Doesn't something about The Witcher 2 seem off?

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#1 Baurus_1
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When compared to Oblivion, Risen, Divinity 2: TDKS, and Two Worlds 2, something about The Witcher 2 doesn't seem right. I'm not sure if the combat in The Witcher 2 looks too chaotic or it looks more like an action-adventure game. Nonetheless, the combat system in The Witcher 2 seems vastly improved over the mess of the original. However, the videos of The Witcher 2 that I have seen make it look like it plays almost like Ninja Gaiden or the 2007 PS3 and 360 game named "Conan" with non-stop enemies and chaos. Is this the case?

How does The Witcher 2 play compared to Oblivion for example? Obviously, The Witcher 2 is not even in the same league as Oblivion; however, does The Witcher 2 really play like a real RPG? Is it really worth playing? Or is it just an extremely linear chaotic mess?

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#2 -wildflower-
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Wait, are you saying Oblivion is a real RPG? :lol:

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#3 Baurus_1
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Wait, are you saying Oblivion is a real RPG? :lol:

-wildflower-

I mean a real Action (in real-time) RPG, not a turn-based RPG.

And seriously? You are going to bash Oblivion which is probably one of the greatest Action RPGs ever made?

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#4 topsemag55
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Some didn't like the combat in the first Witcher because they didn't get used to it.

I could slay 5 wolves in one round, it isn't difficult to learn.:)

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#5 HellishKratos
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[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Wait, are you saying Oblivion is a real RPG? :lol:

Baurus_1

I mean a real Action (in real-time) RPG, not a turn-based RPG.

And seriously? You are going to bash Oblivion which is probably one of the greatest Action RPGs ever made?

No it's not, all you do is boringly swing your sword back and forth waiting for the scaled up enemies to die. Archery is a little better but all it turns into is: open with sneak attack, then back-step while shooting enemy. You are right about The Witcher 2 being in a different league though, it's way better than Oblivion.

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[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Wait, are you saying Oblivion is a real RPG? :lol:

HellishKratos

I mean a real Action (in real-time) RPG, not a turn-based RPG.

And seriously? You are going to bash Oblivion which is probably one of the greatest Action RPGs ever made?

No it's not, all you do is boringly swing your sword back and forth waiting for the scaled up enemies to die. Archery is a little better but all it turns into is: open with sneak attack, then back-step while shooting enemy. You are right about The Witcher 2 being in a different league though, it's way better than Oblivion.

I think he was talking about mods and the level of customization that the game has to offer. Not necessarily the combat.

Targeting is a bit off in TW2, but it feels right too me. Best hack and slash I've played in a while.

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#7 -wildflower-
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And seriously? You are going to bash Oblivion which is probably one of the greatest Action RPGs ever made?Baurus_1

Uhm, well, yes.

Honestly, I found Oblivion to be pretty much unplayable without being heavily modded first and, even then, it was barely mediocre. You can call it an action RPG but I'll prefer to call it an action-adventure game with bad combat, worse writing, and a bunch of broken skills and useless stats. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

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#8 JangoWuzHere
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Well for one, Witcher 2 is much more tactical in terms of combat. In Oblivion, you mainly just stand around waiting for the block and then begin your attack after you are hit, rinse and repeat. In TW2, you have to move around a lot more and use different types of attacks for different enemys.

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#9 Barbariser
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The Witcher 2 is not even in the same league as OblivionBaurus_1

You got that right. The Witcher 2 is one of the best RPGs released this generation. Oblivion is mediocre at best.

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#10 Elann2008
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When you mentioned Risen, Divinity, and Two Worlds, and comparing them to The Witcher series, I stopped reading. Even though I don't like Oblivion, I could at least understand why someone would use that as a comparison. The Witcher 2 is in the same league as Oblivion. In my league, it's much better than Oblivion.
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#11 deactivated-57a056b7d0034
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[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]The Witcher 2 is not even in the same league as OblivionBarbariser

You got that right. The Witcher 2 is one of the best RPGs released this generation. Oblivion is mediocre at best.

