Dumbstruck, HD-ready television question.

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#1 Epak_
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Okay so the thing is that I bought this 32" Philips TV (Philips PFL5404h 12). I was told at the store that it's HD-ready (only capable of 720p output? The product info says that it has a 1366x768p HD LCD screen). Now the PS3 and the 360 put 1080p as the default resolution. I can also choose 1080p through VGA from my PC. I'm wondering what's up? The TV's info screen also states 'HD 1080p' as the resolution (I'm running Jet Li's Fearless Blu-ray atm) and the internal manual says that it indeed has a Full-HD screen.

My sister has a 32" HD-ready Samsung and 720p is the highest resolution it can output. Can anyone enlighten me with this issue? Does it just downscale the picture or what?

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#2 snackdaddy
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Yes, it's simply downscaling it.

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#3 Epak_
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Yeah I just scanned through the HDTV sticky and I guess that's it.

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#4 rastan
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Change your settings so that the XBOX and PS3 output 720p and you should get a better picture without the downscaling step. Basically, your PS3/360 are upscaling and then the TV is downscaling. Eliminate those 2 steps and theoretically you will have a better picture.
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#5 Epak_
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Change your settings so that the XBOX and PS3 output 720p and you should get a better picture without the downscaling step. Basically, your PS3/360 are upscaling and then the TV is downscaling. Eliminate those 2 steps and theoretically you will have a better picture.rastan

I don't know. 1080p does look cleaner/sharper. 720p is kinda fuzzier, at least on the PS3 menus. Gotta check out the 360.

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#6 snackdaddy
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[QUOTE="rastan"]Change your settings so that the XBOX and PS3 output 720p and you should get a better picture without the downscaling step. Basically, your PS3/360 are upscaling and then the TV is downscaling. Eliminate those 2 steps and theoretically you will have a better picture.Epak_

I don't know. 1080p does look cleaner/sharper. 720p is kinda fuzzier, at least on the PS3 menus. Gotta check out the 360.

Well, do which ever one looks better, but I would have said Rastan's suggestion was definitely the best way. There could be a possibility for some video lag with the extra scaling going on, but if it's not noticable than don't worry about it.

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#7 rastan
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Definitely do what looks best, but normally the best picture will be at the sets native resolution. Possible the scaling is introducing false sharpness?
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[QUOTE="Epak_"]

Okay so the thing is that I bought this 32" Philips TV (Philips PFL5404h 12). I was told at the store that it's HD-ready (only capable of 720p output? The product info says that it has a 1366x768p HD LCD screen). Now the PS3 and the 360 put 1080p as the default resolution. I can also choose 1080p through VGA from my PC. I'm wondering what's up? The TV's info screen also states 'HD 1080p' as the resolution (I'm running Jet Li's Fearless Blu-ray atm) and the internal manual says that it indeed has a Full-HD screen.

My sister has a 32" HD-ready Samsung and 720p is the highest resolution it can output. Can anyone enlighten me with this issue? Does it just downscale the picture or what?

you sure its 32` not 42` not sure if philips even makes 32` 1080 p tvs. only sony and samsung get away with dooping people to buy 1080 p tvs of that size with their brand names. plug in the hdmi in ur ps3 and go to display settings. have the ps3 auto detect. if it comes up 1080 p after you do that. then ur tv is 1080 p. if your tv was 720 p it wouldnt show up as 1080 p....
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I also have a 32" LCD TV (LG Electronics 32LG3000) which according to the product specifications has a native resolution of 1366 x 768. I'm also a bit puzzled about the resolution my Xbox 360 produces. When I go to change the display settings and choose the "Optimal Resolution" option, it gets set to 1360 x 768.

I'm curious as to what happened to the 6 remaining pixels...

On another note, does having a higher resolution setting affect the performance of my games? Hmm...

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#10 rastan
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Most XBox 360 games are native 720p. Setting the XBox to output 1080p forces it to upconvert the resolution. Upscaling shouldn't affect game performance, but can introduce artifacts. On the other hand, if the game is 1080p (again very few are) then to get that higher resolution natively, the frame rate often has to drop.
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[QUOTE="Epak_"]

Okay so the thing is that I bought this 32" Philips TV (Philips PFL5404h 12). I was told at the store that it's HD-ready (only capable of 720p output? The product info says that it has a 1366x768p HD LCD screen). Now the PS3 and the 360 put 1080p as the default resolution. I can also choose 1080p through VGA from my PC. I'm wondering what's up? The TV's info screen also states 'HD 1080p' as the resolution (I'm running Jet Li's Fearless Blu-ray atm) and the internal manual says that it indeed has a Full-HD screen.

