Elder Scrolls Online is the only game -CAPABLE- of challenging WoW

WoW-killer #543

It will be capable of being the buggiest game in existence.

999realthings

it will sure sell a lot due to the name,casuals giving it a chance etc.if it will maintain the number of copies sold remains to be seen

TERA Is the best MMO out currently.szafto

An Elder Scrolls MMO that has nothing of what makes Elder Scrolls popular, including the visual design, is not capable of challenging WoW.

People don't want to play knock-offs, they want to play the original. When they're bored of that they'll play a unique game, not a clone of what bored them.

Baranga

Exactly this. I agree completely.

Hi folks, bringing you the latest gossip about this new MMO, courtesy of RPG Codex.

First thing tough It's being powered by the HeroEngine, the same engine behind Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Classes for ESO are:

Fightermagethief
Fighterthiefmage
Magefighterthief
Magethieffighter
Thieffightermage
Thiefmagefighter

Enjoy.:)

i think WoW is shooting it self in the foot with this panda expansion

i think WoW is shooting it self in the foot with this panda expansion

kratos_q80

Hi folks, bringing you the latest gossip about this new MMO, courtesy of RPG Codex.

First thing tough It's being powered by the HeroEngine, the same engine behind Star Wars: The Old Republic.

GreyViper

is this why the graphics are dated looking? their game looks worse then Skyrims graphics. If anything it should look better since its nowhere near finished. or will they upgrade the graphics at the last part in the game build?

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Hi folks, bringing you the latest gossip about this new MMO, courtesy of RPG Codex.

First thing tough It's being powered by the HeroEngine, the same engine behind Star Wars: The Old Republic.

Yams1980

is this why the graphics are dated looking? their game looks worse then Skyrims graphics. If anything it should look better since its nowhere near finished. or will they upgrade the graphics at the last part in the game build?

i think WoW is shooting it self in the foot with this panda expansion

kratos_q80

Excuse me for yet another thread in this ESO flood xD

Judging by how well Skyrim sold, as well as other TES games, backed up by it's venerable status in the gaming community, this game has huge potential to take the throne from WoW. If they do everything right, and adapt it's game aspects to those of an MMORPG, it's gonna be 2004. all over again.

They have the setting: the continent of Tamriel that we all know and love, as well as great set-up for possible expansions: Atmora and Akavir. Not to mention the huge lore of the series itself. WoW started very similarily.

However, Bethesda isn't really well experienced with multiplayer, and are known for their glitchy games. MMO+Bethesda could be one hell of a bugfest at launch.

What are your thoughts on this ?

And don't get me wrong, I freakin' LOVE WoW. Definitely one of the best games ever made.

As for TERA and GW2... well, you know... they'll suffer the same fate as all others before them. Don't rage on this :lol:

SovietsUnited

And none of these games except WoW and Diablo 3 come close to the popularity and standard of TES.

Anyway, this was a speculation thread about the potential of Elder Scrolls MMO, but it seems many misunderstood it for a "HURR WoW WILL DIE !!1!" thread.

Judging by the first screenshots and info, it's looks pretty generic. Already loosing the TES identity. In my mind it's relegated from WoW challenger to WoW clone.

And none of these games except WoW and Diablo 3 come close to the popularity and standard of TES.

Anyway, this was a speculation thread about the potential of Elder Scrolls MMO, but it seems many misunderstood it for a "HURR WoW WILL DIE !!1!" thread.

Judging by the first screenshots and info, it's looks pretty generic. Already loosing the TES identity. In my mind it's relegated from WoW challenger to WoW clone.

SovietsUnited

i think WoW is shooting it self in the foot with this panda expansion

kratos_q80

doesnt matter, right now they are squeezing every last cent of wow before they launch their next mmorpg.

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And none of these games except WoW and Diablo 3 come close to the popularity and standard of TES.

Anyway, this was a speculation thread about the potential of Elder Scrolls MMO, but it seems many misunderstood it for a "HURR WoW WILL DIE !!1!" thread.

Judging by the first screenshots and info, it's looks pretty generic. Already loosing the TES identity. In my mind it's relegated from WoW challenger to WoW clone.

DanielDust

Shouldn't be hard since WoW is a boring fluff childs game.

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And none of these games except WoW and Diablo 3 come close to the popularity and standard of TES.

Anyway, this was a speculation thread about the potential of Elder Scrolls MMO, but it seems many misunderstood it for a "HURR WoW WILL DIE !!1!" thread.

Judging by the first screenshots and info, it's looks pretty generic. Already loosing the TES identity. In my mind it's relegated from WoW challenger to WoW clone.

Brean24

Gameplay and gameplay mechanics, for a MMO it's more than half of what it has to offer and in case you didn't notice where this MMO is going, it won't have much to do with being a TES game lore wise, just a hybrid of what's already popular with TES names.

Would you really buy/care about a game identical to another just because it has a new name of another series? you wouldn't.

Elder Scrolls will flop just like SWTOR and I'll tell you why.

Because they try to sell a NAME instead of selling good gameplay.