Agreed, however I would add that Oblivion only truly shine into a "good" game with the help of the modding community. In its native form, its average. IMO

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#12 Baurus_1
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Well I guess the new fad on these forums is to bash Bethesda Softworks' games even though it is well known that they have made some of the best RPGs in video gaming history (Oblivion included).

But I guess you are considered "cool" and "in the know" on these forums if you pretend to dislike Bethesda Softworks' games. I have seen this sort of behavior on other video gaming forums as well. It's obviously due to Bethesda Softworks' tremendous success in the video games industry. This has apparently caused some sort of weird animosity (from certain gamers) towards them because they have become what is considered to be a mainstream and popular company, and certain gamers don't want to be "part of the crowd".

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#13 jakerinobino
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It may look weird, but it feels right when you play it. The Witcher 2 is much better than the other games you mentioned, imo.

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#14 jakerinobino
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Well I guess the new fad on these forums is to bash Bethesda Softworks' games even though it is well known that they have made some of the best RPGs in video gaming history (Oblivion included).

But I guess you are considered "cool" and "in the know" on these forums if you pretend to dislike Bethesda Softworks' games. I have seen this sort of behavior on other video gaming forums as well. It's obviously due to Bethesda Softworks' tremendous success in the video games industry. This has apparently caused some sort of weird animosity (from certain gamers) towards them because they have become what is considered to be a mainstream and popular company, and certain gamers don't want to be "part of the crowd".

Baurus_1

What do you think is superior in Oblivion as opposed to The Witcher?

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Well I guess the new fad on these forums is to bash Bethesda Softworks' games even though it is well known that they have made some of the best RPGs in video gaming history (Oblivion included).Baurus_1

This isn't a new 'fad'. Bethesda have been dumbing down their games for years now, and haven't been close to making the best RPGs since...what, Morrowind?

I'm sure most of us, at some point over the last five years, have written at least 1000 words as to why Oblivion is one of the most woefully designed big-budget RPGs we've ever played (I know I have, many times). There are tons of posts out there systematically going through every single design choice and pointing out why they don't work, ranging from the obvious (your choices don't matter; the writing is god-awful; the combat is mind-numbingly simplistic) to the more technical (a majority of the (few) skills are worthless; the level scaling completely defeats the purpose of levelling; the AI and physics are so hilariously broken that...well, Bethesda had to be in on the joke, right?).

Fallout 3 resolved a bunch of these problems, but fails in quite a few other areas (such as 'being a Fallout game').

Anyway, back on topic, perhaps you should play The Witcher 2, before someone accuses you of trying to look cool by bashing a popular game. The combat is fine - definitely nothing like Ninja Gaiden. Your damage, spells, blocking-abilities, dodging speed, armour and special attacks are all determined by your stats and customisable items.

If anything, the combat is much more RPG-like than Oblivion, where even a feeble mage could hold his own in melee combat.

*edit* Also, I loved Risen, Divinity 2 and even Two Worlds...but the combat in The Witcher 2 is simply better than any of those. TW2 has Risen's punishing difficulty, without the clunkiness of the combat; it has Divinity 2's smooth combat, without the completely pathetic enemies; and...um...Two World's upgradable spells? Sort of?

certain gamers don't want to be "part of the crowd".Baurus_1

If everyone followed the masses, we'd all think that Twilight was the greatest piece of literature the world has ever known.

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#16 Makari
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Well I guess the new fad on these forums is to bash Bethesda Softworks' games even though it is well known that they have made some of the best RPGs in video gaming history (Oblivion included).Baurus_1
On this forum in particular, people have been shredding Oblivion since the day it was released. :P I still say Daggerfall's the best effort of their games, though. Yes, I am cool and in the know.
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#17 Crypt_mx
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Well I guess the new fad on these forums is to bash Bethesda Softworks' games even though it is well known that they have made some of the best RPGs in video gaming history (Oblivion included).

