Elder Scrolls Online is the only game -CAPABLE- of challenging WoW

Excuse me for yet another thread in this ESO flood xD

Judging by how well Skyrim sold, as well as other TES games, backed up by it's venerable status in the gaming community, this game has huge potential to take the throne from WoW. If they do everything right, and adapt it's game aspects to those of an MMORPG, it's gonna be 2004. all over again.

They have the setting: the continent of Tamriel that we all know and love, as well as great set-up for possible expansions: Atmora and Akavir. Not to mention the huge lore of the series itself. WoW started very similarily.

However, Bethesda isn't really well experienced with multiplayer, and are known for their glitchy games. MMO+Bethesda could be one hell of a bugfest at launch.

What are your thoughts on this ?

And don't get me wrong, I freakin' LOVE WoW. Definitely one of the best games ever made.

As for TERA and GW2... well, you know... they'll suffer the same fate as all others before them. Don't rage on this :lol:

Brace yourself, here it comes.

And this Elder scrolls mmo doesn't sounds good at all.

Just like swtor, oh wait! It's funny because Elder Scrolls Online is making some of the same design choices (mistakes) as swtor. SAGE_OF_FIRE

An Elder Scrolls MMO that has nothing of what makes Elder Scrolls popular, including the visual design, is not capable of challenging WoW.

People don't want to play knock-offs, they want to play the original. When they're bored of that they'll play a unique game, not a clone of what bored them.

Just like Rift, SWTOR, LOTRO, EQ2, City of Heroes, and a laundry list of other games had a "chance of challenging WoW"?

They don't...the only game that will challenge WoW is Titan or whatever the next MMO from Blizzard is. Or when Blizzard stops supporting WoW and shifts entirely onto a new IP.

ugh... when will people stop with this whole "MMO X will destroy WoW" or even "challenge"

No.... No it wont. No, it will never. It relies on two false assumptions: 1) That WoW's development has completely stagnated allowing other games to surpass it 2) People are willing to stop playing even though their friends are playing WoW.

Neither of those things happen. EQ 2 didn't change WoW. Neither did Darkfall. Or LOTRO. Not SWTOR, either. Vanguard didn't. Aion? Warhammer? Star Trek? Age of Conan? Rift? Starting to see a pattern.

Its very easy to name a non-MMO that does, graphics, story, combat, question, action, etc better than an MMO. You can easily rattle off 20 games that does each category better than the top MMO holding each category. People play and stick with MMO's because their friends play it. Until you get a massive number of people and their friends to stick with it, they arent going anywhere. TES Online isnt going to do that either because its ultimately not going to change whats important about MMO's.

Good luck WoW is still the biggest out there

They said the same about Rift, Aion and Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Just shut up, WoW shall be for the next 5 years the number #1 MMO.

I have been following every single "big" MMO since WoW's golden days... and not a single IP was so popular or well-rated like TES.

You say ppl play what their friends play... how many ppl you know played Skyrim by recommendation from a friend ?

Also, don't forget what Warcraft was before it went MMO... the situation is very similar.

I'm not some devout fanboy, it's pretty obvious.

And would you mind at least reading the title before saying crap, saying it's capable of challenging it does not mean it will happen and take it over.

Lol, can an MMO be announced without everyone saying it kill WoW? Honestly I don't see WoW dying in the next 5 years. There is space for more than 1 MMO on the market and people should know that the more games the better for the consumer.

*facepalm*

Really :? ?

*facepalm*

Really :? ?

N30F3N1X

why not

Let's just judge a game before we even see gameplay footage. I mean, we already pretty much know the final product right?

Anyways, i agree that some of the things in the change-log for ESO were a bit unsettling, but i don't see how you can judge the game yet.

As far as challenging WoW, it might have trouble as the MMO genre is spreading fairly thin (recently gw2 tera and swtor) and many of the TES fans are not keen on the idea of ESO. But we will see

I see WOW as nothing to brag about.. It similar to all the mmo out there... as for Elder scrolls online, it will carry on a hype for sort time and will follows as any other mmo..

