents like your's that make me wonder why we have parents at all...

I say tell them to f*** off and if you want to get a job and earn your OWN money, your mature enough to get one, and if you want to buy a computer with YOUR money, then who gives a f*** what they think.

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[QUOTE="Verdance"][QUOTE="jed-at-war"]

[QUOTE="Verdance"][QUOTE="roulettethedog"]Save your $$$ and build a rig. Any chance you could get a part-time job on the weekends?AARONRULZ1


Well, it's also that his company doesn't want a kid (ignore the fact that I'm a junior in high school) with a PC inside their firewall.

So, it won't be a personal computer. That makes sense that your dad doesn't want you to have a window pc. As for getting a job on the weekends, is it worth it to you? You might be better off getting a wii, ps2, or xbox(first one) with your own money.

EDIT: You could see if your parents will get you a console for a "back to school" gift. ;)


Ah! To go back to the "My parents hate me.." I've saved up 600$ for a console, and they refuse to let me buy one.

Then they're just a bunch of IGNORANT MAC FANBOY'S!!!! you should forget gaming altogether then...


QFT. I don't know if any of you have this problem... I play 1-2 hour of games a day (in the Summer) and my parents are absolutely convinced that I'm addicted, that my life will amount to nothing if this keeps up, and that I'm irresponsible and can't be trusted with my own hobbies. All of this is horribly untrue and incredibly frustrating for me, especially when my dad  is watch 3-4 hours of TV a day and looking me in the eyes and telling me that I'm addicted and wasteing my time. In my opinion, games are much better for you than TV is; they force you to make decisions, keep your mind fairly active, and they're much more rewarding than television. Whatever though, it is what it is... butyeah, if this keeps up, I'll have to give up gaming, which I really don't want to do cause it's something I enjoy doing in my free time.
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[QUOTE="AARONRULZ1"][QUOTE="Verdance"][QUOTE="jed-at-war"]

[QUOTE="Verdance"][QUOTE="roulettethedog"]Save your $$$ and build a rig. Any chance you could get a part-time job on the weekends?Verdance


Well, it's also that his company doesn't want a kid (ignore the fact that I'm a junior in high school) with a PC inside their firewall.

So, it won't be a personal computer. That makes sense that your dad doesn't want you to have a window pc. As for getting a job on the weekends, is it worth it to you? You might be better off getting a wii, ps2, or xbox(first one) with your own money.

EDIT: You could see if your parents will get you a console for a "back to school" gift. ;)


Ah! To go back to the "My parents hate me.." I've saved up 600$ for a console, and they refuse to let me buy one.

Then they're just a bunch of IGNORANT MAC FANBOY'S!!!! you should forget gaming altogether then...


QFT. I don't know if any of you have this problem... I play 1-2 hour of games a day (in the Summer) and my parents are absolutely convinced that I'm addicted, that my life will amount to nothing if this keeps up, and that I'm irresponsible and can't be trusted with my own hobbies. All of this is horribly untrue and incredibly frustrating for me, especially when my dad is watch 3-4 hours of TV a day and looking me in the eyes and telling me that I'm addicted and wasteing my time. In my opinion, games are much better for you than TV is; they force you to make decisions, keep your mind fairly active, and they're much more rewarding than television. Whatever though, it is what it is... butyeah, if this keeps up, I'll have to give up gaming, which I really don't want to do cause it's something I enjoy doing in my free time.

I'm rarely on video games nowaday's,but try to do EVERYTHING in your power to get your parent's to let you get a console or even a Windows PC if at all possible.
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[QUOTE="daytona_178"]

[QUOTE="kodex1717"][QUOTE="markebici"]Macs arnt for gaming, there fasion acessories there you take to starbucks and blog about the crisis in darfur with.markebici

If they didn't want to be victims of genocide they shouldn't have been born African.

WTF?

Hey, i was just makeing fun of people that use a tragedy to make themselves look intelectual

Sorry i wasnt accusing you of anything, i was just genuinely confused!!! Thats all.

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[QUOTE="daytona_178"]

[QUOTE="kodex1717"][QUOTE="markebici"]Macs arnt for gaming, there fasion acessories there you take to starbucks and blog about the crisis in darfur with.markebici

If they didn't want to be victims of genocide they shouldn't have been born African.

WTF?

Hey, i was just makeing fun of people that use a tragedy to make themselves look intelectual

Sorry i wasnt accusing you of anything, i was just genuinely confused!!! Thats all.

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[QUOTE="daytona_178"]

[QUOTE="kodex1717"][QUOTE="markebici"]Macs arnt for gaming, there fasion acessories there you take to starbucks and blog about the crisis in darfur with.markebici

If they didn't want to be victims of genocide they shouldn't have been born African.