But I guess you are considered "cool" and "in the know" on these forums if you pretend to dislike Bethesda Softworks' games. I have seen this sort of behavior on other video gaming forums as well. It's obviously due to Bethesda Softworks' tremendous success in the video games industry. This has apparently caused some sort of weird animosity (from certain gamers) towards them because they have become what is considered to be a mainstream and popular company, and certain gamers don't want to be "part of the crowd".

Baurus_1

No you're not getting it. People are not bashing Bethesda. We are bashing Oblivion on its own. The reason is simply because oblivion took ten steps back from the previous game Morrowind. Oblivion had a generic setting, a generic story, 5 voice actors did the whole game, combat was meh, game had less weapons and items then morrowind, and overall the game just didnt have the same feel as morrowind. What makes the Elder Scrolls games so great is their unique take on fantasy games, and we didn't see that at all in Oblivion. All of the crazy creatures and lands visited in morrowind were now replaced by forests and horses, generic fantasy stuff.

Oblivion is not crap, it is a good game. It just isnt a 9/10 or a 10/10 game.

Witcher 2 is a real RPG. Witcher 2 is superior to Oblivion in every single way. The game encourages thought, and makes it so that any average conversation just may wind up being a huge turning point in the story. It is the RPG that gamers have been waiting for, and we have been waiting wayyy too long. When reading your concerns about combat in Witcher 2, just know that it is challenging and has a lot of depth. Charging in with your light and heavy strikes won't win the battle, at least not on anything but the lowest difficulty setting. You have to time your strikes, roll around to evade, and make use of your magic in order to survive. In the harder battles it becomes a matter of preperation. Making sure you drink the right potions to buff you before a fight can make all the difference.

To round it up:

-Bethesda rocks

-Oblivion was a let down

-Witcher 2 is awesome

-Witcher 2's combat is great once you learn it

-You should stop being so blunt with your opinion and be more open to what people are saying. I mean you made this topic for our input, hopefully you didn't expect your opinion to be fed back to you by everyone on here.

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Wait, are you saying Oblivion is a real RPG? :lol:

-wildflower-

Wait are you saying its not:lol: I love how everyone here twists and turns everything to fit the purpose at hand. Dose anyone here have a honset opinion EVER? pathetic

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#19 mrbojangles25
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there is more to an RPG than how they approach combat. If anything, how the mechanics of combat are executedare actually a relatively small part of a genuine RPG.

Resources, ideally, would be focused on:

-plot
-NPC interaction
-voice acting
-stat and character progression
-and much, much more

The Witcher 2 excels at all of these, and more. Sorry if you were expecting dice rolls, feats, and STR DEX CON WIS INT etc but thats your fault for stereotyping roleplaying games.

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#20 mrbojangles25
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[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Wait, are you saying Oblivion is a real RPG? :lol:

Advid-Gamer

Wait are you saying its not:lol: I love how everyone here twists and turns everything to fit the purpose at hand. Dose anyone here have a honset opinion EVER? pathetic

the problem is no one floats in the grey area, no one knows how to voice both opinion and objective criticism/praise.

Its always "Oblivion sucks cuz..."

Rarely do we get "Oblivion is a solid game because of X, Y, and Z; but I dont like it because Reason A, Reason B, and Reason C."

PC forums is slowly turning into a zone of fanboyism and ignorant nostalgiaism, with little to no room for moderates.

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[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]And seriously? You are going to bash Oblivion which is probably one of the greatest Action RPGs ever made?-wildflower-

Uhm, well, yes.

Honestly, I found Oblivion to be pretty much unplayable without being heavily modded first and, even then, it was barely mediocre. You can call it an action RPG but I'll prefer to call it an action-adventure game with bad combat, worse writing, and a bunch of broken skills and useless stats. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Late to the party were you? Oblivion was good for its time. It didnt age all that well, but alot of games dont.
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#22 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Wait, are you saying Oblivion is a real RPG? :lol:

mrbojangles25

Wait are you saying its not:lol: I love how everyone here twists and turns everything to fit the purpose at hand. Dose anyone here have a honset opinion EVER? pathetic

the problem is no one floats in the grey area, no one knows how to voice both opinion and objective criticism/praise.