Budget goes into licensing the name, give money to Lucasfilm, instead of making the game fun to play.

WoW is not great because its based on Warcraft.

WoW is great because the gameplay is the most fun out of all MMO's.

SWTOR comes in

Gameplay is schit

Framerates are schit

Doesn't feel good to play.

Boring.

They waste their money to pay George Lucas, so they didn't spend on making an actually good executable, probably outsourced the programming to India or something.

I have been following every single "big" MMO since WoW's golden days... and not a single IP was so popular or well-rated like TES.

You say ppl play what their friends play... how many ppl you know played Skyrim by recommendation from a friend ?

Also, don't forget what Warcraft was before it went MMO... the situation is very similar.

I'm not some devout fanboy, it's pretty obvious.

And would you mind at least reading the title before saying crap, saying it's capable of challenging it does not mean it will happen and take it over.

SovietsUnited

When Wow came out there wasn't a game which's name is synonymous with the MMO gentre dominating maybe over %70 percent of MMO player-base with one of the greatest financial giants of gaming as their developer. That sounds not so similar to me.

Also, when wow came out, it was new. It borrowed many ideas but it combined them, polished them, mixed them with Blizz's own unique ideas and made them accesible and created something unique. In short you can't beat or even challange Wow simply with a clone game and a popular franchise. LOTRO and SWTOR already proved it hard. You have to do better than that.

I may have sounded like one but I'm not a wow fan. I played it for maybe 2-3 months and then quit. Yet I arknowladge that it was a great game while it lasted and it was masterfully crafted. The required talent, innovation and resources to make a game that will beat Wow, seems to me, only exist in Blizzard. They will kill Wow when they want to, only to make way for something else.

[QUOTE="Brean24"][QUOTE="DanielDust"] See how an extremely small amount of information can make you go 180 on your beliefs? They're not trying to do anything worth playing, they're trying to make a WoW/SWTOR/etc with a different theme and hope that the name and hype will be enough to fool some people.DanielDust

Gameplay and gameplay mechanics, for a MMO it's more than half of what it has to offer and in case you didn't notice where this MMO is going, it won't have much to do with being a TES game lore wise, just a hybrid of what's already popular with TES names.

Would you really buy/care about a game identical to another just because it has a new name of another series? you wouldn't.

Take a look at the previous games and compare the style with the monsters they revealed so far that screenshot and a few others in a magazine, I don't know what you see but I see WoW, SWtOR, Warhammer Online, etc, (take your pick) the general look, atmosphere and monsters that look like reskinned WoW mobs, but Tameriel is huge right? if they make it in general identical to everything else out there it doesn't mean that the game is generic and uninspired, it just mean that it's so huge the monsters were always there, before other games made them for years, right?


Nice that you avoid everything that isn't good for your arguments, like gameplay which, as you immediately jumped on WoW, is what defines the MMORPG genre and is completely blocked by it, no developers want to take chances with other designs, because...hey, if WoW made it, they can too...except they all fail for that reason, it's a lose - lose situation, they're all naive to think that something is still possible by doing the same thing.

I don't know about you, but if somebody gave me something like GTR 4 when in fact it's NFS MW and has nothing to do with the genre of GTR, I wouldn't stupidly accept it just because it has GTR 4 on the cover.

SW is huge, way bigger than TES will "ever" be and it's a dump (SWTOR), it's like they want to destroy it, but even SWTOR, useless and pointless as it is, didn't cut anything that didn't make the games what they were (KotOR), TES on the other hand throws everything out and brings something nobody ever wanted.

It will fail like everything else. Tera is irrelevant and GW 2 will make it even if they don't attract new players, their community that eagerly awaits for a new game in the series will be around 5 mill, it's more than any of these MMOs will get (TES and Tera).DanielDust

Once i can agree with this troll :)

Bethesda would make more money in the long run with a proper Skyrim expansion and then a proper Elder Scrolls game.

I would like to see a Pokemon MMORPG, though. It could perhaps take down World of WarCraft.

Well, obviously the thing that the TES mmo has going for it is the fact that it is based on a current and popular franchise, which ofcourse is similar to the situation in which WoW was all them years ago. That being said there will NEVER be something like a WoW killer, WoW came at the perfect time in the pefect form, it will never repeat. There will never be an mmo that has 10+ mln of paying customers per month. And once more that being said no mmo needs 10+mln players to make money.

How can an elder scrolls MMO that has nothing from the elder scrolls at all, except some basic lore even be considered as a game that can dethrone wow? TOR with its ingrained fanbase cant even do that, although it came close to selling as many copies as wow has US subscribers, but at 6 months later its already sending out the old come back and play for free emails.

taking a game that uses a completely different engine, a different playstyle, different combat, and calling it elder scrolls and saying its going to be great is a joke.

By the time that game comes out, I'll be so heavily invested in D3 and GW2 that it would have to do somethingreally inspiring to get me AND the same people I play every game with interested.

Based off the leaked information, in myopinion, it would appear as if they've opted to take the safest path possible and have decided to develop another WoW reskin. No thanks.