The lost potential with this is too much to bear...this is why I hate WoW, this is what it has done to MMOs, an Elder Scrolls MMO should be a sandbox...I just can't imagine how people who enjoy Skyrim would like to play WoW with the TES lore...it's just not right....

I have been following every single "big" MMO since WoW's golden days... and not a single IP was so popular or well-rated like TES.

You say ppl play what their friends play... how many ppl you know played Skyrim by recommendation from a friend ?

Also, don't forget what Warcraft was before it went MMO... the situation is very similar.

I'm not some devout fanboy, it's pretty obvious.

And would you mind at least reading the title before saying crap, saying it's capable of challenging it does not mean it will happen and take it over.

SovietsUnited

Unless WoW stops losing millions of subscribers any MMO has a chance of killing WoW. SWTOR has not failed, the reports of declining subscriptions are entirely false, though there has been lower player activity(less hours per week etc). WoW is dying, that is now a fact. That being said it will be years until WoW takes its last breath, declining from over 12 million subscribers still means millions of subscribers.
When WoW first released it had a few hundred thousand subscribers. SWTOR has over 2 million.Brean24

If you'd really know anything about the evolution of WoW and players then you'd not make such bold statements and the simple fact that it has 10 million subscribers seems to fly way above your head since you're using the word dying, I do not need to point at a dictionary do I? if WoW is dying with such a huge amount of subscriptions then what would you call...well, anything out there with a few millions at most? think before you post, if you don't want to think, wait for MoP and check those numbers again, since you seem to think that a peak during the launch of an expansion is the number of total subscriptions a game will hold till the next expansions otherwise it would be dying.

Oh and WoW had around 3.4-3.6 million, not several hundred thousands and it was a phenomenon at that time, it kept them all till TBC when it went even higher and SWTOR also doesn't have 2 mill, used to =/= has now.

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

I have been following every single "big" MMO since WoW's golden days... and not a single IP was so popular or well-rated like TES.

You say ppl play what their friends play... how many ppl you know played Skyrim by recommendation from a friend ?

Also, don't forget what Warcraft was before it went MMO... the situation is very similar.

I'm not some devout fanboy, it's pretty obvious.

And would you mind at least reading the title before saying crap, saying it's capable of challenging it does not mean it will happen and take it over.

DanielDust

Simple. SW's popularity is overrated. SWTOR sold around what, 2-3 million copies ? With 1.5-1.7 mil still playing it ? Skyrim sold 10 mil. copies in two-three weeks.

Also, TES is much more consistent in quality as a videogame than SW will ever be.

How often do we see "amazing" SW games, since KOTOR anyway ? Force Unleashed ? xD

Like I said, VERY similiar to Warcraft-WoW.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

I have been following every single "big" MMO since WoW's golden days... and not a single IP was so popular or well-rated like TES.

You say ppl play what their friends play... how many ppl you know played Skyrim by recommendation from a friend ?

Also, don't forget what Warcraft was before it went MMO... the situation is very similar.

I'm not some devout fanboy, it's pretty obvious.

And would you mind at least reading the title before saying crap, saying it's capable of challenging it does not mean it will happen and take it over.

SovietsUnited

Simple. SW's popularity is overrated. SWTOR sold around what, 2-3 million copies ? With 1.5-1.7 mil still playing it ? Skyrim sold 10 mil. copies in two-three weeks.

Also, TES is much more consistent as a videogame than SW will ever be.

How often do we see "amazing" SW games, since KOTOR anyway ? Force Unleashed ? xD

Like I said, VERY similiar to Warcraft-WoW.

SWTOR sold 2 million, about 1,6-1,7 playing, it became the laughingstock of the internet for all it's bad design choices. A friend of mine actually bought into the hype. He used to play WoW. He told that the game is pretty much horrible. If a horrible WoW clone with a crappy engine can hold about a million and a half subs on name alone... let's just say there are more suckers out there than you think.

But your logic is flawed because of one simple thing: Before WoW, how many theme-park MMOs were around? WHat was the standard of MMOs back then? WoW got popular because it was easy to get into, unlike other popular MMOs at the time, that focused more on sandbox gameplay. How many theme-park WoW clones have we had since then? What's the standard now?

