duke nukem forever "the return of duke" trailer (censored)

No I didn't. If you want to paraphrase, what I am saying is you can't expect something dramatic and deep from THIS comedy. If that's what you want then you'll be disappointed, so why not look elsewhere?

guynamedbilly

Where did I ever say Duke should be dramatic and deep? I never said that. I simply argued that the comedy could be smarter, which again does not equal serious or boring. Is it that complicated? There are plenty of games now that can be smart and funny together.

Looks as cheesy as hell. Just the way it should be 8)Artekus

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

Can't it be smart and "in the gutter" at the same time? Duke Nukem would lose a lot of his personality if he lightened things up... he's so over-the-top... that's part of the "joke" and its also what I like about the character.

biggest_loser

How can you be smart and yet have such witless comedy at the same time?

They could at least write some clever and funny lines of dialogue. I'd be happy with that instead of just dick jokes and sexism.

Anyway, it's not your cup of tea, but I like it, so this isn't going to go anywhere. Oh and there's nothing wrong with sexist/dick jokes.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

Can't it be smart and "in the gutter" at the same time? Duke Nukem would lose a lot of his personality if he lightened things up... he's so over-the-top... that's part of the "joke" and its also what I like about the character.

smokeydabear076

How can you be smart and yet have such witless comedy at the same time?

They could at least write some clever and funny lines of dialogue. I'd be happy with that instead of just dick jokes and sexism.

Anyway, it's not your cup of tea, but I like it, so this isn't going to go anywhere. Oh and there's nothing wrong with sexist/dick jokes.

Do you really believe that? That there's a craft to the humour in Duke? I'm genuinely asking.

biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Do you really believe that? That there's a craft to the humour in Duke? I'm genuinely asking.

smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Do you really believe that? That there's a craft to the humour in Duke? I'm genuinely asking.

Phelaidar

I co-sign.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Do you really believe that? That there's a craft to the humour in Duke? I'm genuinely asking.

smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Do you really believe that? That there's a craft to the humour in Duke? I'm genuinely asking.

biggest_loser

Also it's just a 2 minute trailer... kinda hard to judge the "writing" of the game off of that. The sad thing is, I had more fun watching the 2001 trailer of DNF than I have had playing most modern games.

Why do you expect a Duke Nukem game to have some sort of complex, meaningful story? Have you played the earlier games (or games like them?)... they are all about mindless violence and giving $1 dollar bills to strippers. As a fan of the previous games, I'd be disappointed if they went in a story heavy direction like Half-life 2. The Duke character is stupid/cheesy and so the story should also be stupid/cheesy, but that's what makes it fun to me and others (maybe not you)... most games try to be something more and they fail, Duke Nukem is just trying to be an over-the-top FPS game... that's all it's trying to be, not some deep RPG or adventure game. So as far as I'm concerned, my admiration for this game doesn't distort my criticism of others. If a game is trying to be meaningful and it's writing sucks, I'll say it sucks.

Also it's just a 2 minute trailer... kinda hard to judge the "writing" of the game off of that. The sad thing is, I had more fun watching the 2001 trailer of DNF than I have had playing most modern games.

smokeydabear076

I don't expect it have a complex story, I just expect the comedy after 12 years to be a little above the mind of a year 12 old. It can still be a parody but that doesn't mean the writing has to be that dumb or crude. I never said Duke should be an RPG so I don't know why you said that.

It would be so much more fun to me if they actually put some effort and thought into making it a really clever parody. Its not beyond games these days to do that. There are some hysterically funny games that are neither crude or dumb.

I think its unbelievable that you will criticise a game for taking bigger chances and maybe not pulling them off entirely than one which after so many years is still pulling the same tired jokes. Surely you want developers to take more chances with games?

I get what you're saying in that it knows what it is but surely you'd rather see more Deus Ex in the future than Bulletstorm right? If both Duke and Bulletstorm are massive hits as expected you can bet your money more games will come out like this.

We're just feeding off our perceptions of the trailer yes and if the game is smarter and funnier than it looks than great!

It gets under my nose around here that as soon as I use the terms "sophisticated" or "smart" people think I'm expecting Duke to become Bergman-like or something...

I've referred to it a couple of times in this thread but again Tales is a perfect example of a game that is smart AND funny without losing its self-awareness.

