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I find it incredibly hypocritical that people flame EA, but give Activi$ion a virtual pass. NFL games are annual rehashes, you say? How about CoD? They're gonna milk the teats off of that cow.

Pay-to-win? LOTRO says "Hi." Unless you're willing to spend hours each day grinding for Turbine points, that is.

Origin? How about Steam? ...that is, unless the company putting out that game you want to play is kind enough to go DRM-free through GOG.

Am I defending EA? Maybe unintentionally. There are companies doing the same things out there that somehow come across as more saintly, however, and the hypocrisy is truly sickening.

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I find it incredibly hypocritical that people flame EA, but give Activi$ion a virtual pass. NFL games are annual rehashes, you say? How about CoD? They're gonna milk the teats off of that cow.

Pay-to-win? LOTRO says "Hi." Unless you're willing to spend hours each day grinding for Turbine points, that is.

Origin? How about Steam? ...that is, unless the company putting out that game you want to play is kind enough to go DRM-free through GOG.

Am I defending EA? Maybe unintentionally. There are companies doing the same things out there that somehow come across as more saintly, however, and the hypocrisy is truly sickening.

OrkHammer007
you listed several different companies, though. your logic is flawed, as someone who actually believes EA is the worst company can easily say that EA does all of those things, while those companies are only guilty of 1 or 2 of those things.
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EA was named the worst company by a magazine called "The Consumerist". let's look at context here for a minute. the Magazine is aimed at, and i'm assuming whose readership is largely composed of, the average American consumer. that automatically disqualifies most companies not operating in the US. Second, it's going to have stuff that the average American consumer buys; military hardware, cancer treatments are highly unlikely to be part of that. Also note that the runner up was Bank of American, so you can safely assume that the average consumer isn't too fond of banks, either. The consumerist also posted its counter argument to why its readers chose EA when EA's CEO released his defensive statement to the award, if any one cares to read that. the most important thing of course, is to tell everyone what you think without even trying to understand the situation behind the sensationalistic headlines.Kh1ndjal
What situation is there to understand? Voting EA as the worst company is only something a moron would do. EA has never actually hurt anyone, unlike the numerous banks who crash the economy. Having to load up Origin to play a game isn't hurting anyone, having optional DLC isn't hurting anyone. EA is doing nothing but providing entertainment. If you don't like the entertainment they produce, don't buy their products, it doesn't hurt you in any way. I'm not sure why you're looking so far into this when it's actually fairly simple. People either voted for EA as a joke or because they're stupid.

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#54 OrkHammer007
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[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]

I find it incredibly hypocritical that people flame EA, but give Activi$ion a virtual pass. NFL games are annual rehashes, you say? How about CoD? They're gonna milk the teats off of that cow.

Pay-to-win? LOTRO says "Hi." Unless you're willing to spend hours each day grinding for Turbine points, that is.

Origin? How about Steam? ...that is, unless the company putting out that game you want to play is kind enough to go DRM-free through GOG.

Am I defending EA? Maybe unintentionally. There are companies doing the same things out there that somehow come across as more saintly, however, and the hypocrisy is truly sickening.

yellosnolvr

you listed several different companies, though. your logic is flawed, as someone who actually believes EA is the worst company can easily say that EA does all of those things, while those companies are only guilty of 1 or 2 of those things.

I broke this up intentionally because while EA takes static for all of these things, none of the other companies take a fraction of the s*** for them. The outrage is all out of proportion.

Again... I'm not defending EA's practices. I like some of their games, but nothing since RA3 has piqued my interest. If THQ were still around, they'd get my vote as the best of the publishers (CoH, DoW, Titan Quest (I'm a sucker for Greek mythology), to name a few of the games I've enjoyed from them) with 2K a close second. However, all of the hate directed at them is hypocritical. Hate them all, or just stop complaining altogether.

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EA was named the worst company by a magazine called "The Consumerist". let's look at context here for a minute. the Magazine is aimed at, and i'm assuming whose readership is largely composed of, the average American consumer. that automatically disqualifies most companies not operating in the US. Second, it's going to have stuff that the average American consumer buys; military hardware, cancer treatments are highly unlikely to be part of that. Also note that the runner up was Bank of American, so you can safely assume that the average consumer isn't too fond of banks, either. The consumerist also posted its counter argument to why its readers chose EA when EA's CEO released his defensive statement to the award, if any one cares to read that. the most important thing of course, is to tell everyone what you think without even trying to understand the situation behind the sensationalistic headlines.
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[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"]EA was named the worst company by a magazine called "The Consumerist". let's look at context here for a minute. the Magazine is aimed at, and i'm assuming whose readership is largely composed of, the average American consumer. that automatically disqualifies most companies not operating in the US. Second, it's going to have stuff that the average American consumer buys; military hardware, cancer treatments are highly unlikely to be part of that. Also note that the runner up was Bank of American, so you can safely assume that the average consumer isn't too fond of banks, either. The consumerist also posted its counter argument to why its readers chose EA when EA's CEO released his defensive statement to the award, if any one cares to read that. the most important thing of course, is to tell everyone what you think without even trying to understand the situation behind the sensationalistic headlines.Toxic-Seahorse

What situation is there to understand? Voting EA as the worst company is only something a moron would do. EA has never actually hurt anyone, unlike the numerous banks who crash the economy. Having to load up Origin to play a game isn't hurting anyone, having optional DLC isn't hurting anyone. EA is doing nothing but providing entertainment. If you don't like the entertainment they produce, don't buy their products, it doesn't hurt you in any way. I'm not sure why you're looking so far into this when it's actually fairly simple. People either voted for EA as a joke or because they're stupid.