Just like Rift, SWTOR, LOTRO, EQ2, City of Heroes, and a laundry list of other games had a "chance of challenging WoW"?

They don't...the only game that will challenge WoW is Titan or whatever the next MMO from Blizzard is. Or when Blizzard stops supporting WoW and shifts entirely onto a new IP.

Bruin1986

Those two games in bold pre-date World of Warcraft :)

You're still overestimating the power a simple name.

SWTOR wasn't developed to attract only "gamers" that care about the series, it failed completely, now look at TES, what makes TES? two simple things, mods and huge world, now imagine a game without any kind of mods, so, without an AMAZING amount of possible content, with a world accessible only through a fee, because there's no way they won't put a monthly fee on it, if through some miracle they don't, they only have a "slim" chance of making it a mild success.

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

I have been following every single "big" MMO since WoW's golden days... and not a single IP was so popular or well-rated like TES.

You say ppl play what their friends play... how many ppl you know played Skyrim by recommendation from a friend ?

Also, don't forget what Warcraft was before it went MMO... the situation is very similar.

I'm not some devout fanboy, it's pretty obvious.

And would you mind at least reading the title before saying crap, saying it's capable of challenging it does not mean it will happen and take it over.

DanielDust

Unless WoW stops losing millions of subscribers any MMO has a chance of killing WoW. SWTOR has not failed, the reports of declining subscriptions are entirely false, though there has been lower player activity(less hours per week etc). WoW is dying, that is now a fact. That being said it will be years until WoW takes its last breath, declining from over 12 million subscribers still means millions of subscribers.
When WoW first released it had a few hundred thousand subscribers. SWTOR has over 2 million.Brean24

If you'd really know anything about the evolution of WoW and players then you'd not make such bold statements and the simple fact that it has 10 million subscribers seems to fly way above your head since you're using the word dying, I do not need to point at a dictionary do I? if WoW is dying with such a huge amount of subscriptions then what would you call...well, anything out there with a few millions at most? think before you post, if you don't want to think, wait for MoP and check those numbers again, since you seem to think that a peak during the launch of an expansion is the number of total subscriptions a game will hold till the next expansions otherwise it would be dying.

Oh and WoW had around 3.4-3.6 million, not several hundred thousands and it was a phenomenon at that time, it kept them all till TBC when it went even higher and SWTOR also doesn't have 2 mill, used to =/= has now.

GW2 suffer the same fate as the ones before them? GW is still going strong and has a huge fanbase waiting to play GW2. They don't even need to challenge WoW. WoW WILL die before GW2 that's a fact.

But nothing is going to kill WoW except itself. When Blizzard decides it's time to pull the plug then it will happen. As for ESO the only saving grace it does have is that Matt Firor is the director. If it were anyone else I'd say the game would probably of been a flop like "the ones before them"

Oh god I'm gonna be hearing this for another 2-3 years, I thought GW2 would be the last of it. Not even going to argue, I'll let the games release speak for itself. I mean I'd be skeptical enough even if they were to follow what makes ES so good, but they're leaning too heavily towards traditional MMO gameplay and that right there is what'll kill it. Well not kill it, just make it another average MMO.

wow killer #965

SWTOR and GW2 are the only ones that had a chance, TOR already failed, and it had the biggest brand to back it up bioware + star wars.

all said i think the reason no other mmorpg will have wow success is because every single effin developer has the need of waste time and money in a mmorpg, and the market is crowded, unlike when wow launched.

I don't know why you're still imposing misinformation. You know what the max number was during WotLK? 11.5 mill, you know where it was before they released 4.0.1 that brought the new classes and some economy changes when a lot came back to prepare for Cataclysm? under 8 million, I can't seem to find the numbers, but it was for a period of 5 months, there were official statements at that time, but it seems they covered it up, since with 4.0.1 it quickly went up to 12 and raised even higher with the launch of Cataclysm )the numbers playing at that time were way lower, 4.5 mill at most, most servers were light-medium).

And for your information, it actually didn't loose subscribers at all, not in EU and NA, you know who was lost? Asia, because of Chinese laws that block internet and games at night, farmers can't do their job anymore, it's a huge win in the war against "illegal" trades, nowadays there barely are any gold sellers (those are almost entirely from EU and NA and they're not as efficient as Asian people that treat it as a job and prison "torture").