[QUOTE="Artekus"]Looks as cheesy as hell. Just the way it should be 8)dakan45

Yes he does. Looking forward to it.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

Why do you expect a Duke Nukem game to have some sort of complex, meaningful story? Have you played the earlier games (or games like them?)... they are all about mindless violence and giving $1 dollar bills to strippers. As a fan of the previous games, I'd be disappointed if they went in a story heavy direction like Half-life 2. The Duke character is stupid/cheesy and so the story should also be stupid/cheesy, but that's what makes it fun to me and others (maybe not you)... most games try to be something more and they fail, Duke Nukem is just trying to be an over-the-top FPS game... that's all it's trying to be, not some deep RPG or adventure game. So as far as I'm concerned, my admiration for this game doesn't distort my criticism of others. If a game is trying to be meaningful and it's writing sucks, I'll say it sucks.

Also it's just a 2 minute trailer... kinda hard to judge the "writing" of the game off of that. The sad thing is, I had more fun watching the 2001 trailer of DNF than I have had playing most modern games.

biggest_loser

I don't expect it have a complex story, I just expect the comedy after 12 years to be a little above the mind of a year 12 old. It can still be a parody but that doesn't mean the writing has to be that dumb or crude. I never said Duke should be an RPG so I don't know why you said that. You say you want sophistocated humor, well how would you make Duke more complex?

It would be so much more fun to me if they actually put some effort and thought into making it a really clever parody. Its not beyond games these days to do that. There are some hysterically funny games that are neither crude or dumb.

I think its unbelievable that you will criticise a game for taking bigger chances and maybe not pulling them off entirely than one which after so many years is still pulling the same tired jokes. Surely you want developers to take more chances with games?

I get what you're saying in that it knows what it is but surely you'd rather see more Deus Ex in the future than Bulletstorm right? If both Duke and Bulletstorm are massive hits as expected you can bet your money more games will come out like this.

We're just feeding off our perceptions of the trailer yes and if the game is smarter and funnier than it looks than great!

It gets under my nose around here that as soon as I use the terms "sophisticated" or "smart" people think I'm expecting Duke to become Bergman-like or something...

I've referred to it a couple of times in this thread but again Tales is a perfect example of a game that is smart AND funny without losing its self-awareness.

The more "advanced" Duke becomes, the less appealing the character is, at least to me. And what you see in this thread is a lot of people who've played Duke Nukem 3D back in the day, and they still want that stupid, "12-year old humor". Why? Because it's still fun and funny to them. Hell, I appreciate Duke in much different way now that I'm older (I didn't really get it back then). Maybe it's been done before, but not recently, so it'll be refreshing to people like me.

And yes, I want to see more games with this approach on things... for example, I'd love to see a Conker's Bad Fur Day kind of take on Donkey Kong or Mario...

I'm really tired of all these pseudo intellectual, pseudo emotional FPS games. I just want to kill hordes of bad guys and have a good time. Sure, I'd like to see some more Deus Ex types in the mix too, but variety is still necessary, and right now all I get is a bunch of games that try to be like movies and fail, and as a result ultimately fail at being games.

But really, this is a stupid conversation. Your definition of funny obviously doesn't apply to everyone else... it's subjective, as is mine. So, I think it's funny, you don't... as I said before this isn't going to go anywhere.

And for the record, I'm not really interested in Bulletstorm's "humor", it feels too forced to me.

Tales is an adventure game but we're talking about game writing in general and how smart and funny can work together. That was my point by referencing it.

I'm not a professional script writer but I at least know that good comedy should be played straight without winking at the audience every two seconds. There's little craft to be found in writing toilet humour, whether you want to admit it or not. Maybe I'm just getting old (21 tomorrow!!) but its worrying that people here roughly the same age think thats really crafty writing. Is it really too much to ask for some witty one-liners instead of trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator? Duke could survive as a parody if the dialogue was actually funny instead of just embarrassing.

What pseudo and intellectual FPS games are you talking about? And I don't know which ones you mean fail because they try to be like movies. Duke is trying to mimic a lot of those 80s action films isn't it?

I don't see how Bulletstorm's humour is anymore forced that Dukes? How are they any different? Gratuitous violence, insane action, stupid one-lines and insults. You're only saying that because its probably going to be a more console orientated game.