Its always "Oblivion sucks cuz..."

Rarely do we get "Oblivion is a solid game because of X, Y, and Z; but I dont like it because Reason A, Reason B, and Reason C."

PC forums is slowly turning into a zone of fanboyism and ignorant nostalgiaism, with little to no room for moderates.

I have noticed. I post here for entertainment only, because god knows you will never get a honest opinion out of anyone. Site is like 3 or 4 different groups of zombies
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[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]The Witcher 2 is not even in the same league as OblivionBarbariser

You got that right. The Witcher 2 is one of the best RPGs released this generation. Oblivion is mediocre at best.

/signed

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#24 Planeforger
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I have noticed. I post here for entertainment only, because god knows you will never get a honest opinion out of anyone. Site is like 3 or 4 different groups of zombiesAdvid-Gamer

People might be a bit fervent about things, but that doesn't make them any less honest.

For example, my honest opinion of Oblivion is that it was a complete mess of a game. It was highly entertaining for quite a lot of hours, but unintentionally so - I had much more fun abusing the AI and physics (getting entire towns to attack one another, stretching people through tables, getting the corpses to talk, etc) than I did playing the actual game.

Sure, I may sound like a fanboy (and sometimes I play it up a bit), but I still wouldn't honestly recommend the game to people without a few warnings first.

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#25 mirgamer
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[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]The Witcher 2 is not even in the same league as Oblivionxuchilles

You got that right. The Witcher 2 is one of the best RPGs released this generation. Oblivion is mediocre at best.

Agreed, however I would add that Oblivion only truly shine into a "good" game with the help of the modding community. In its native form, its average. IMO

Vanilla Oblivion then yes, The Witcher 2 is on another higher level. But modded Oblivion or moddability in general...then thats a totally different territory that CDProjekts has yet to explore.
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Here are some statistics from this site: The Witcher 2 - 9.3, 2,524 votes. Oblivion - 9.3, 32,362 votes. Which basically means, that for every person who loved TW2, there were 13 people who loved Oblivion. You can bash it as much as you want, but you can't argue with numbers. And about TW2, it does feel kinda off. I'm in the middle of Chapter 1 (lvl 7), and it's pretty mediocre so far. The combat is still difficult and annoying (roll, attack, roll, attack and so on), the tutorial was awful (half of the stuff they were supposed to teach you i had to google, and i still have no idea how to use mutagens) and i'm really hating the arm wrestling minigame! I hope it gets better. And I'm saying all this as someone who loved the first Witcher (finished it twice).
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[QUOTE="PirateMaster666"]Here are some statistics from this site: The Witcher 2 - 9.3, 2,524 votes. Oblivion - 9.3, 32,362 votes. Which basically means, that for every person who loved TW2, there were 13 people who loved Oblivion. You can bash it as much as you want, but you can't argue with numbers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

And about TW2, it does feel kinda off.

1.0 odd? [spoiler]  [/spoiler] Lesson learned: make your profile private before you slyly attempt to appear to bash some of the elements of the game.
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#28 Baurus_1
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10 years from now, Oblivion will still be regarded as one of the best Action RPGs ever made, whereas The Witcher 2 will be long forgotten. The Witcher 2 is a flash-in-the-pan game and has no where near the staying power of Oblivion. Oblivion is a classic!

