Episodes from Liberty City PC improvements??

Do you think Rockstar will have optimized and fixed the ugly shadows and even add AA support with GTA IV, with Episodes from Liberty City??

wouldn't get my hopes up.

@ugly shadows - lol, wtf dude? U haven't played GTA San Andreas, have you?

@AA support - I doubt it. It will still use the Euphoria engine, which originally doesn't support AA and I don't thin kthat Rockstar will take their time adding new features. imo it's fine without AA, and even if they add it, it will again lag as hell because of it. GTA IV is one heluva heavy game.

What I expect are just some other minor optimization improvements and such.

@ugly shadows - lol, wtf dude? U haven't played GTA San Andreas, have you?

@AA support - I doubt it. It will still use the Euphoria engine, which originally doesn't support AA and I don't thin kthat Rockstar will take their time adding new features. imo it's fine without AA, and even if they add it, it will again lag as hell because of it. GTA IV is one heluva heavy game.

What I expect are just some other minor optimization improvements and such.

@ugly shadows - lol, wtf dude? U haven't played GTA San Andreas, have you?

Crimsader

The shadows in 4 suck. It's like they're made with Paint's airbrush tool.

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@ugly shadows - lol, wtf dude? U haven't played GTA San Andreas, have you?

Baranga

The shadows in 4 suck. It's like they're made with Paint's airbrush tool.

i wish i didnt buy the expansions double pack for xbox =( i never even went to go play it i cant... not if i have computer its like going back a gen

@ugly shadows - lol, wtf dude? U haven't played GTA San Andreas, have you?

@AA support - I doubt it. It will still use the Euphoria engine, which originally doesn't support AA and I don't thin kthat Rockstar will take their time adding new features. imo it's fine without AA, and even if they add it, it will again lag as hell because of it. GTA IV is one heluva heavy game.

What I expect are just some other minor optimization improvements and such.

It also looks a lot worse than the PC GTA IV on mediumDanielDust

[QUOTE="bakalhau90"]I didn't play the PS3 version, but it blurred objects with the filter, it was clear on the comparison I saw (which I can't find right now, sorry). The 360 had 2xAA, but the PS3 filter made the aliased effect less noticeable actually. charmingcharlie

Well perhaps you would care to tell us how Rockstar managed to do 2xAA with a game engine that uses deferred rendering and runs in Dx9. As far as I am aware it is next to impossible to do AA with deferred rendering in Dx9. It is possible to do it in Dx10 though, I don't believe for a second that the xbox 360 uses AA. When they released TBoGT on the xbox 360 they removed the vaseline blur and guess what was missing ? yep that was right there was no AA at all.

The 360 version is using AA. Digital Foundry is never wrong.

The 360 version is using AA. Digital Foundry is never wrong.

Baranga

This is why I deleted my post because I just cannot stand the crappy "oh yes it does" arguments we get on this board, yeah erm Digital Foundry is wrong as much of a surprise that might be. Well either they are wrong or Rockstar just happen to be the best damn programmers on the planet, in fact they are that good they managed to do something no one has ever achieved and that is full AA with deferred rendering. A feat that even Crytek have not been able to do for Crysis 2. Then after achieving this amazing technical feat they just decided to remove it from TBoGT for the Xbox 360.

Now meanwhile PC's 4 to 5 times more powerful than the xbox 360 are still unable to do AA in the game. The only way to get AA working in GTA 4 on the PC is with setting the render to a massive high res and sampling down which naturally kills the framerate. But hey this is the xbox 360 here that is "magical" the only people that ever said anything about the 360 having AA was a pixel counter, Rockstar has never said anything neither did Microsoft.

Do you think Rockstar will have optimized and fixed the ugly shadows and even add AA support with GTA IV, with Episodes from Liberty City??

mattuk69

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The 360 version is using AA. Digital Foundry is never wrong.

charmingcharlie

This is why I deleted my post because I just cannot stand the crappy "oh yes it does" arguments we get on this board, yeah erm Digital Foundry is wrong as much of a surprise that might be. Well either they are wrong or Rockstar just happen to be the best damn programmers on the planet, in fact they are that good they managed to do something no one has ever achieved and that is full AA with deferred rendering. A feat that even Crytek have not been able to do for Crysis 2. Then after achieving this amazing technical feat they just decided to remove it from TBoGT for the Xbox 360.

Now meanwhile PC's 4 to 5 times more powerful than the xbox 360 are still unable to do AA in the game. The only way to get AA working in GTA 4 on the PC is with setting the render to a massive high res and sampling down which naturally kills the framerate. But hey this is the xbox 360 here that is "magical" the only people that ever said anything about the 360 having AA was a pixel counter, Rockstar has never said anything neither did Microsoft.

There are deferred games that support AA on consoles - Killzone 2, Mirror's Edge, Metro 2033.

There are deferred games that support AA on consoles - Killzone 2, Mirror's Edge, Metro 2033.Baranga

There are ways of getting AA like results in games, for example Killzone 2 uses something called "Quincunx AA" which is a sort of texture blurring technique to simulate AA. As for Mirrors Edge I believe that used a software "fake" edge detection to give 2xAA like results and I can't comment on Metro 2033 since the game isn't even out yet. The thing is Killzone2 isn't an open world sandbox game and I would argue neither is Mirror's Edge and even on those "simplistic" games they don't have proper AA. Yet GTA 4 on the xbox 360 apparently managed to do 2 x AA properly in an open world sand box game and this 2 x AA miraculously disappeared when they removed the blur filter in TBoGT.

The only indication that GTA 4 ever had AA on the 360 was from a pixel counter, we certainly never heard Rockstar say that the game had AA (which you would think they would want to crow about). It's simply a fact that if a game is heavily reliant on Deferred Rendering then it won't be able to use traditional methods of AA, this is a limitation of Dx9 software and Dx9 hardware.

This really isn't an issue I feel all that strongly about, if you want to think the 360 version ran GTA 4 with 2xAA a feat that PC's 4 to 5 times more powerful can't match then that is up to you. Yes we can get AA on the PC now but that is only by sampling down from a higher resolution which is naturally a frame rate killer.

What I want is a new patch that actually fixes that game. Sure, it'll be nice to have the Episodes on the PC, but if nothing gets improved at all, then I see no point in buying it.

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@ugly shadows - lol, wtf dude? U haven't played GTA San Andreas, have you?

Crimsader

The shadows in 4 suck. It's like they're made with Paint's airbrush tool.

If you want good shadows, look at the Stalker games. they tried to make them realistic in GTA IV, but in reality they look pretty awful.