WTF?

Hey, i was just makeing fun of people that use a tragedy to make themselves look intelectual

Sorry i wasnt accusing you of anything, i was just genuinely confused!!! Thats all.

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The notorious triple-post of legend strikes! I am awed.
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So, what would your parent's budget for getting you a Mac be?
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wait is this going to be your computer or home for everyone

if its yours, get that thing where you can have two operating systems mac os x and windows that way your technically following your parents orders your just making "adjustments";) i cant remember what it isso you can have two operating systems, googles your friend...

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yes it does, it has deticated ram in it so their is more ram for the pc to do the game, instead of sharing it with the grafix card, diminishing its amount of ram
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googles your friend... sabbath2gamer

Screw google...Yahoo! Search FTW!

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yahoo is the worst google has tons of more links

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the only thing yahoo is good at is yahoo answers and even thats sucks
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STFU...take your Google fanboism somewhere else...
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the graphics card is the single most important think for games. it will run them fine but dought it will run high or max very well if at all. there rest is fine
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Graphics cards are the most important component for gaming!!!!! FACT!!!!!!

Graphics > CPU > RAM

well thats from what i know.

daytona_178

Iwouldn't say that a 8800gts with a amd 3500+ and 2gb ram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>8800gts with core 2 duo e6600 and 512mb ram.

unless its over 2gb ram you are looking at it mostly would be gpu>ram>cpu

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Macs aren't for gaming because a lot of games are not released for the Mac operating system. That's probably the easiest I can put it to you.

How come your parents won't let you buy your own console? F*** that, dude, time to rebel!

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Macs aren't for gaming because a lot of games are not released for the Mac operating system. That's probably the easiest I can put it to you.

How come your parents won't let you buy your own console? F*** that, dude, time to rebel!

Wesker776
The only way a Mac isn't for gaming is if you don't want it to be. It appears he most certainly would be using said Mac for gaming.
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#39 Wesker776
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[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

Macs aren't for gaming because a lot of games are not released for the Mac operating system. That's probably the easiest I can put it to you.

How come your parents won't let you buy your own console? F*** that, dude, time to rebel!

kodex1717

The only way a Mac isn't for gaming is if you don't want it to be. It appears he most certainly would be using said Mac for gaming.

Because Mac OS's have Direct3D, right? :roll:

The only way you can turn your mac into a proper gaming computer is to dual boot both OSX and Windows. Run games on Windows, and do all your data critical stuff on OSX.

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Because Mac OS's have Direct3D, right? :roll:

The only way you can turn your mac into a proper gaming computer is to dual boot both OSX and Windows. Run games on Windows, and do all your data critical stuff on OSX.

Wesker776
Yeah, forget those games that use OpenGL; that's not a graphics API. And all those games running natively on the Mac? They aren't using Direct3D.
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Maybe your parents won't let you get a console/pc because you are so rebellious and ignorant. They are only doing what they think is best for you. And they DO know more than you. Remember that you will grow up and become a parent to as they were once kids like you. They understand. Trust what they say and honor them. If I had a child that talked as irrationally and disrespectfully as you, I would not think he deserved anything for gaming. You should be thankful that they will let you have a mac.
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Maybe your parents won't let you get a console/pc because you are so rebellious and ignorant. They are only doing what they think is best for you. And they DO know more than you. Remember that you will grow up and become a parent to as they were once kids like you. They understand. Trust what they say and honor them. If I had a child that talked as irrationally and disrespectfully as you, I would not think he deserved anything for gaming. You should be thankful that they will let you have a mac.jed-at-war

One angry parent very near...

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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"]Maybe your parents won't let you get a console/pc because you are so rebellious and ignorant. They are only doing what they think is best for you. And they DO know more than you. Remember that you will grow up and become a parent to as they were once kids like you. They understand. Trust what they say and honor them. If I had a child that talked as irrationally and disrespectfully as you, I would not think he deserved anything for gaming. You should be thankful that they will let you have a mac.portujoel5

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What do you mean?

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Maybe your parents won't let you get a console/pc because you are so rebellious and ignorant. They are only doing what they think is best for you. And they DO know more than you. Remember that you will grow up and become a parent to as they were once kids like you. They understand. Trust what they say and honor them. If I had a child that talked as irrationally and disrespectfully as you, I would not think he deserved anything for gaming. You should be thankful that they will let you have a mac.jed-at-war

Just wrong... if parents were always right there would be no need for childprotective services. Your comments are based on what? Have you witnessed the OP speaking with his parents to be able to judge the attitude or tone he had with them?

I feel for the OP and think your overly-protective parents should let you buy a console with your OWN money, and I am a parent.