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#29 Elann2008
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Here are some statistics from this site: The Witcher 2 - 9.3, 2,524 votes. Oblivion - 9.3, 32,362 votes. Which basically means, that for every person who loved TW2, there were 13 people who loved Oblivion. You can bash it as much as you want, but you can't argue with numbers. And about TW2, it does feel kinda off. I'm in the middle of Chapter 1 (lvl 7), and it's pretty mediocre so far. The combat is still difficult and annoying (roll, attack, roll, attack and so on), the tutorial was awful (half of the stuff they were supposed to teach you i had to google, and i still have no idea how to use mutagens) and i'm really hating the arm wrestling minigame! I hope it gets better. And I'm saying all this as someone who loved the first Witcher (finished it twice).PirateMaster666
And oblivion came out YEARS ago... on PC and then on Xbox 360/PS3. Compared to The Witcher 2 being PC exclusive. Good try though... good try. ;)

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#30 Artekus
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The Witcher 2 is not even in the same league as OblivionBaurus_1
Thankfully not. TW2 is so much better.
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#31 Baurus_1
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[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Wait, are you saying Oblivion is a real RPG? :lol:

Advid-Gamer

Wait are you saying its not:lol: I love how everyone here twists and turns everything to fit the purpose at hand. Dose anyone here have a honset opinion EVER? pathetic


Oblivion was considered astounding and groundbreaking when it was released. Now sadly, people on forums like these mock it for trivial reasons and completely disrespect it. Oblivion was (and still is) an amazing game which some flash-in-the-pan game like The Witcher 2 can't touch.

The original Witcher was such a snoozefest that I may not even bother trying part 2. The original Witcher was unorganized, frustrating, and had a terrible combat system (well, apparently at least the combat system was fixed in The Witcher 2).

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#32 Planeforger
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And about TW2, it does feel kinda off. I'm in the middle of Chapter 1 (lvl 7), and it's pretty mediocre so far. The combat is still difficult and annoying (roll, attack, roll, attack and so on), the tutorial was awful (half of the stuff they were supposed to teach you i had to google, and i still have no idea how to use mutagens) and i'm really hating the arm wrestling minigame! I hope it gets better. And I'm saying all this as someone who loved the first Witcher (finished it twice).PirateMaster666

Invest in a few combat skills, such as improved blocking or the shield spell, and you won't have to roll around quite so much.

The tutorial was fine, and all of the extra info you need is in either the in-game journal or the manual (for mutagens, turn to page 23).

As for the arm wrestling minigame...I'm not sure what to say about it. It's usually dead easy if you've got a steady hand.

Also, why would you rate the game a 1.0 if you haven't seen anything yet?

*Edit* Okay TC, if you didn't like The Witcher 1, why bother making this thread at all?
By all accounts, the first game just barely missed being all-time c|assic (I'm paraphrasing Gamespot's review here), and this game is simply better in every way.

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#34 dakan45
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Its the big open world and the character customization. Eg, you cant be an archer in witcher or female. In any case, i am not sure i like the new combat system. I prefered the old one that was rpgish. The new one pisses me off when you get stunned if you get hit from behind.

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]And seriously? You are going to bash Oblivion which is probably one of the greatest Action RPGs ever made?-wildflower-

Uhm, well, yes.

Honestly, I found Oblivion to be pretty much unplayable without being heavily modded first and, even then, it was barely mediocre. You can call it an action RPG but I'll prefer to call it an action-adventure game with bad combat, worse writing, and a bunch of broken skills and useless stats. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Better than mass effect 2 gears of war combat...still, id rather that simplistic combat that the mess of combat the gothic games have.
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#35 R4gn4r0k
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But I guess you are considered "cool" and "in the know" on these forums if you pretend to dislike Bethesda Softworks' games. I have seen this sort of behavior on other video gaming forums as well. It's obviously due to Bethesda Softworks' tremendous success in the video games industry. This has apparently caused some sort of weird animosity (from certain gamers) towards them because they have become what is considered to be a mainstream and popular company, and certain gamers don't want to be "part of the crowd".

Baurus_1

I hate it when people say you just hate something because it's popular. People bring some valid arguments to the table as to why the combat in Oblivion isn't all that great and all you say as a counter-argument is "bu bu you just hate it because that is cool". What a weak argument, try better.