Only a moron would assume everyone has been hurt by a bank so they should all have voted a bank over EA. People are going to vote for what affects them personally, not what affected someone else. Why would I vote for a bank when a bank has never affected me? I've dealt with the same credit union for 20 years.

I do have reason to hate EA because PC NFL football sims were one of my favorite genres up until they not only snatched the license to destroy any chance of competition, but then they snatched it from the PC. I can not enjoy a modern day NFL PC football sim ever again until EA and the NFL split. And don't tell me anyone can make a generic football game, no one wants to play that ****. That does affect me in a negative way, no one else's opinion can change that. It is for ME and only ME to decide.

So it is not that it is simple, you are just being a simpleton. I also love the "if you don't agree with me you're stupid" jedi mind trick attempt. Fail.

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#57 Kh1ndjal
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[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"]EA was named the worst company by a magazine called "The Consumerist". let's look at context here for a minute. the Magazine is aimed at, and i'm assuming whose readership is largely composed of, the average American consumer. that automatically disqualifies most companies not operating in the US. Second, it's going to have stuff that the average American consumer buys; military hardware, cancer treatments are highly unlikely to be part of that. Also note that the runner up was Bank of American, so you can safely assume that the average consumer isn't too fond of banks, either. The consumerist also posted its counter argument to why its readers chose EA when EA's CEO released his defensive statement to the award, if any one cares to read that. the most important thing of course, is to tell everyone what you think without even trying to understand the situation behind the sensationalistic headlines.Toxic-Seahorse

What situation is there to understand? Voting EA as the worst company is only something a moron would do. EA has never actually hurt anyone, unlike the numerous banks who crash the economy. Having to load up Origin to play a game isn't hurting anyone, having optional DLC isn't hurting anyone. EA is doing nothing but providing entertainment. If you don't like the entertainment they produce, don't buy their products, it doesn't hurt you in any way. I'm not sure why you're looking so far into this when it's actually fairly simple. People either voted for EA as a joke or because they're stupid.

one of my points was that the poll is far too skewed in favor of popular companies to be taken seriously. so, in reality, the poll doesn't simply indicate which is the "worst company", but rather which is the "worst company in America which also happens to be very popular" which is a paradox in itself, considering America's economy. No one should be taking this as seriously as the internet has made it out to be.
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I find it incredibly hypocritical that people flame EA, but give Activi$ion a virtual pass. NFL games are annual rehashes, you say? How about CoD? They're gonna milk the teats off of that cow.

Pay-to-win? LOTRO says "Hi." Unless you're willing to spend hours each day grinding for Turbine points, that is.

Origin? How about Steam? ...that is, unless the company putting out that game you want to play is kind enough to go DRM-free through GOG.

Am I defending EA? Maybe unintentionally. There are companies doing the same things out there that somehow come across as more saintly, however, and the hypocrisy is truly sickening.

OrkHammer007
The difference is the CoD games have competition, Madden has ZERO. Why? Because EA got the NFL (another terrible bastion of greed and bad business) to give them exclusive rights in order to take out ALL competition. No one is going to make a "Mystery League" football video game, so EA owns this genre and knows they can put out the minimum crap every year because they are the only game in town. **** EA.
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#59 Iantheone
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Its a bit unfair. EA is bad, but they are nowhere near the worst company in America
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#60 i_saw_a_mudcrab
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Nothing is more evil than a video game company making video games. Who are we to argue with the collective intelligence of the basement denizens?

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I love how this thread turned out - Troll vs US defense force

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#62 Macutchi
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well this thread has taken a turn for the worse.

can we please get back to the xenophobia and country bashing??

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I'm just going to ignore the country bashing that Daniel is doing. I love my home and it hurts that he would call everyone here imbeciles when I run into wonderfully amazing people all the time. Yeah, I don't like our leaders, and sure there are stupid people walking the streets, but where ISN'T that? He's just riding on the backs of stereotypes and blind hatred.

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[QUOTE="Kh1ndjal"]EA was named the worst company by a magazine called "The Consumerist". let's look at context here for a minute. the Magazine is aimed at, and i'm assuming whose readership is largely composed of, the average American consumer. that automatically disqualifies most companies not operating in the US. Second, it's going to have stuff that the average American consumer buys; military hardware, cancer treatments are highly unlikely to be part of that. Also note that the runner up was Bank of American, so you can safely assume that the average consumer isn't too fond of banks, either. The consumerist also posted its counter argument to why its readers chose EA when EA's CEO released his defensive statement to the award, if any one cares to read that. the most important thing of course, is to tell everyone what you think without even trying to understand the situation behind the sensationalistic headlines.vfibsux

What situation is there to understand? Voting EA as the worst company is only something a moron would do. EA has never actually hurt anyone, unlike the numerous banks who crash the economy. Having to load up Origin to play a game isn't hurting anyone, having optional DLC isn't hurting anyone. EA is doing nothing but providing entertainment. If you don't like the entertainment they produce, don't buy their products, it doesn't hurt you in any way. I'm not sure why you're looking so far into this when it's actually fairly simple. People either voted for EA as a joke or because they're stupid.