I don't see how Bulletstorm's humour is anymore forced that Dukes? How are they any different? Gratuitous violence, insane action, stupid one-lines and insults. You're only saying that because its probably going to be a more console orientated game.biggest_loser

Well bulletstorm is mainly swearing over some bandits that the character kills. Duke is making fun of the situation and what you see at that momment. Its more scripted. Its on spot. However not very intelligent.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]I don't see how Bulletstorm's humour is anymore forced that Dukes? How are they any different? Gratuitous violence, insane action, stupid one-lines and insults. You're only saying that because its probably going to be a more console orientated game.dakan45

Well bulletstorm is mainly swearing over some bandits that the character kills. Duke is making fun of the situation and what you see at that momment. Its more scripted. Its on spot. However not very intelligent.

Tales is an adventure game but we're talking about game writing in general and how smart and funny can work together. That was my point by referencing it.

I'm not a professional script writer but I at least know that good comedy should be played straight without winking at the audience every two seconds. There's little craft to be found in writing toilet humour, whether you want to admit it or not. Maybe I'm just getting old (21 tomorrow!!) but its worrying that people here roughly the same age think thats really crafty writing. Is it really too much to ask for some witty one-liners instead of trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator? Duke could survive as a parody if the dialogue was actually funny instead of just embarrassing.

What pseudo and intellectual FPS games are you talking about? And I don't know which ones you mean fail because they try to be like movies. Duke is trying to mimic a lot of those 80s action films isn't it?

I don't see how Bulletstorm's humour is anymore forced that Dukes? How are they any different? Gratuitous violence, insane action, stupid one-lines and insults. You're only saying that because its probably going to be a more console orientated game.

biggest_loser

That it's not for you is clear and I can relate. That you like chocolate and complain that vanilla isn't more like chocolate is bizarre.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="blangenakker"]all I want is a god damn demo, for the PC! X(Elann2008

still annoyed at how you can only have 2 weapons, hopefully there will be a weapon available all the time and not just ones enemies dropblangenakker

Dudes, its like this. duke sees a hell ugly monste with boobs and says "id still hit that"dakan45

yeah... that pretty much sums it up.

judging from the trailer, this looks nothing less than expected from a Duke-title. i'm ready for it.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Tales is an adventure game but we're talking about game writing in general and how smart and funny can work together. That was my point by referencing it.

I'm not a professional script writer but I at least know that good comedy should be played straight without winking at the audience every two seconds. There's little craft to be found in writing toilet humour, whether you want to admit it or not. Maybe I'm just getting old (21 tomorrow!!) but its worrying that people here roughly the same age think thats really crafty writing. Is it really too much to ask for some witty one-liners instead of trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator? Duke could survive as a parody if the dialogue was actually funny instead of just embarrassing.

What pseudo and intellectual FPS games are you talking about? And I don't know which ones you mean fail because they try to be like movies. Duke is trying to mimic a lot of those 80s action films isn't it?

I don't see how Bulletstorm's humour is anymore forced that Dukes? How are they any different? Gratuitous violence, insane action, stupid one-lines and insults. You're only saying that because its probably going to be a more console orientated game.

guynamedbilly

That it's not for you is clear and I can relate. That you like chocolate and complain that vanilla isn't more like chocolate is bizarre.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Tales is an adventure game but we're talking about game writing in general and how smart and funny can work together. That was my point by referencing it.

I'm not a professional script writer but I at least know that good comedy should be played straight without winking at the audience every two seconds. There's little craft to be found in writing toilet humour, whether you want to admit it or not. Maybe I'm just getting old (21 tomorrow!!) but its worrying that people here roughly the same age think thats really crafty writing. Is it really too much to ask for some witty one-liners instead of trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator? Duke could survive as a parody if the dialogue was actually funny instead of just embarrassing.

What pseudo and intellectual FPS games are you talking about? And I don't know which ones you mean fail because they try to be like movies. Duke is trying to mimic a lot of those 80s action films isn't it?

I don't see how Bulletstorm's humour is anymore forced that Dukes? How are they any different? Gratuitous violence, insane action, stupid one-lines and insults. You're only saying that because its probably going to be a more console orientated game.

biggest_loser

That it's not for you is clear and I can relate. That you like chocolate and complain that vanilla isn't more like chocolate is bizarre.

That's a really bizzare way of thinking. The media should cater to everybody; just because a certain type of game or movie is no longer as popular as it once was doesn't mean there is no room for it on the market.