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[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

Wait, are you saying Oblivion is a real RPG? :lol:

Advid-Gamer

Wait are you saying its not:lol: I love how everyone here twists and turns everything to fit the purpose at hand. Dose anyone here have a honset opinion EVER? pathetic

Oh, wow, I've seen the light! I guess subconsciously I was being "dishonest" in my opinion because I just wanted to be cool or am hoplessly clouded by nostalgia. Oblivion is actually to a super, fantabulous RPG! You figured me out.

/end sarcasm

Look, I've written many times why I disliked Oblivion (saying many of the same things others have already said in this thread) so I won't rehash it yet again but I will put the onus on you since, after all, you're the one leveling the lofty accusations of intellectual dishonesty. Please, do tell, what makes Oblivion a great RPG? Was it the level scaling? The many useless and broken skills? The lack of choices and consequences? The laughably bad writing? The combat? Please, enlighten me.

I'm all ears (or eyes, as the case may be).

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[QUOTE="PirateMaster666"] And about TW2, it does feel kinda off. I'm in the middle of Chapter 1 (lvl 7), and it's pretty mediocre so far. The combat is still difficult and annoying (roll, attack, roll, attack and so on), the tutorial was awful (half of the stuff they were supposed to teach you i had to google, and i still have no idea how to use mutagens) and i'm really hating the arm wrestling minigame! I hope it gets better. And I'm saying all this as someone who loved the first Witcher (finished it twice).Planeforger

Invest in a few combat skills, such as improved blocking or the shield spell, and you won't have to roll around quite so much.

The tutorial was fine, and all of the extra info you need is in either the in-game journal or the manual (for mutagens, turn to page 23).

As for the arm wrestling minigame...I'm not sure what to say about it. It's usually dead easy if you've got a steady hand.

Also, why would you rate the game a 1.0 if you haven't seen anything yet?

*Edit* Okay TC, if you didn't like The Witcher 1, why bother making this thread at all?

By all accounts, the first game just barely missed being all-time c|assic (I'm paraphrasing Gamespot's review here), and this game is simply better in every way.

I gave it "1" at the prologue, after dying 30 times, and catching myself thinking "where the hell is the fun in this!?!?". Right now it feels a "6.5". I'll change it to whatever i feel like when i finish the game.

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#38 Darth_Kane
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When compared to Oblivion, Risen, Divinity 2: TDKS, and Two Worlds 2, something about The Witcher 2 doesn't seem right.Baurus_1

Yes, The Witcher 2 doesn't suck like the other games listed

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#39 KalDurenik
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Well all things considered TW2 > Oblivion in every way except mods. Sadly Beth have not done anything good since morrowind. And every new game they make is getting more and more dumbed down. Anyway... How in the world are people dying 100's of times in TW2?
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#40 tume-x
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TW2 is ridiculously good... When Oblivion came out I couldn't stand it, it just felt like a simplified, sugarcoated version of the previous Elder Scrolls. No soul at all, felt like a damn generic "product" instead of something created from the heart. In TW2 you can see that they had fun making it, and it has TONS of hidden jokes and easter eggs... so fun to find more of them xD The best part is that it's actually pretty enjoyable for someone who likes console-type games; it's not a super-complicated boring/nerdy RPG. It's a really well-paced game with tons of content, you can play it as an action game with your xbox 360-controller, or you can play it as a full-blown, robust Computer RPG - it's up to you. And the story/dialog, so brilliant. Everything has a consequence, and it's not a generic "You are either a good guy or an evil guy!" -type of deal, stuff just happens based on your choice (some character in your game/playthrough is your sworn enemy, but on your buddy's game he/she is your friend and ally), and you can skip entire places in the game. Everything you do affects the characters relations and storyline so much. Like the butterfly effect.
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#41 topsemag55
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Well I guess the new fad on these forums is to bash Bethesda Softworks' games even though it is well known that they have made some of the best RPGs in video gaming history (Oblivion included).