It's a simple fluctuation, they always had em and they were millions not just a few hundred thousands like you find in most popular interviews (it's either dying or just losing a few, the actual story is in the middle), just like you lose blood cells and others are created after a while (cancer would fit something like SWTOR or others that are in a continuous, inevitable, decline).

Even if I and many others don't really care about WoW anymore, there are always new players to take the place, WoW isn't dying and it won't die unless Blizzard wants it to (stops support) or an accident happens (still Blizzard, Titan), if it'll have a huge and steady community while Titan gets developed and if Titan too gets a decent community, nothing will stop them for decades except ^ Blizzard (it didn't stop extremely crappy F2P MMOs that I don't know how people can stand for more than a decade from still being alive and well). Whether developers like it or not this kind of RPG market is completely locked to WoW, you can't make a WoW with a different theme and expect to still have a community half an year or at most an year later, they need a completely new approach.

You're still overestimating the power a simple name.

SWTOR wasn't developed to attract only "gamers" that care about the series, it failed completely, now look at TES, what makes TES? two simple things, mods and huge world, now imagine a game without any kind of mods, so, without an AMAZING amount of possible content, with a world accessible only through a fee, because there's no way they won't put a monthly fee on it, if through some miracle they don't, they only have a "slim" chance of making it a mild success.

DanielDust

I agree with some points here, but...

I think they proved with Skyrim they can make a gameworld which isn't all that generic (Oblivion is a prime example). They've been working for a long time now (2007), and it's very possible that they have built a very detailed gameworld already. Whole of Tamriel... now that's a huge gameworld. At least, that's what it sounds like.

That's what pulled everybody I know into WoW. The fun and mysterious gameworld. Take that and give it the venerable TES name... known for exploration and huge gameworlds... and it looks like I recipe for success

User interface modding would solve the problem of a mod community IMO.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

You're still overestimating the power a simple name.

SWTOR wasn't developed to attract only "gamers" that care about the series, it failed completely, now look at TES, what makes TES? two simple things, mods and huge world, now imagine a game without any kind of mods, so, without an AMAZING amount of possible content, with a world accessible only through a fee, because there's no way they won't put a monthly fee on it, if through some miracle they don't, they only have a "slim" chance of making it a mild success.

SovietsUnited

I agree with many points here, but...

I think they proved with Skyrim they can make a gameworld which isn't all that generic (Oblivion is a prime example). They've been working for a long time now (2007), and it's very possible that they have built a very detailed gameworld already. Whole of Tamriel... now that's a huge gameworld. At least, that's what it sounds like.

That's what pulled everybody I know into WoW. The fun and mysterious gameworld. Take that and give it the venerable TES name... known for exploration and huge gameworlds... and it looks like I recipe for success

User interface modding would solve the problem of a mod community IMO.

If you think WoW was popular soley for its game world then think again. MMO's don't succeed because of that.

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

You're still overestimating the power a simple name.

SWTOR wasn't developed to attract only "gamers" that care about the series, it failed completely, now look at TES, what makes TES? two simple things, mods and huge world, now imagine a game without any kind of mods, so, without an AMAZING amount of possible content, with a world accessible only through a fee, because there's no way they won't put a monthly fee on it, if through some miracle they don't, they only have a "slim" chance of making it a mild success.

cyborg100000

I agree with many points here, but...

I think they proved with Skyrim they can make a gameworld which isn't all that generic (Oblivion is a prime example). They've been working for a long time now (2007), and it's very possible that they have built a very detailed gameworld already. Whole of Tamriel... now that's a huge gameworld. At least, that's what it sounds like.

That's what pulled everybody I know into WoW. The fun and mysterious gameworld. Take that and give it the venerable TES name... known for exploration and huge gameworlds... and it looks like I recipe for success

User interface modding would solve the problem of a mod community IMO.

If you think WoW was popular soley for its game world then think again. MMO's don't succeed because of that.

WoW killer #124

The sheep that play WoW will continue to play WoW... nothing will sway them.

