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Laughable. Aside from the writing, Obsidian really dropped the ball on this one. Something as simple as having tight controls on the PC was totally abandoned. It's a bad game, and I'm an Obsidian fan. :/Elann2008If you hate the keyboard/mouse controls so much, it's not so difficult to just plug in an Xbox-PC controller which works flawlessly (not that the keyboard/mouse controls are that bad in the first place).
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]This thread makes sense.. Comparing a full game that has been out for awhile.. To one in which people can only play a very limited beta ormore akin to a demo.. Viper5121So far, I have only played the demo of each, and Dungeon Siege 3 is the better game. Try playing the entire Dungeon Siege 3 game, and you'll see how bad it is.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]This thread makes sense.. Comparing a full game that has been out for awhile.. To one in which people can only play a very limited beta ormore akin to a demo.. Viper5121So far, I have only played the demo of each, and Dungeon Siege 3 is the better game. HAHAHAHHAHAHHA. So you are basing your whole "review" and opinion on a DEMO and a BETA. And then you tell ME to try the game out myself?
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]This thread makes sense.. Comparing a full game that has been out for awhile.. To one in which people can only play a very limited beta ormore akin to a demo.. Viper5121So far, I have only played the demo of each, and Dungeon Siege 3 is the better game.
That statement doesn't validate your opinion.
[QUOTE="Viper5121"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]This thread makes sense.. Comparing a full game that has been out for awhile.. To one in which people can only play a very limited beta ormore akin to a demo.. Elann2008So far, I have only played the demo of each, and Dungeon Siege 3 is the better game. Try playing the entire Dungeon Siege 3 game, and you'll see how bad it is. Very unlikely. I have never played a game where the demo was good but the full version was bad.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]This thread makes sense.. Comparing a full game that has been out for awhile.. To one in which people can only play a very limited beta ormore akin to a demo.. Viper5121So far, I have only played the demo of each, and Dungeon Siege 3 is the better game.
Wow dude, you should open a temple of wisdom and understandind with that one
Dungeon siege3's kept me for about 2 hours, and I thought that's the worst graphic and combat PC has to offer, and then I tried Diablo 3.... I have to say you are right TC.
I don't know. I played dungeon siege 3 and it's not that great. Granted I thought it was a decent game but Diablo 3 is way better. Just what I've seen from the beta is great so far. My only complaint would be the lack of customization as far as skills/abilities go but given that it's only a very limited part of the game I don't think(or I hope it won't) be much of a problem in the actual game.
I wish people start to realize that Beta does not equal demo
jaay55
True, but does a game really change from Beta to final?
That much?
I'm asking cause I've only been like in 2 Betas all my life.
[QUOTE="jaay55"]
I wish people start to realize that Beta does not equal demo
FelipeInside
True, but does a game really change from Beta to final?
That much?
I'm asking cause I've only been like in 2 Betas all my life.
Because the beta doesn't represent what we'll see further in the game.[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="jaay55"]
I wish people start to realize that Beta does not equal demo
MonsieurX
True, but does a game really change from Beta to final?
That much?
I'm asking cause I've only been like in 2 Betas all my life.
Because the beta doesn't represent what we'll see further in the game. Its hilarious people don't understand this.. If this were true Diablo 2 would have SUCKED majorly if the game offered everything with the Den of Evil and Blood Raven in normal difficulty.. Hell any RPG player in general shoudl understand this, I can't think of a single rpg out there that offers everything within the first two hours.. Whether new or old rpg's. If this were the case games like Baldur's Gate 2 would have sucked because the first parts of the game, the dungeon, is in no way telling of the actual game.[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="jaay55"]
I wish people start to realize that Beta does not equal demo
MonsieurX
True, but does a game really change from Beta to final?
That much?
I'm asking cause I've only been like in 2 Betas all my life.