But I guess you are considered "cool" and "in the know" on these forums if you pretend to dislike Bethesda Softworks' games. I have seen this sort of behavior on other video gaming forums as well. It's obviously due to Bethesda Softworks' tremendous success in the video games industry. This has apparently caused some sort of weird animosity (from certain gamers) towards them because they have become what is considered to be a mainstream and popular company, and certain gamers don't want to be "part of the crowd".

Baurus_1

You should look at the obvious. I bought Oblivion at release. Bethesda stopped supporting it, and left > 10,000 bugs in the game. It took three mods to fix them all.

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#42 dakan45
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TW2 is ridiculously good... When Oblivion came out I couldn't stand it, it just felt like a simplified, sugarcoated version of the previous Elder Scrolls. No soul at all, felt like a damn generic "product" instead of something created from the heart. In TW2 you can see that they had fun making it, and it has TONS of hidden jokes and easter eggs... so fun to find more of them xD The best part is that it's actually pretty enjoyable for someone who likes console-type games; it's not a super-complicated boring/nerdy RPG. It's a really well-paced game with tons of content, you can play it as an action game with your xbox 360-controller, or you can play it as a full-blown, robust Computer RPG - it's up to you. And the story/dialog, so brilliant. Everything has a consequence, and it's not a generic "You are either a good guy or an evil guy!" -type of deal, stuff just happens based on your choice (some character in your game/playthrough is your sworn enemy, but on your buddy's game he/she is your friend and ally), and you can skip entire places in the game. Everything you do affects the characters relations and storyline so much. Like the butterfly effect.tume-x
I just want to say that in comapreison with what is out there nowdays, oblivion seems like a masterpiece.
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Well I guess the new fad on these forums is to bash Bethesda Softworks' games even though it is well known that they have made some of the best RPGs in video gaming history (Oblivion included).

But I guess you are considered "cool" and "in the know" on these forums if you pretend to dislike Bethesda Softworks' games. I have seen this sort of behavior on other video gaming forums as well. It's obviously due to Bethesda Softworks' tremendous success in the video games industry. This has apparently caused some sort of weird animosity (from certain gamers) towards them because they have become what is considered to be a mainstream and popular company, and certain gamers don't want to be "part of the crowd".

Baurus_1
Oh please, love it when someone hides behind popularity and critical acclaim and make out the people that dont like it are trying to be cool, fact of the matter is Oblivion is what you would truly would consider a MESS in terms of games design, sandbox, graphics and somewhat different A.I gave it its popularity, its finer details are a complete mess. you have to be blind not to see why people complain about ALOT of the games direction.
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#44 Birdy09
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[QUOTE="PirateMaster666"]Here are some statistics from this site: The Witcher 2 - 9.3, 2,524 votes. Oblivion - 9.3, 32,362 votes. Which basically means, that for every person who loved TW2, there were 13 people who loved Oblivion. You can bash it as much as you want, but you can't argue with numbers. And about TW2, it does feel kinda off. I'm in the middle of Chapter 1 (lvl 7), and it's pretty mediocre so far. The combat is still difficult and annoying (roll, attack, roll, attack and so on), the tutorial was awful (half of the stuff they were supposed to teach you i had to google, and i still have no idea how to use mutagens) and i'm really hating the arm wrestling minigame! I hope it gets better. And I'm saying all this as someone who loved the first Witcher (finished it twice).

The Witcher is a smaller studio developed game on one system, that just came out. Oblivion is on 3 systems, been out for for 4-5 years, and has a big name and avertising behind it. All that tells me is you dont know how to use statistics.
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Basing your opinion on a game by looking at all the positive scores and glowing reviews is not only faulty, but shows immaturity as well. Going further, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're trying to be "cool", "in", or "edgy". That's just childish. As I tell my students, you have to question everything you're given and form your own opinions. This is especially true for something as subjective as video game quality and reviews. The best strategy is to not only look at the positive reviews, but the bad ones as well. Look for trends and you'll be able to see where the game suffers and where it does exceedingly well. You'll also have a more informed opinion because of this.