Guild Wars 2 will be a good shephard and maybe sway a couple of them but most are already brainwashed beyond rejuvenation.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

You're still overestimating the power a simple name.

SWTOR wasn't developed to attract only "gamers" that care about the series, it failed completely, now look at TES, what makes TES? two simple things, mods and huge world, now imagine a game without any kind of mods, so, without an AMAZING amount of possible content, with a world accessible only through a fee, because there's no way they won't put a monthly fee on it, if through some miracle they don't, they only have a "slim" chance of making it a mild success.

SovietsUnited

I agree with some points here, but...

I think they proved with Skyrim they can make a gameworld which isn't all that generic (Oblivion is a prime example). They've been working for a long time now (2007), and it's very possible that they have built a very detailed gameworld already. Whole of Tamriel... now that's a huge gameworld. At least, that's what it sounds like.

That's what pulled everybody I know into WoW. The fun and mysterious gameworld. Take that and give it the venerable TES name... known for exploration and huge gameworlds... and it looks like I recipe for success

User interface modding would solve the problem of a mod community IMO.

And there's your problem. Whole of Tamriel. So many regions to explore. But no reason to do so, because of linear progression of the questline and instanced content. That's why people are aggravated over this, the potential for a fantastic open world MMORPG is there, but the world will be dead because the game is your typical instance grinder.

The sheep that play WoW will continue to play WoW... nothing will sway them.

Guild Wars 2 will be a good shephard and maybe sway a couple of them but most are already brainwashed beyond rejuvenation.

amekhov

[QUOTE="SovietsUnited"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

You're still overestimating the power a simple name.

SWTOR wasn't developed to attract only "gamers" that care about the series, it failed completely, now look at TES, what makes TES? two simple things, mods and huge world, now imagine a game without any kind of mods, so, without an AMAZING amount of possible content, with a world accessible only through a fee, because there's no way they won't put a monthly fee on it, if through some miracle they don't, they only have a "slim" chance of making it a mild success.

QQabitmoar

I agree with some points here, but...

I think they proved with Skyrim they can make a gameworld which isn't all that generic (Oblivion is a prime example). They've been working for a long time now (2007), and it's very possible that they have built a very detailed gameworld already. Whole of Tamriel... now that's a huge gameworld. At least, that's what it sounds like.

That's what pulled everybody I know into WoW. The fun and mysterious gameworld. Take that and give it the venerable TES name... known for exploration and huge gameworlds... and it looks like I recipe for success

User interface modding would solve the problem of a mod community IMO.

And there's your problem. Whole of Tamriel. So many regions to explore. But no reason to do so, because of linear progression of the questline and instanced content. That's why people are aggravated over this, the potential for a fantastic open world MMORPG is there, but the world will be dead because the game is your typical instance grinder.

Really, this thread devolved into a Blizzard stroke-fest? Who'd of thunk it? :shock:

Elder Scrolls Online - the only game capable of being the buggiest MMO upon launch.

Elder Scrolls Online - the only game capable of being the buggiest MMO upon launch.

jakes456

Excuse me for yet another thread in this ESO flood xD

Judging by how well Skyrim sold, as well as other TES games, backed up by it's venerable status in the gaming community, this game has huge potential to take the throne from WoW. If they do everything right, and adapt it's game aspects to those of an MMORPG, it's gonna be 2004. all over again.

What are your thoughts on this ?

And don't get me wrong, I freakin' LOVE WoW. Definitely one of the best games ever made.

As for TERA and GW2... well, you know... they'll suffer the same fate as all others before them. Don't rage on this :lol:

SovietsUnited

Forget it. TES Online is designed to flop. Almost no one liked the info coming from the magazine preview; is too diferent from a TES gane -no real time combat, no skills based on use, no first person, no house buying... -. Is aiming to fail, hard, from the release date. Also, the engine is terribad.

TERA Is the best MMO out currently.szafto

Probably EVE but in terms of combat and visuals TERA is an exceptional MMO; has some aspects in which is better than Guild Wars 2 and some other in which is worse, but at the end probably the lack of monthly fee in GW2 will make a dent.

Dude, there's no gameplay footage and you are already saying it will be awesome...