Only a moron would assume everyone has been hurt by a bank so they should all have voted a bank over EA. People are going to vote for what affects them personally, not what affected someone else. Why would I vote for a bank when a bank has never affected me? I've dealt with the same credit union for 20 years.

Wow. I don't have words to describe how ridiculous that was..... My point was not that the banks screw over their customers, but that they screwed over the U.S. economy in general, which surly did affect everyone in the U.S. whether it is apparent or not. The taxpayers paid for their mistakes. I feel like crashing the U.S. economy is more serious than not making a PC football game. I could be wrong though.

 

You're basically saying "The enterrtainment company did not do what I wanted them to do, they're the worst comapny ever!!!" That is childish beyond belief. Not to mention your whole argument about "if it doesn't affect me I not going to say it's worse" is laughable and childish as well. 

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I'm just going to ignore the country bashing that Daniel is doing. I love my home and it hurts that he would call everyone here imbeciles when I run into wonderfully amazing people all the time. Yeah, I don't like our leaders, and sure there are stupid people walking the streets, but where ISN'T that? He's just riding on the backs of stereotypes and blind hatred.

soolkiki

That's all he ever does. 

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EA is very deserving of this award, fwiw. Bank of America is easy to pile onto because they went bankrupt and were bailed out by the US government. From a customer service/quality of product perspective, which is what this poll was supposed to be about, though, I think EA might just be worse.
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#67 vfibsux
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[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] What situation is there to understand? Voting EA as the worst company is only something a moron would do. EA has never actually hurt anyone, unlike the numerous banks who crash the economy. Having to load up Origin to play a game isn't hurting anyone, having optional DLC isn't hurting anyone. EA is doing nothing but providing entertainment. If you don't like the entertainment they produce, don't buy their products, it doesn't hurt you in any way. I'm not sure why you're looking so far into this when it's actually fairly simple. People either voted for EA as a joke or because they're stupid.

Toxic-Seahorse

Only a moron would assume everyone has been hurt by a bank so they should all have voted a bank over EA. People are going to vote for what affects them personally, not what affected someone else. Why would I vote for a bank when a bank has never affected me? I've dealt with the same credit union for 20 years.

Wow. I don't have words to describe how ridiculous that was..... My point was not that the banks screw over their customers, but that they screwed over the U.S. economy in general, which surly did affect everyone in the U.S. whether it is apparent or not. The taxpayers paid for their mistakes. I feel like crashing the U.S. economy is more serious than not making a PC football game. I could be wrong though.

 

You're basically saying "The enterrtainment company did not do what I wanted them to do, they're the worst comapny ever!!!" That is childish beyond belief. Not to mention your whole argument about "if it doesn't affect me I not going to say it's worse" is laughable and childish as well. 

Dude, are you really this dense. You are the one being ridiculous here.

It was a CONSUMER survey, not a poll taken from Time magazine about who ruined our economy. What part of this don't you get? You can keep attempting to make everyone else look stupid with your holier than thou attitude but you are being the child here because you cannot see past the nose on your own face. I would agree 5000000% of the time there are companies in this country who have been far worse than EA in a thousand ways other than basic consumer crap, that is NOT what this is about.

If you still want to continue down this road of being a stubborn mule have at it. You are making this into what you want it to be rather than what it is. Again....what part of the word CONSUMER poll do you not understand? Consumer? Definition: A person who purchases goods and services for personal use. It is not a person who thinks critically about how each company affects the economy of the United States.

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[QUOTE="vfibsux"]The difference is the CoD games have competition, Madden has ZERO. Why? Because EA got the NFL (another terrible bastion of greed and bad business) to give them exclusive rights in order to take out ALL competition. No one is going to make a "Mystery League" football video game, so EA owns this genre and knows they can put out the minimum crap every year because they are the only game in town. **** EA.OrkHammer007

What competiton?Are you talking about the games like Battlefield or Medal of Honor that I hear people refer to as "CoD ripoffs?"

As far as the NFL, I heard that they wanted 1 company to deal with, and they chose EA. Your version sounds like you just made it up to justify your hate of EA.

(Note: Once again, all I'm trying to do is point out how hypocritical it is to single out one gaming publisher when all of the bastards are screwing us.)

You "heard" why the deal went down and yours is true but mine is made up because you say so? lol. Are you serious? Yea I am being so irrational when I say the deal is about money, what an idiot I am to think that!

And stating CoD has no competition because people call the others ripoffs adds so much awesome to your argument. rofl.

Why would ANY gamer support a monopoly? What kind of fanboy do you have to be? In the end there was a class action lawsuit against EA for this practice last year, but yea it's just me who thinks it was wrong.

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Definitely the worst game company right now, but I just can't put them above oil companies, big banks, etc. So many other companies do much worse to the average person. Games are just entertainment, not really a need.