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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"]Maybe your parents won't let you get a console/pc because you are so rebellious and ignorant. They are only doing what they think is best for you. And they DO know more than you. Remember that you will grow up and become a parent to as they were once kids like you. They understand. Trust what they say and honor them. If I had a child that talked as irrationally and disrespectfully as you, I would not think he deserved anything for gaming. You should be thankful that they will let you have a mac.tkemory

Just wrong... if parents were always right there would be no need for childprotective services. Your comments are based on what? Have you witnessed the OP speaking with his parents to be able to judge the attitude or tone he had with them?

I feel for the OP and think your overly-protective parents should let you buy a console with your OWN money, and I am a parent.

I did not say they are right, although one could think that I implied that. My main point is that he should respect them regardless. And I am speaking about what he is saying here, although I don't see how one could have so much anger and not express it in some way or another.

If they are "overly-protective", he should respect them even more because that means that I am right by saying that they only want what's best for him.

I do feel for the OP. It is just that no-one should talk about their parents like that. To their faces or behind their backs on a forum.

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#46 tkemory
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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"]Maybe your parents won't let you get a console/pc because you are so rebellious and ignorant. They are only doing what they think is best for you. And they DO know more than you. Remember that you will grow up and become a parent to as they were once kids like you. They understand. Trust what they say and honor them. If I had a child that talked as irrationally and disrespectfully as you, I would not think he deserved anything for gaming. You should be thankful that they will let you have a mac.jed-at-war

Just wrong... if parents were always right there would be no need for childprotective services. Your comments are based on what? Have you witnessed the OP speaking with his parents to be able to judge the attitude or tone he had with them?

I feel for the OP and think your overly-protective parents should let you buy a console with your OWN money, and I am a parent.

I did not say they are right, although one could think that I implied that. My main point is that he should respect them regardless. And I am speaking about what he is saying here, although I don't see how one could have so much anger and not express it in some way or another.

If they are "overly-protective", he should respect them even more because that means that I am right by saying that they only want what's best for him.

I do feel for the OP. It is just that no-one should talk about their parents like that. To their faces or behind their backs on a forum.

I am sorry but you are being overly niave if you don't think a teenager is going to vent when being told by his parents that he can't do something. IMO it is natural to do it here where they are anonymous, vs in the face of their parents. And because they are doing it here doesnt mean that it is being done in person.

I never once spoke back to my parents when growing up, but does that mean I didnt disagree with them in private or with my friends, give me a break...

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#47 jed-at-war
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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"][QUOTE="tkemory"]

[QUOTE="jed-at-war"]Maybe your parents won't let you get a console/pc because you are so rebellious and ignorant. They are only doing what they think is best for you. And they DO know more than you. Remember that you will grow up and become a parent to as they were once kids like you. They understand. Trust what they say and honor them. If I had a child that talked as irrationally and disrespectfully as you, I would not think he deserved anything for gaming. You should be thankful that they will let you have a mac.tkemory

Just wrong... if parents were always right there would be no need for childprotective services. Your comments are based on what? Have you witnessed the OP speaking with his parents to be able to judge the attitude or tone he had with them?

I feel for the OP and think your overly-protective parents should let you buy a console with your OWN money, and I am a parent.

I did not say they are right, although one could think that I implied that. My main point is that he should respect them regardless. And I am speaking about what he is saying here, although I don't see how one could have so much anger and not express it in some way or another.

If they are "overly-protective", he should respect them even more because that means that I am right by saying that they only want what's best for him.

I do feel for the OP. It is just that no-one should talk about their parents like that. To their faces or behind their backs on a forum.

I am sorry but you are being overly niave if you don't think a teenager is going to vent when being told by his parents that he can't do something. IMO it is natural to do it here where they are anonymous, vs in the face of their parents. And because they are doing it here doesnt mean that it is being done in person.

I never once spoke back to my parents when growing up, but does that mean I didnt disagree with them in private or with my friends, give me a break...

I am 17, and my parents didn't let me have a console/any gaming device until I was 15 1/2. I disagread, but I didn't disrepect them. Since then I have had three GCNs and two Xboxs. (all of them except one xbox has broke on me :()

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#48 jed-at-war
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Maybe your parents won't let you get a console/pc because you are so rebellious and ignorant. They are only doing what they think is best for you. And they DO know more than you. Remember that you will grow up and become a parent to as they were once kids like you. They understand. Trust what they say and honor them. If I had a child that talked as irrationally and disrespectfully as you, I would not think he deserved anything for gaming. You should be thankful that they will let you have a mac.jed-at-war

All I am saying is that he should calm down and respect his parents whether they are right or wrong. It sounds like they are doing what they think is right because they are concerned about him being addicted and ruining his life. I could easily see how that could concern them if they heard some statistics. College students play 3 - 4 hr a day when they should be studying!