EA: No Modding Tools With Battlefield 3

Apparently BF3 will not include modding tools.

Does this affect your purchase of the game? I know this will upset a lot of people, even though its not something I use myself.

Don't care. Black Ops hasn't had mod tools either, and I've yet to be bothered by that. :P

Don't care.

Regarding the lack of mod tools in general, Creative Assembly gave a good reason:

"We have tools that work with our internal data processes, but wouldn't work at all as mod tools. It would take a huge amount of development resources to combine them into something approaching usable.

"Many of our tools are just designed to work with our raw data formats and process them into something used by the game, not to take a processed item and view or edit it.

"Nor do we have tools to do most of the things you really want – such as model importing – as we have no need of them; we have the raw models, and can always export them and reprocess them.

"Creating a set of tools specifically for modding is never going to be the quick or simple procedure many of you would hope for," he continued, "and between making games, creating new content and supporting each release with balances and fixes, our production schedules are fierce."

ah typical complete bull excuse just like wat creative assembly did with napo total war. i doubt its too complex for modders . ah well people will just eat up the dlc

The whole complex thing is a load of crap. There are modders that can do it. I would guess90 percent of the people who make the best mods, are more than capable of using it. I'm sure the project reality guys can work with fb2

At least they didn't give the "It's so powerful you won't need mods" excuse. If crysis is a testiment... mods matter.

I didn't really expect there to be...

The whole complex thing is a load of crap. There are modders that can do it. I would guess90 percent of the people who make the best mods, are more than capable of using it. I'm sure the project reality guys can work with fb2

James161324

ah typical complete bull excuse just like wat creative assembly did with napo total war. i doubt its too complex for modders . ah well people will just eat up the dlc

sinpkr

Makes it a whole lot easier for EA to sell all the maps they want

If the core game is as good as it looks to be, then there's no reason to mod it anyway.

Definitely going to wait now.

[QUOTE="sinpkr"]

ah typical complete bull excuse just like wat creative assembly did with napo total war. i doubt its too complex for modders . ah well people will just eat up the dlc

1q3er5

It's not going to be better than Battlefield 3. It's a military sim, not an arcady team-based shooter.

[QUOTE="James161324"]

The whole complex thing is a load of crap. There are modders that can do it. I would guess90 percent of the people who make the best mods, are more than capable of using it. I'm sure the project reality guys can work with fb2

Elann2008

good thing dice actually knows how to develop good maps...

The whole complex thing is a load of crap. There are modders that can do it. I would guess90 percent of the people who make the best mods, are more than capable of using it. I'm sure the project reality guys can work with fb2

James161324

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="James161324"]

The whole complex thing is a load of crap. There are modders that can do it. I would guess90 percent of the people who make the best mods, are more than capable of using it. I'm sure the project reality guys can work with fb2

deathshand707

good thing dice actually knows how to develop good maps...

I'll still be buying and playing the heck out of it. They will probably release it later on.

Its a shame that there will be no mod tools but I am still buying the game. I still hope though that there may be post release mod tools.

I would like to see an editor for the game, but doesn't worries me the absence. I didn't play any mod for BF 2 and never bought any BF 2 map outside the Special Forces expansion, and certainly I wouldn't play any mod for Battlefield 3 even if where the case. I'll focus with this game in Conquest and TDM mode in BIG maps as Oman Gulf, Wake Island, Karkand ans Sharqui; I have 0% interes in Rush -outside getting some medals and achievements-, in mods or extra maps (BC 2: Vietnam hadturriblemaps, outside Cao Long Temple was a waste of money).

So no, I don't care too much about editor and mods in THIS game.

Why would they release mod tools for it?? the engine is far too valuable to let into the hands of the public

don't care, i rarely download Mods anyway.yemen_headshot

Then you're missing out on one of the best aspects of PC gaming.

Definitely going to wait now.

6_Dead_360s

Guys, another game without modding tools: GTA IV.

I'm pretty sure you guys have already seen some fo the kick butt mods out there for that game.

This means we won't see mods right away, and it might limit some fo the things mods cna pull off - but there will still be mods.

Also, this doesn't barr the possibility fo rmod tools at some later point in time. Probably after the hype for the game dies down a bit. PC online communities for this game will exist for a LONG time. And mods WILL be a part of that one way or another.

Wasn't this somehting that happenned with MW too? First, no mod tools, then later they released some?