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The difference is the CoD games have competition, Madden has ZERO. Why? Because EA got the NFL (another terrible bastion of greed and bad business) to give them exclusive rights in order to take out ALL competition. No one is going to make a "Mystery League" football video game, so EA owns this genre and knows they can put out the minimum crap every year because they are the only game in town. **** EA.vfibsux

What competiton?Are you talking about the games like Battlefield or Medal of Honor that I hear people refer to as "CoD ripoffs?"

As far as the NFL, I heard that they wanted 1 company to deal with, and they chose EA. Your version sounds like you just made it up to justify your hate of EA.

(Note: Once again, all I'm trying to do is point out how hypocritical it is to single out one gaming publisher when all of the bastards are screwing us.)

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Wow. I don't have words to describe how ridiculous that was..... My point was not that the banks screw over their customers, but that they screwed over the U.S. economy in general, which surly did affect everyone in the U.S. whether it is apparent or not. The taxpayers paid for their mistakes. I feel like crashing the U.S. economy is more serious than not making a PC football game. I could be wrong though.

 

You're basically saying "The enterrtainment company did not do what I wanted them to do, they're the worst comapny ever!!!" That is childish beyond belief. Not to mention your whole argument about "if it doesn't affect me I not going to say it's worse" is laughable and childish as well. 

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I would say that crashing the US economy was a joint effort between the banks and irresponsible citizens taking out loans they couldn't pay back. I would also put most of the blame on the US government, who all but regulated that those banks had to give out those loans. The economic crash had a huge negative impact on older citizens, who lost their retirement. It actually had a ton of benefits for somebody younger, like myself, because I was able to finance a house for 25% less than it would have cost 6 or 7 years ago, at an interest rate of 3%. I'm also taking advantage of low-cost mutual funds in a down economy to invest in my retirement. That's life, though. There will always be winners and losers, whether you are even playing the game or not. People should count their blessings during the good times and always prepare for the worst, because bad times will always come eventually.
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You "heard" why the deal went down and yours is true but mine is made up because you say so? lol. Are you serious? Yea I am being so irrational when I say the deal is about money, what an idiot I am to think that!

And stating CoD has no competition because people call the others ripoffs adds so much awesome to your argument. rofl.

Why would ANY gamer support a monopoly? What kind of fanboy do you have to be? In the end there was a class action lawsuit against EA for this practice last year, but yea it's just me who thinks it was wrong.

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I've "heard" that version several times. I've seen your version exactly once.

The class action lawsuit was settled already. It proves nothing other than EA was sued. Several companies have been sued... your point is...?

Oh... and you keep missing the point that I am not... AM NOT... defending EA. I'm condemning the hypocrisy that allows people like you to bash one company for practices that several companies engage in. The industry is broken, and needs fixing; singling out one company isn't going to do it, ALL of them need to be shamed.

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I would agree 5000000% of the time there are companies in this country who have been far worse than EA in a thousand ways other than basic consumer crap, that is NOT what this is aboutvfibsux
The survey was for the wort company in America, nothing more, nothing less. The name of the publication has nothing to do with it. Peopel were responding to the survey. And even if it was the worst company for consumers, nothing would change. The economic crash was devastating for consumers. DLC, not so much.
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Why do people assume the game industry is a giant joke and not worth taking seriously? It's a multi-billion dollar industry that is completely tied to customer satisfaction. Games provide entertainment for people who've had a long day at work. Perhaps their homes were foreclosed because they didn't pay their mortgages. Why blame Bank of America for your inability to repay loans? Seems rather selfish of people to blame the bank for going bankrupt when it's their own fault for defaulting on their mortgages.
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[QUOTE="vfibsux"]I've "heard" that version several times. I've seen your version exactly once.

The class action lawsuit was settled already. It proves nothing other than EA was sued. Several companies have been sued... your point is...?

Oh... and you keep missing the point that I am not... AM NOT... defending EA. I'm condemning the hypocrisy that allows people like you to bash one company for practices that several companies engage in. The industry is broken, and needs fixing; singling out one company isn't going to do it, ALL of them need to be shamed.

OrkHammer007
That is the first time you have seen anyone say the NFL did it for the money? Do you really want to look like that much of an idiot just to make your case? The first industry speculation (from pros, not your buds) was the NFL did it due to other companies selling their NFL football games for $19.99, in other words the prices were getting too competitive for the NFL so they wanted to give it to ONE bidder. That is the PROFESSIONAL opinion, not your message board banter from 11th grade potheads playing CoD in their mom's basement. Maybe you should read more real news and not so much message board chat. And furthermore, name one gaming company that has affected ME more than EA. You cannot, because you are not ME. What part of that do you not get?
[QUOTE="vfibsux"] I would agree 5000000% of the time there are companies in this country who have been far worse than EA in a thousand ways other than basic consumer crap, that is NOT what this is aboutToxic-Seahorse
The survey was for the wort company in America, nothing more, nothing less. The name of the publication has nothing to do with it. Peopel were responding to the survey. And even if it was the worst company for consumers, nothing would change. The economic crash was devastating for consumers. DLC, not so much.