Hell, I think death metal is the worst thing in the world, but I accept that people often enjoy very different things.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="guynamedbilly"] The most bizarre thing is that you want this game to change to suit your specific interests and needs instead of you going out and finding a different game that you'd enjoy more. I'm with you in being disinterested in the game. I'll pick it up when it's in the bargain bin. I'm not going to tell the developers that they should make it like my favorite ga

That it's not for you is clear and I can relate. That you like chocolate and complain that vanilla isn't more like chocolate is bizarre.

KleptoZ

That's a really bizzare way of thinking. The media should cater to everybody; just because a certain type of game or movie is no longer as popular as it once was doesn't mean there is no room for it on the market.

Hell, I think death metal is the worst thing in the world, but I accept that people often enjoy very different things.

The trailer is great! I really can't wait!

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]I don't see how Bulletstorm's humour is anymore forced that Dukes? How are they any different? Gratuitous violence, insane action, stupid one-lines and insults. You're only saying that because its probably going to be a more console orientated game.dakan45

Well bulletstorm is mainly swearing over some bandits that the character kills. Duke is making fun of the situation and what you see at that momment. Its more scripted. Its on spot. However not very intelligent.

I cannot wait.

Nothing wrong with vanilla gameplay provided its done well

Doom 3, vanilla gameplay + done well = fun game

Quake 4, vanilla gameplay + done well = fun game

I hope for the same from Duke

[QUOTE="KleptoZ"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"] Chocolate doesn't change so I can see why flavours I don't like exist. Humour and so forth goes in and out of date and to me I think Duke Nukem is an anachronism that does not need reviving. Happy to be proven wrong when it comes out in May though. MaskJackal

That's a really bizzare way of thinking. The media should cater to everybody; just because a certain type of game or movie is no longer as popular as it once was doesn't mean there is no room for it on the market.

Hell, I think death metal is the worst thing in the world, but I accept that people often enjoy very different things.

Yep, you misunderstood, that's exactly what I meant. A game like DNF has it's audience, much like the Paradox games or Hentai games. Every type of media has a right to be out there.

Duke's brand of humor wouldn't mesh well with 'intelligent' (The term is misapplied, but it's the way people think of it) plot.MaskJackal

Spartacus: Blood and Sand features copious amounts of over-the-top dialogue, toilet humour, violence, sex and some of the dirtiest language I've ever heard. It also has a fantastic plot and excellent characters.

I'm not saying DNF will too, but it is possible to have a very dumb presentation backed up by a very smart plot.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]I don't see how Bulletstorm's humour is anymore forced that Dukes? How are they any different? Gratuitous violence, insane action, stupid one-lines and insults. You're only saying that because its probably going to be a more console orientated game.smokeydabear076

Well bulletstorm is mainly swearing over some bandits that the character kills. Duke is making fun of the situation and what you see at that momment. Its more scripted. Its on spot. However not very intelligent.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

Well bulletstorm is mainly swearing over some bandits that the character kills. Duke is making fun of the situation and what you see at that momment. Its more scripted. Its on spot. However not very intelligent.

biggest_loser

[QUOTE="MaskJackal"] Duke's brand of humor wouldn't mesh well with 'intelligent' (The term is misapplied, but it's the way people think of it) plot.Baranga

Spartacus: Blood and Sand features copious amounts of over-the-top dialogue, toilet humour, violence, sex and some of the dirtiest language I've ever heard. It also has a fantastic plot and excellent characters.

I'm not saying DNF will too, but it is possible to have a very dumb presentation backed up by a very smart plot.

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Yeah, that's why Bulletstorm doesn't work for me... not because it's "on consoles".

smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="MaskJackal"][QUOTE="KleptoZ"]

That's a really bizzare way of thinking. The media should cater to everybody; just because a certain type of game or movie is no longer as popular as it once was doesn't mean there is no room for it on the market.

Hell, I think death metal is the worst thing in the world, but I accept that people often enjoy very different things.

KleptoZ

Yep, you misunderstood, that's exactly what I meant. A game like DNF has it's audience, much like the Paradox games or Hentai games. Every type of media has a right to be out there.

Ah, sorry, your grammar was a little bit weird.

Starting to get amused by the "It's not the same as other modern games" posts. Seriously. DNF is bringing back what true PC gamers have wanted for years, and it's bringing it back win the exact same fashion.

There is no other game coming out in 2011 that's anywhere near what DNF is about, or with a similar style. Don't know about Bulletstorm, going to have to look into that.