My sister has a 32" HD-ready Samsung and 720p is the highest resolution it can output. Can anyone enlighten me with this issue? Does it just downscale the picture or what?

monson21502

you sure its 32` not 42` not sure if philips even makes 32` 1080 p tvs. only sony and samsung get away with dooping people to buy 1080 p tvs of that size with their brand names. plug in the hdmi in ur ps3 and go to display settings. have the ps3 auto detect. if it comes up 1080 p after you do that. then ur tv is 1080 p. if your tv was 720 p it wouldnt show up as 1080 p....



You obviously dont know what your talking about.

You can get 22" 1080p monitors. Size really has nothing to do with it.

1080p is 1080p which is 1920 x 1080 and will always be 1920 x 1080. This does not change due to screen size,

1080p at 22" will look exactly the same as 1080p at 60 if both are viewed at the correct distance. Its the viewing distance that matters, not the size of the TV/Monitor.

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#12 rastan
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Up until recently very few TV's under 40" were 1080p. Monitors are a different story. Size does have a lot to do with it in that the human eye needs to be within a certain distance for a set size TV to be able to distinguish the difference between 720p and 1080p. Monitors have had it on smaller screens longer as usually you sit very close to a computer monitor so the difference is noticeable in the larger screens available today (That still doesn't mean you necessarily want a 12" 1080p screen as that would make for some very tiny details that would be hard to see). For a 32" set, you would have to sit closer than 4' from it to see the difference between 720p and 1080p. Here's a reference chart http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
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#13 shawty1984
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Up until recently very few TV's under 40" were 1080p. Monitors are a different story. Size does have a lot to do with it in that the human eye needs to be within a certain distance for a set size TV to be able to distinguish the difference between 720p and 1080p. Monitors have had it on smaller screens longer as usually you sit very close to a computer monitor so the difference is noticeable in the larger screens available today (That still doesn't mean you necessarily want a 12" 1080p screen as that would make for some very tiny details that would be hard to see). For a 32" set, you would have to sit closer than 4' from it to see the difference between 720p and 1080p. Here's a reference chart http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.htmlrastan


Monitors are not a different story. A resolution is a resolution, regardless if its a TV or Monitor. 1080p is 1080p and 1920 x 1080 is 1920 x 1080. This doesnt change be it a Monitor or TV, nor does it change for TV size.

What I meant is size has nothing to do with it by itself. People say 1080p is pointless under 32" which is utter tosh. Size itself has nothing to do with 1080p Its size relevant to viewing distance. 1080p will look the same at 22" as it will at 60" if both are viewed from the correct distance.

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#14 rastan
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Exactly, but the distance must be within the human limits of vision or 1080p/720p are indistinguishable. The reason I say monitors are a different story is that normally you sit much closer to a monitor than a TV and as such the higher resolutions were available in smaller monitors before they ever became available on bigger TV's.
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#15 shawty1984
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Exactly, but the distance must be within the human limits of vision or 1080p/720p are indistinguishable. The reason I say monitors are a different story is that normally you sit much closer to a monitor than a TV and as such the higher resolutions were available in smaller monitors before they ever became available on bigger TV's.rastan


And for 22", they are.

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#16 Epak_
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[QUOTE="Epak_"]

Okay so the thing is that I bought this 32" Philips TV (Philips PFL5404h 12). I was told at the store that it's HD-ready (only capable of 720p output? The product info says that it has a 1366x768p HD LCD screen). Now the PS3 and the 360 put 1080p as the default resolution. I can also choose 1080p through VGA from my PC. I'm wondering what's up? The TV's info screen also states 'HD 1080p' as the resolution (I'm running Jet Li's Fearless Blu-ray atm) and the internal manual says that it indeed has a Full-HD screen.

My sister has a 32" HD-ready Samsung and 720p is the highest resolution it can output. Can anyone enlighten me with this issue? Does it just downscale the picture or what?

monson21502

you sure its 32` not 42` not sure if philips even makes 32` 1080 p tvs. only sony and samsung get away with dooping people to buy 1080 p tvs of that size with their brand names. plug in the hdmi in ur ps3 and go to display settings. have the ps3 auto detect. if it comes up 1080 p after you do that. then ur tv is 1080 p. if your tv was 720 p it wouldnt show up as 1080 p....

I'm quite sure I can distinguish the difference between 32" and 42" :P

It just happens to support 1080p from 24Hz up to 60Hz but the actual screen resolution is still 1366x768p. Why not limit the resolution to 720p (or 1360x768|) like my sisters Samsung does?

I've had no lag or other problems with games so far.