So I take it this means no user made maps?

I just hope that it has a good variety on maps, and is supplied new ones often, (hopefully for a reasonable price)

Nope still buying me a copy of BF3. But sooner or later EA will have to give in and launch a Mod tool kit.Hekynn

[QUOTE="Hekynn"]Nope still buying me a copy of BF3. But sooner or later EA will have to give in and launch a Mod tool kit.MadCat46

Guys, another game without modding tools: GTA IV.

I'm pretty sure you guys have already seen some fo the kick butt mods out there for that game.

This means we won't see mods right away, and it might limit some fo the things mods cna pull off - but there will still be mods.

Also, this doesn't barr the possibility fo rmod tools at some later point in time. Probably after the hype for the game dies down a bit. PC online communities for this game will exist for a LONG time. And mods WILL be a part of that one way or another.

Wasn't this somehting that happenned with MW too? First, no mod tools, then later they released some?

Kinthalis

How do you expect EA to sell downloadable content when there are awesome free maps out there?

How do you expect EA to sell downloadable content when there are awesome free maps out there?

Meat_Wad_Fan

Same way they did it for Battlefield 2, I guess. And 1942 before it.

I don't buy the "complexity" argument.

There are more than enough skilled and enterprising individuals willing to learn and work with complex mod tools.

But, given that I haven't played a single multiplayer mod for BF2 besides Project Reality, the issue with multiplayer mods may lie not in lack of modding talent, but rather, a lack of time and interest on part of the players to download and try something they may or may not like.

I used to have a lot of time to download mods and even research them before playing them. But, as I have grown, I have mostly stuck to the core game unless a game is really better with mods (i.e., Oblivion, Stalker, Total War series, etc.)

I'll still be buying and playing the heck out of it. They will probably release it later on.

HouseSTARK

[QUOTE="Meat_Wad_Fan"]

How do you expect EA to sell downloadable content when there are awesome free maps out there?

Baranga

Same way they did it for Battlefield 2, I guess. And 1942 before it.

The thing is, there weren't tons of custom maps made for BF2. There was really only one big mod for BF2.

Other than Desert Combat and Project Reality, there hasn't been a terribly large modding community for Battlefield. So I guess it's not that big of a loss when you think about it.

I just want bots, don't need mods for that.

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="Meat_Wad_Fan"]

How do you expect EA to sell downloadable content when there are awesome free maps out there?

Wasdie

Same way they did it for Battlefield 2, I guess. And 1942 before it.

The thing is, there weren't tons of custom maps made for BF2. There was really only one big mod for BF2.

Other than Desert Combat and Project Reality, there hasn't been a terribly large modding community for Battlefield. So I guess it's not that big of a loss when you think about it.

You are wrong there. There were many mods for BF2, if I recall, but most of them have since died. Operation Peacekeeper and Point of Existence 2 comes to mind.

I'm pretty sure Desert Combat WAS a big deal, and PR is almost at that level too. The thing I don't like about this guy is that he basically stated that "modders" are too dumb to work with their engine, which is far from the truth, if he actually played some of the quality mods out there. There are thousands of people with talent that are probably far beyond even some of the devs at DICE, so I really don't see his point here.

Also, with BF3 there would a community that is tenfold the ones before. I wouldn't be suprised to find someone able to work with the engine and push it to the limit.

tl;dr It's not that mod tools are essential to this game, hell I wouldn't care too much if they just said no. it's the attitude that EA have towards modders that I don't like, as shown in this guy's statements.

[QUOTE="deathshand707"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] Yup. So this means, no cool maps aside from the given ones? Oh wellz... :( Sad panda.DanielDust

good thing dice actually knows how to develop good maps...

have you even played bf2 maps? I would be more then happy with re skinned copies of those with destructible enviorments....

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

[QUOTE="deathshand707"]

good thing dice actually knows how to develop good maps...

deathshand707

have you even played bf2 maps? I would be more then happy with re skinned copies of those with destructible enviorments....

And of course you'd be more than happy.

"we gave you the best maps ever created, now buy our DLC (packs, I'm not talking about the already announced pack)that'll most likely include one or two remakes from the modding community on every pack we release and be happy"

You're happy, they're happy, they're making money, everybody's happy.

Very simple explanation for this...... No Mod Tools = Only they can make mods = They can charge you for them. Always follow the money when you need answers to a question :)