The survey was done by a consumer-watchdog website called "The Consumerist." It does not take a freaking rocket scientist to take it from there. Consumers voting on companies they think suck as consumers, imagine that! You are wrong wrong wrong and wrong again. Only an idiot would respond to a consumer survey with your political bull****. Consumer surveys are who has the worst/best customer support, who has the shortest/longest lines, the best/worst products....not who caused a recession and who got a government bailout. Focus dude, focus.
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[QUOTE="SKaREO"]Why do people assume the game industry is a giant joke and not worth taking seriously? It's a multi-billion dollar industry that is completely tied to customer satisfaction. Games provide entertainment for people who've had a long day at work. Perhaps their homes were foreclosed because they didn't pay their mortgages. Why blame Bank of America for your inability to repay loans? Seems rather selfish of people to blame the bank for going bankrupt when it's their own fault for defaulting on their mortgages.sSubZerOo

:|  Yes because the blame for Bank of America has absolutely everything to do witht the customer and not the shady deals, misleading practices and numerous other things they have done.. Same goes for Walmart as a employer.. And many other companies.. EA shouldn't even be a blip on the radar.  If you seriously think EA some how matches up to ones like that, then you sir.. Are an idiot.

Another simpleton that does not understand human psychology. The only reason someone would be an idiot here is if they were screwed by Bank of America and EA both, but chose EA over the bank. No one will argue that people who got screwed by banks and such have it much worse than someone screwed over a video game. But the fact is if you have experienced one but not the other you will be inclined to pick that one which affected you. Obviously according to this poll more people were touched personally by EA than Bank of America. It's that simple. But keep calling everyone one else idiots, it makes you all look soooo smart.

 

And I (for once) agree with Skareo, individuals need to take some responsibility for thier own crap. Yes the banks gave people loans they should not have, but those people also know they bit off more than they could chew. 

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Why do people assume the game industry is a giant joke and not worth taking seriously? It's a multi-billion dollar industry that is completely tied to customer satisfaction. Games provide entertainment for people who've had a long day at work. Perhaps their homes were foreclosed because they didn't pay their mortgages. Why blame Bank of America for your inability to repay loans? Seems rather selfish of people to blame the bank for going bankrupt when it's their own fault for defaulting on their mortgages.SKaREO

:|  Yes because the blame for Bank of America has absolutely everything to do witht the customer and not the shady deals, misleading practices and numerous other things they have done.. Same goes for Walmart as a employer.. And many other companies.. EA shouldn't even be a blip on the radar.  If you seriously think EA some how matches up to ones like that, then you sir.. Are an idiot.

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#79 OrkHammer007
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... vfibsux
Name-calling... nice. You don't have a real argument, so you fling insults like a monkey flings sh!t. How about adressing the point without resorting to 8th grade tactics? Or did EA rape your dog, and you're incapable of holding a rational conversation about it?

Grow up, then come talk to me. Otherwise, I have nothing to say to you.

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Poor OP. His thread got derailed hard.

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I'm gonna toss up a potential positive.

Over the last several years we have seen mods based on a long dead series show up several times. It didn't matter that their were no plans to do a commercial release by the IP hold and the mods existence proved that the basis for a customer base existed. The IP owners shut them all down.

Recently complete remakes for Ultima V and Ultima VII were released. Currently a team is building a complete remake for Ultima IX. EA did not stop any of these mod teams. And now we have the commercial title Ultima Forever in development.

Do you suppose that someone at EA realized that three full mod teams working on remakes of games that are over 10 years old shows a very strong fan base/potential customer base still exists? And maybe, just maybe this is what lead to Ultima Forever being developed?

On the topic of the EA voted worst company I'm gonna echo others. This is pathetic. With banks causing so much financial harm, constant negative stories about the TSA and the US Congress, new copyright lawsuits being filed every other day, tel-com companies heading towards monopolies, and many other problems that attack EA as worst company says nothing good about those who voted. It makes it worse that most of the people who vote will drop $60 on the next flashy EA title without thinking twice.

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While EA definitely doesn't deserve the title over corrupt bank companies and such, they definitely brought the award upon themselves.

Peter Moore's attempt to explain why they got it was just laughable and shows the lack of self awareness going on in the company. I enjoy their games, but the microtransactions, inflated marketing budgets, constant clockwork releases and milking of beloved series don't sit well with many.

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[QUOTE="vfibsux"]... OrkHammer007

Name-calling... nice. You don't have a real argument, so you fling insults like a monkey flings sh!t. How about adressing the point without resorting to 8th grade tactics? Or did EA rape your dog, and you're incapable of holding a rational conversation about it?

Grow up, then come talk to me. Otherwise, I have nothing to say to you.

You accuse me of making **** up then expect a civil conversation with me? Then you cry when you don't get it? And now you resort the to same tactics you accuse me of. Did EA rape my dog? I told you EXACTLY why I dislike EA and that was not good enough for you? What other reason do I need? They took one of my favorite pastimes away from me, playing NFL football on the PC. I played it since Sierra's Football Pro '95. Who the **** are you to tell me I have no right to hate the company for that? What is your favorite genre? What if they took it from you? No, they did not rape my dog you idiot (you earned that one), they took a game away from me and that pisses me off. What offends me is mine and mine alone, what kind of arrogant *** would tell someone what should anger them and what should not?