Because the beta doesn't represent what we'll see further in the game. Hell I wouldn't even call this a real beta, this is the most restricted beta I have ever been in..[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Because the beta doesn't represent what we'll see further in the game. Hell I wouldn't even call this a real beta, this is the most restricted beta I have ever been in.. And the excuses for Diablo 3's mediocrity continue.................True, but does a game really change from Beta to final?
That much?
I'm asking cause I've only been like in 2 Betas all my life.
sSubZerOo
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Because the beta doesn't represent what we'll see further in the game.Viper5121Hell I wouldn't even call this a real beta, this is the most restricted beta I have ever been in.. And the excuses for Diablo 3's mediocrity continue................. No thats the case, most betas I have been in say for instance a online rpg your able to play immense amounts of the game.. This is more or less a very small demo.... Its really not a excuse because I am not sure how Diablo 3 will turn out one way or the other.. Outside of the graphics (which I liked alot) the game hardly showed much if we are going to compare it to around the same point in Diablo 2.
[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Because the beta doesn't represent what we'll see further in the game. Its hilarious people don't understand this.. If this were true Diablo 2 would have SUCKED majorly if the game offered everything with the Den of Evil and Blood Raven in normal difficulty.. Hell any RPG player in general shoudl understand this, I can't think of a single rpg out there that offers everything within the first two hours.. Whether new or old rpg's. If this were the case games like Baldur's Gate 2 would have sucked because the first parts of the game, the dungeon, is in no way telling of the actual game. I do understand this, I was just asking what things changed and stuff since like I said I've only been in 2 betas in my life. Geez...True, but does a game really change from Beta to final?
That much?
I'm asking cause I've only been like in 2 Betas all my life.
sSubZerOo
I am just saying that it is kind of ridic that people are claiming that this game sucks, when it is such a small portion that they are playing. And it is a BETA at that. The point of a Beta is to test and fix bugs that are found during a close as possible environment to its final release. The point of a demo is to promote selling and of course it will be as polished as possible.
It doesn't matter to me if people like it or not. Hell, people might be right and maybe it will be a bad game. BUT judging that it is a bad game / boring game from this extremely limited open beta is crazy talk.
I just watched a friend play the Diablo 3 Beta. Now I am one of the biggest Diablo fans there is, and will be buying the game Day 1, but the graphics seemed a bit.....hard to explain...SMOOTH? As in they should be a bit more crisp? Does anyone else notice this? I'm not saying it looks bad, just that the first gameplay videos I saw they looked crisper, and on my friend's PC they looked smoothed out, or washed out....???FelipeInside
The washed out, could be his monitor settings, the other could be he didn't have all the graphical settings turned up.. IDK.
Nvidia has AO which makes it pop more. Does he use AMD/ati?
I also hear that there might be an ultra setting in the graphics options, on final release.
Guess we will all see in less than a month.
[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]I just watched a friend play the Diablo 3 Beta. Now I am one of the biggest Diablo fans there is, and will be buying the game Day 1, but the graphics seemed a bit.....hard to explain...SMOOTH? As in they should be a bit more crisp? Does anyone else notice this? I'm not saying it looks bad, just that the first gameplay videos I saw they looked crisper, and on my friend's PC they looked smoothed out, or washed out....???Lach0121
The washed out, could be his monitor settings, the other could be he didn't have all the graphical settings turned up.. IDK.
Nvidia has AO which makes it pop more. Does he use AMD/ati?
I also hear that there might be an ultra setting in the graphics options, on final release.
Guess we will all see in less than a month.
His monitor was fine and all the settings were at MAX, it just seemed like it had a blur effect on the edges... Like you said, maybe the final version will have better options.Overall the story and playercharacters were good and well done in DS3. But the game itself sometimes felt like a grind and some of the combat was just not fun. Still it did have few interesting parts, that made going through the game worth. Personally Id say Alpha Protocol was better done then DS3, but thats just my opinion. As to Diablo 3, to early to tell and Ill make my judgmentafter expansion comes out, because you know there will be a expansion.