Also, I very sincerely doubt this game will not have a subscription fee. After playing GW2 and experiencing the exact type of entertainment I was anticipatinng, I can't really see myself justifying starting up on a new monthly subscription for a game that wasn't truly deserving. As of now, I doubt with every fiber of my being, that TESO will be that game.

But...who knows.

Time will tell, I still believe Blizzard new MMO is the only game capable of WoW numbers.

How can an elder scrolls MMO that has nothing from the elder scrolls at all, except some basic lore even be considered as a game that can dethrone wow? TOR with its ingrained fanbase cant even do that, although it came close to selling as many copies as wow has US subscribers, but at 6 months later its already sending out the old come back and play for free emails.

taking a game that uses a completely different engine, a different playstyle, different combat, and calling it elder scrolls and saying its going to be great is a joke.

boyd62

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How can an elder scrolls MMO that has nothing from the elder scrolls at all, except some basic lore even be considered as a game that can dethrone wow? TOR with its ingrained fanbase cant even do that, although it came close to selling as many copies as wow has US subscribers, but at 6 months later its already sending out the old come back and play for free emails.

taking a game that uses a completely different engine, a different playstyle, different combat, and calling it elder scrolls and saying its going to be great is a joke.

Sentinel112

You do realise that WoW succeeded by appealing to a wider audience...right? It succeeded because it introduced MMORPGs to carebears and casuals who wouldn't last more than 5 seconds in a sandbox MMO. Also, the heavily instanced, story oriented approach hand't been done a million times before already in 2004.The fact that it used the Warcraft name, while it helped it's growth with fans of the RTS, wasn't the sole factor that made WoW into a behemoth.

You do realise then, that ever since WoW came out there have been countless games just like WoW, heavily instanced and always story-oriented. The theme-park MMO scene is oversaturated already, there's WoW, there's Rift, there's SWTOR, there are countless others that failed, there are countless free ones.

It's like releasing a Fallout FPS, and making a CoD clone. Would it sell on name alone?

The whole idea of a 'WoW killer' is silly. There is no such thing as a WoW killer outside of time. Over the next decade WoW will slowly start to lose more and more subscribers and new games will start to inch close and closer to WoW's gradually declining numbers. There is NO game that is suddenly going to launch and gather 5-10 million subscribers in a couple of months. WoW itself didn?t hit these numbers for several years.

Next, a lot of people seem to think that MMO's have to compete with WoW's numbers to be successful in the first place, that?s crazy. Remember when EverQuest had 500.000 players? It was a mind blowing runaway success that everyone wanted to emulate. For SWTOR to have 1.5 million subscribers mean that it's a *very* successful MMO. Just because rift or AoC or SWTOR or LOTOR have much smaller numbers, doesn?t mean that they are not profitable. An MMO can have a couple of hundred thousand players and be a solid success that can continue to exist and evolve for years.EVE online is a successful MMO that's been around for years. It's only just recently reached 400k subscribers.

As for ES Online, it sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me. The ONE thing that makes the ES series truly unique is that it's single player. Make it an MMO and it no longer has anything that's unique or special about it. Combine this with their track record of having a lot of trouble with bugs and flaws and no experience with online play, I'm more than a little skeptical. Hopefully they'll prove me wrong and the game will be awesome, but I'm certainly not sold on the idea.

The problem with the whole WoW Killer deal is that WoW is a finely tuned killing machine. There is no reason to play a game that is just like WoW when you can just keep playing WoW with all of your friends. I don't even play WoW anymore but if I had to choose between WoW or a game that plays similar to WoW it is not a hard choice to make.

WoW has the WoW formula down, there is no reason to look anywhere else for something you have already found.

Why is there a great flood of MMOs? It's like one is coming out every month now.

I'm pretty sure I'll buy this game once it's released.

And wow, at least spanish eu servers, are pretty much zombie servers... everyone left for swotr.

I'm pretty sure I'll buy this game once it's released.

And wow, at least spanish eu servers, are pretty much zombie servers... everyone left for swotr.

_TheJoker_

Or Tera. Or GW2. Or Diablo 3. Or Aion or L2 going F2P.

Why is there a great flood of MMOs? It's like one is coming out every month now.

lild1425

I love TES. I love playing WoW. WoW killer or not I will give TES MMO a shot :)

SWTOR was supposed to be the only game that was capable of challenging WoW. It was made by Bioware (outside of DA2 they are an incredibly respected developer world wide) Hugely known for it's success with RPG's and tasked with creating a game in the star wars universe (incredibly huge fanbase with loads of lore behind it) and yet despite all of these facts.....SWTOR still barely scratched WoW.

How does Elder of scrolls change anything?

Personally, I don't want to see Elder Scrolls come out as an MMO, I'm just spoiled by the PC version. If you say it is capable of challenging WoW, well, time will tell the truth. Just tired of debating who can defeat WoW.

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Why is there a great flood of MMOs? It's like one is coming out every month now.

FPSfan1985

You just remind me of Torghlight Online.