 

And for the record I never called you anything, I called people idiots who called me an idiot. I asked you if you want to look like an idiot, because you were being intellectually dishonest by saying I made up the NFL would actually make the move for money. Seriously, if you really want to stick to that you will look like an idiot.

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[QUOTE="MrUnSavory1"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]I had to check this thread again because you put a smile on my face with your message, so I'll at least put this much effort. You can probably find my country if you stalk around, I personally won't say it, because unlike Americans that are proud of their imbeciles and everything shameful the people in their country do, I do not have the same connection with my country, I am embarrassed of it. As for off topic, I have no reason to go there, too many Americans, you can't possibly find any trace of intelligence around there as with system wars.ampiva

 

Suprise, he is a socialst traitor to his own country. Name your country, you have guts to dis someone elses, show some balls. He says Germany is a good country. Germany is nothing but a bunch of imbecile white suprimesists. I would imagine he is from a country america kicked butt on and is still sore about it. Like I said, don't be jealous because you are not a citizen of the greatest country in the world. And without us the economic system in this world would fall apart and the only games you would be playing is with your Jacks and ball.

I have a hard time believing this isn't a joke post. By the way why do people even argue with Daniel anymore? He's proven time and time to be the worst poster of this forum, don't bother.

Pretty much. Daniel's posts are pure ignorance. This tool is universally disliked from what I've seen, and with such an attitude I can rest easy with the knowledge that he does not, fortunately, live here in the U.S. Though I do find someone who defends EA's practices to label others imbeciles amusing. But I would expect someone with such an attitude to do no less.
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I'm gonna toss up a potential positive.

Over the last several years we have seen mods based on a long dead series show up several times. It didn't matter that their were no plans to do a commercial release by the IP hold and the mods existence proved that the basis for a customer base existed. The IP owners shut them all down.

Recently complete remakes for Ultima V and Ultima VII were released. Currently a team is building a complete remake for Ultima IX. EA did not stop any of these mod teams. And now we have the commercial title Ultima Forever in development.

Do you suppose that someone at EA realized that three full mod teams working on remakes of games that are over 10 years old shows a very strong fan base/potential customer base still exists? And maybe, just maybe this is what lead to Ultima Forever being developed?

On the topic of the EA voted worst company I'm gonna echo others. This is pathetic. With banks causing so much financial harm, constant negative stories about the TSA and the US Congress, new copyright lawsuits being filed every other day, tel-com companies heading towards monopolies, and many other problems that attack EA as worst company says nothing good about those who voted. It makes it worse that most of the people who vote will drop $60 on the next flashy EA title without thinking twice.

Drosa
Now the TSA and congress should have won worst company, this thread just keeps getting better and better lol.
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I find it incredibly hypocritical that people flame EA, but give Activi$ion a virtual pass. NFL games are annual rehashes, you say? How about CoD? They're gonna milk the teats off of that cow.

Pay-to-win? LOTRO says "Hi." Unless you're willing to spend hours each day grinding for Turbine points, that is.

Origin? How about Steam? ...that is, unless the company putting out that game you want to play is kind enough to go DRM-free through GOG.

Am I defending EA? Maybe unintentionally. There are companies doing the same things out there that somehow come across as more saintly, however, and the hypocrisy is truly sickening.

OrkHammer007
Fair points, but with EA I can feel the hostility and lack of respect towards their customers. It's very palpable. I don't get that from Activision, and I really don't see these other companies doing the same as EA.

Example: EA releases Simcity broken. People request refunds, which EA denies. When they then attempt to go through their bank or CC company to get one, EA threatens to ban people from their Origin accounts and renders all of their games useless. Would Activision do this if it had a system similar to Steam/Origin? I doubt it. At least CoD WORKS on release, and I'd bet if it didn't Activision would be willing to give refunds. Simcity barely worked, when it did it was still literally broken from bugs (which are still being ironed out), and when people rightfully wanted their money back, EA threw the big middle finger at their face and screamed "f*ck you!!". Their customer service was garbage and it was apparent they didn't care (3-4 hour long wait times). They gave out free games, sure, but that was a cheaper alternative and it doesn't change the fact of what they did.

Activision may milk its franchises, sure. So does Nintendo. But there's a large distinction between those companies and EA: EA makes no attempt to accord its audience any respect. Some of their recent business practices have been outright hostile and they've made no attempt to try to hide their contempt for their consumers. Even though many others do the same as EA in many areas, it's EA's attitude which is the issue, and I don't find it hypocritical at all to feel more animosity towards them even though they hold many similarities to the other big boys in the industry.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]Why do people assume the game industry is a giant joke and not worth taking seriously? It's a multi-billion dollar industry that is completely tied to customer satisfaction. Games provide entertainment for people who've had a long day at work. Perhaps their homes were foreclosed because they didn't pay their mortgages. Why blame Bank of America for your inability to repay loans? Seems rather selfish of people to blame the bank for going bankrupt when it's their own fault for defaulting on their mortgages.vfibsux

:|  Yes because the blame for Bank of America has absolutely everything to do witht the customer and not the shady deals, misleading practices and numerous other things they have done.. Same goes for Walmart as a employer.. And many other companies.. EA shouldn't even be a blip on the radar.  If you seriously think EA some how matches up to ones like that, then you sir.. Are an idiot.