[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Laughable. Aside from the writing, Obsidian really dropped the ball on this one. Something as simple as having tight controls on the PC was totally abandoned. It's a bad game, and I'm an Obsidian fan. :/Viper5121If you hate the keyboard/mouse controls so much, it's not so difficult to just plug in an Xbox-PC controller which works flawlessly (not that the keyboard/mouse controls are that bad in the first place). It's just the overall design. Just so..limited. You can't even pan the camera in and out and you're stuck with weird camera angles.. It's like someone is holding my neck in one position and I can't move it to peer around. I've tried it with a controller but I didn't find it to help make the gameplay better. Not to mention the user interface, button mapping, and menus are a huge mess.
[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Because the beta doesn't represent what we'll see further in the game. Its hilarious people don't understand this.. If this were true Diablo 2 would have SUCKED majorly if the game offered everything with the Den of Evil and Blood Raven in normal difficulty.. Hell any RPG player in general shoudl understand this, I can't think of a single rpg out there that offers everything within the first two hours.. Whether new or old rpg's. If this were the case games like Baldur's Gate 2 would have sucked because the first parts of the game, the dungeon, is in no way telling of the actual game. Betas and demos do represent the core gameplay. Doesn't it? You can't honestly say it would do a 360, and somersault... Surely, in the future, there will be tweaks here and there for balancing, technical issues being ironed out, but nothing that would drastically change the gameplay to the point where it felt like an entirely new game. Most changes, tweaks, fixes, are adaptable. Hell, even when things in-game break and piss people off, are adaptable. But the core gameplay is pretty much gonna be what the beta and demos had to offer.True, but does a game really change from Beta to final?
That much?
I'm asking cause I've only been like in 2 Betas all my life.
sSubZerOo
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Because the beta doesn't represent what we'll see further in the game.Elann2008Its hilarious people don't understand this.. If this were true Diablo 2 would have SUCKED majorly if the game offered everything with the Den of Evil and Blood Raven in normal difficulty.. Hell any RPG player in general shoudl understand this, I can't think of a single rpg out there that offers everything within the first two hours.. Whether new or old rpg's. If this were the case games like Baldur's Gate 2 would have sucked because the first parts of the game, the dungeon, is in no way telling of the actual game. Betas and demos do represent the core gameplay. Doesn't it? You can't honestly say it would do a 360, and somersault... Surely, in the future, there will be tweaks here and there for balancing, technical issues being ironed out, but nothing that would drastically change the gameplay to the point where it felt like an entirely new game. Most changes, tweaks, fixes, are adaptable. Hell, even when things in-game break and piss people off, are adaptable. But the core gameplay is pretty much gonna be what the beta and demos had to offer. Yes you are right, that they do represent the core gameplay, but how would you experience the addiction of getting the best loot when only a fraction of the loot is available to you? (which is what made the past diablo games great) How would you experience the feeling of messing around with certain skills and builds when you are only able to access a small portion of them? I dont know how to explain it, sure diablo 2's gameplay sounds boring, but just.... the mechanics or i dunno what it is was addicting the more you played it.
As to Diablo 3, to early to tell and Ill make my judgmentafter expansion comes out, because you know there will be a expansion.GreyViper
So you can only judge the $60 vanilla game after its $40 expansion comes out in a year or two? Wait, what?
DS3 is a game on rail, everything is linear, even the loots, they just put a few dialogue choices to make you think it was a rpg. masterdrat
That's not entirely true. The environments are mostly linear, but the loot is definitely heavily randomised (besides the unique legendary items), and the dialogue choices actually have consequences throughout the story, changing how things play out.
It's more of an RPG than your typical Action-RPG (of which the Diablo series is the best example).
Anyway, DS3 wasn't terrible. I beat it again on co-op the other day and...well...there may have been some horrendous design decisions (removing camera controls from co-op mode being the prime offender), but it's still playable.
Comparing it to Diablo 3? I wouldn't know, haven't played D3, but I know I didn't think that Diablo 2 was the second coming. I played it for a few weeks, got bored, and dropped it. It was definitely a more polished experience than DS2, but...ehh?
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