Those who feel Oblivion was a sour addition to the genre have merits in their opinions. In my opinion, many aspects of the game were mediocre ranging from the combat, dullness of the world, skill system, and the leveling mechanics. While my opinion may disagree with yours, it doesn't mean I'm wrong or trying to fit in. It's my opinion, and I am entitled to it just as you are.

On the other hand, Oblvion has quite a few positives such as the graphics, modibility, massive area to explore, and many others I'm having trouble thinking of. But that's me though, I look for different things in my RPGs than many gamers do today. Graphics and such aren't enough for me.

Oblivion benefits from its modding community very well, but you can't rate the game based on the quality of the modifications players create. You have to look at the original copy of the game. As it stands, Vanilla Oblivion really was a mediocre addition to the genre. The two aspects that scored the game big points were two things: the graphics and the voice acting. Oblivion's graphics were new and beautiful at the time, while it was one of the first RPGs to have all of its characters voiced. A lot of reviewers had trouble looking past that, and who could blame them? Oblivion's world, while samey, was quite splendid to behold.

To think objectively, you must look at things from both sides, and not to deface a person who disagrees with you. For me, Oblivion was one of my biggest video gaming let downs of all time. I fed into the hype in a big way. I was pumped for its release. I waited years for the game only to get bored of it in a matter of days. I came from Morrowind with its strange world and deep gameplay, and Oblivion felt alien to me because of it.

Where were the consequences to my actions? I could join any guild I wanted to, train every skill, raise every stat. With time I could be a warrior/mage/thief and everything in between. Where were the epic dungeons and the sense of discovery? Most of the dungeons were copy/pasted layouts used by multiple areas. What happened to the feeling of going through the trials of developing your character, from humble beginnings to game world hero? That feeling was gone because everything leveled with you. The game could be beaten by a level two character.

I'm happy that Oblivion was your game, but regrettably, it was not for me.

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You're named after a Oblivion NPC and you say something about TW2 seems off?

This is a joke, right?

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#47 dakan45
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[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Oblivion is on 3 systems All that tells me is you dont know how to use statistics.

He did use one system votes not of all three. Also: "The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is simply one of the best role-playing games ever made." :D
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[QUOTE="tume-x"]TW2 is ridiculously good... When Oblivion came out I couldn't stand it, it just felt like a simplified, sugarcoated version of the previous Elder Scrolls. No soul at all, felt like a damn generic "product" instead of something created from the heart. In TW2 you can see that they had fun making it, and it has TONS of hidden jokes and easter eggs... so fun to find more of them xD The best part is that it's actually pretty enjoyable for someone who likes console-type games; it's not a super-complicated boring/nerdy RPG. It's a really well-paced game with tons of content, you can play it as an action game with your xbox 360-controller, or you can play it as a full-blown, robust Computer RPG - it's up to you. And the story/dialog, so brilliant. Everything has a consequence, and it's not a generic "You are either a good guy or an evil guy!" -type of deal, stuff just happens based on your choice (some character in your game/playthrough is your sworn enemy, but on your buddy's game he/she is your friend and ally), and you can skip entire places in the game. Everything you do affects the characters relations and storyline so much. Like the butterfly effect.dakan45
I just want to say that in comapreison with what is out there nowdays, oblivion seems like a masterpiece.

So, what you're saying is if Oblivion is not compared to other games we have now, it's not a masterpiece? Interesting.
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#49 dakan45
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[QUOTE="MythPro1"] So, what you're saying is if Oblivion is not compared to other games we have now, it's not a masterpiece? Interesting.

Yeah its a great game, i am just trying to get along but it seems some people really hate oblivion...interesting.
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#50 MythPro1
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[QUOTE="MythPro1"] So, what you're saying is if Oblivion is not compared to other games we have now, it's not a masterpiece? Interesting. dakan45
Yeah its a great game, i am just trying to get along but it seems some people really hate oblivion...interesting.

Which is no different than any other topic one may discuss. Why is it difficult to understand that there are some or even many people out there who dislike the game for what it is, and for what it offers?