Another simpleton that does not understand human psychology. The only reason someone would be an idiot here is if they were screwed by Bank of America and EA both, but chose EA over the bank. No one will argue that people who got screwed by banks and such have it much worse than someone screwed over a video game. But the fact is if you have experienced one but not the other you will be inclined to pick that one which affected you. Obviously according to this poll more people were touched personally by EA than Bank of America. It's that simple. But keep calling everyone one else idiots, it makes you all look soooo smart.

 

And I (for once) agree with Skareo, individuals need to take some responsibility for thier own crap. Yes the banks gave people loans they should not have, but those people also know they bit off more than they could chew. 

:roll:  Oh yes because apparently I had to have personal experience with bank of America (a bank I never will use) instead of looking at the shady sh!t they have done through the years.. And if your going to use EA as a worse one based on a consumer product, we might as well go down the list to producers that have actually made products that have poisoned, maimed, or killed people..   Hence why it is ridiculous, people need some fvcking perspective if they think EA is some how the worse business out there.

  Furthermore no one is argueing it was entirely Bank of America's fault for the forclosures.. There were obviously irresponsible people out there.. But yet again they are also guilty of shady sh!t in out right decieving customers in loan conditions and numerous other things.. I find it HILARIOUS you are hostile towards EA, but some how defend bank of America.. Wtf? How bout some consistency? 

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money is the root of all evil

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I know it's the popular thing to hate EA for no apparent reason but I refuse to believe they're the worst company in America. They've made some of my favourite games over the years so I still like them.
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[QUOTE="vfibsux"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

:|  Yes because the blame for Bank of America has absolutely everything to do witht the customer and not the shady deals, misleading practices and numerous other things they have done.. Same goes for Walmart as a employer.. And many other companies.. EA shouldn't even be a blip on the radar.  If you seriously think EA some how matches up to ones like that, then you sir.. Are an idiot.

sSubZerOo

Another simpleton that does not understand human psychology. The only reason someone would be an idiot here is if they were screwed by Bank of America and EA both, but chose EA over the bank. No one will argue that people who got screwed by banks and such have it much worse than someone screwed over a video game. But the fact is if you have experienced one but not the other you will be inclined to pick that one which affected you. Obviously according to this poll more people were touched personally by EA than Bank of America. It's that simple. But keep calling everyone one else idiots, it makes you all look soooo smart.

 

And I (for once) agree with Skareo, individuals need to take some responsibility for thier own crap. Yes the banks gave people loans they should not have, but those people also know they bit off more than they could chew. 

:roll:  Oh yes because apparently I had to have personal experience with bank of America (a bank I never will use) instead of looking at the shady sh!t they have done through the years.. And if your going to use EA as a worse one based on a consumer product, we might as well go down the list to producers that have actually made products that have poisoned, maimed, or killed people..   Hence why it is ridiculous, people need some fvcking perspective if they think EA is some how the worse business out there.

  Furthermore no one is argueing it was entirely Bank of America's fault for the forclosures.. There were obviously irresponsible people out there.. But yet again they are also guilty of shady sh!t in out right decieving customers in loan conditions and numerous other things.. I find it HILARIOUS you are hostile towards EA, but some how defend bank of America.. Wtf? How bout some consistency? 

Your an idiot. He's not defending BoM, he's saying people don't have empathy. They can't see see from another person's perspective. Actually you are proving his point fairly well.
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Unsurprising but unjustified when we have the likes of Exxon Mobil or Halliburton...

EA's journey from small, friendly publisher in the 90's to giant, monolithic soul-destroying corporation is really saddening.

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Unsurprising but unjustified when we have the likes of Exxon Mobil or Halliburton...

EA's journey from small, friendly publisher in the 90's to giant, monolithic soul-destroying corporation is really saddening.

gbrading

EA games being voted the worst company in America is not justified at all. They make video games that millions of people buy and enjoy, while companies like Bank of America have ruined peoples lives. 

The voters were more likely frustrated teenagers who don't understand that life goes beyond games.

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Would Activision do this if it had a system similar to Steam/Origin? I doubt it. MirkoS77
They don't, though. Speculating on what they may/may not do in the instance you describe is impossible.

As far as the CoD comment... of course it does, since it's the same game they released the year before. It's hard to f*** something up when it's already working, now, isn't it?

Lest we all forget, Steam was a disaster on launch. Years later, and it's the go-to DRM for PC games. A bad launch is not indicative of a bad game or platform... it's indicative of a bad launch.

And just to once again repeat my position: I am not trying to defend EA (despite what that moron earlier in the thread seems to think). I want to see the whole industry slide into a crash similar to the one in '83. It needs a reboot, and simply attacking one company for its practices, without calling them ALL out for their BS, is not only hypocritical, it will save them from that inevitable implosion and allow them to continue to f*** us on the other side.

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[QUOTE="gbrading"]

Unsurprising but unjustified when we have the likes of Exxon Mobil or Halliburton...

EA's journey from small, friendly publisher in the 90's to giant, monolithic soul-destroying corporation is really saddening.

HyperWarlock

EA games being voted the worst company in America is not justified at all. They make video games that millions of people buy and enjoy, while companies like Bank of America have ruined peoples lives. 

The voters were more likely frustrated teenagers who don't understand that life goes beyond games.

I agree with you: I said it was unjustified, but unsurprising, given who votes on it.

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[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

[QUOTE="gbrading"]

Unsurprising but unjustified when we have the likes of Exxon Mobil or Halliburton...

EA's journey from small, friendly publisher in the 90's to giant, monolithic soul-destroying corporation is really saddening.

gbrading

EA games being voted the worst company in America is not justified at all. They make video games that millions of people buy and enjoy, while companies like Bank of America have ruined peoples lives. 

The voters were more likely frustrated teenagers who don't understand that life goes beyond games.

I agree with you: I said it was unjustified, but unsurprising, given who votes on it.

Oh, I misread your post, sorry :)

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[QUOTE="gbrading"]

I agree with you: I said it was unjustified, but unsurprising, given who votes on it.

HyperWarlock

Oh, I misread your post, sorry :)

Ha ha, no worries. :)

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As far as the CoD comment... of course it does, since it's the same game they released the year before. It's hard to f*** something up when it's already working, now, isn't it?OrkHammer007

And this excuses EA for Sim City's clusterf*ck in which way exactly?  Do you remember CoD being a broken, unplayable mess on its very first release?  I sure don't. How is it a valid comparison under which you can claim hypocrisy? Not sure I'm following you here. Are we talking about milkage, or functionality?  Or both?

And just to once again repeat my position: I am not trying to defend EA (despite what that moron earlier in the thread seems to think). I want to see the whole industry slide into a crash similar to the one in '83. It needs a reboot, and simply attacking one company for its practices, without calling them ALL out for their BS, is not only hypocritical, it will save them from that inevitable implosion and allow them to continue to f*** us on the other side.OrkHammer007
I understand you're not being an apologist for EA, I only take issue with you stating that it's hypocritical for people to accuse EA of doing nothing different than many other companies in the industry.  If they don't, then I would like to hear an instance from another that measures up to the example I provided about EA refusing refunds and then banning people from Origin when they (justifiably) try to get it through other means.  I've never seen such blatant disregard and hostility directed towards the consumer as that.  I'm not saying you don't have valid points; I admitted as much in my OP.  Activision and Ubi have attempted always-online, now Ubi has renounced it, and with Activision it remains to be seen so I can't argue against you there.  

This is what I see EA doing that others don't:

  • While both Ubi and Activision do DLC, EA's model is beyond absurd.  Real Racing 3 for iOS, while F2P, charges $100 to unlock a single car.  I'm not joking.  The game is designed to extort the customer to death.  The old CEO came out and talked about charging $1 per clip in an FPS.  I've seen some bad DLC from other companies, but not as ridiculous to the outright insulting degree EA is looking into to possibly implement.
  • EA buys studios and either guts them entirely (Pandemic, Westwood, Origin, Bright Light), ruining great franchises in the process (Dungeon Keeper, C&C,), or having them drop off in quality (Dragon Age, Mass Effect).
  • closing servers early.
  • as I said, horrendous customer service.

And, once again, overall RESPECT  towards the customer which is a point you seemed to have overlooked.  Now, if you would like to make a list for me from other companies that we can compare all of this to, you'll convince me.  If you can't, saying people are hypocrites because they hold EA responsible and not others is disingenuous at best.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="vfibsux"] Another simpleton that does not understand human psychology. The only reason someone would be an idiot here is if they were screwed by Bank of America and EA both, but chose EA over the bank. No one will argue that people who got screwed by banks and such have it much worse than someone screwed over a video game. But the fact is if you have experienced one but not the other you will be inclined to pick that one which affected you. Obviously according to this poll more people were touched personally by EA than Bank of America. It's that simple. But keep calling everyone one else idiots, it makes you all look soooo smart.

 

And I (for once) agree with Skareo, individuals need to take some responsibility for thier own crap. Yes the banks gave people loans they should not have, but those people also know they bit off more than they could chew. 

timma25

:roll:  Oh yes because apparently I had to have personal experience with bank of America (a bank I never will use) instead of looking at the shady sh!t they have done through the years.. And if your going to use EA as a worse one based on a consumer product, we might as well go down the list to producers that have actually made products that have poisoned, maimed, or killed people..   Hence why it is ridiculous, people need some fvcking perspective if they think EA is some how the worse business out there.

  Furthermore no one is argueing it was entirely Bank of America's fault for the forclosures.. There were obviously irresponsible people out there.. But yet again they are also guilty of shady sh!t in out right decieving customers in loan conditions and numerous other things.. I find it HILARIOUS you are hostile towards EA, but some how defend bank of America.. Wtf? How bout some consistency? 

Your an idiot. He's not defending BoM, he's saying people don't have empathy. They can't see see from another person's perspective. Actually you are proving his point fairly well.

Apologies I misread his meaning, was actually in a hurry so I was skimming.. And how would I be proving his point when I have actually had dealings with EA and not Bank of America? I am not a fan of EA either, I just find it extremely disheartening of all the companies out there, people would name EA of all companies out there.