eVGA X58 Tri Sli + RAID 0 SSD's + SATA3?

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#1 Alpha_Omega69
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So I planned on getting two SSD's, the new Kingston HyperX models as their the only good ones I can get over here. Anyways I just found out that my motherboard does not support Raid 0 on the SATA 3 ports, and there is no point plugging two fast SSD's and raiding them on SATA2 ports from my understanding. So what do I need to do to get this whole idea to work? What do I need to buy, how do I make it work? Also I only have 1 PCI-E 1x slot left, using the rest. I only need something to get both these SSD's in raid 0 and achieve their full potential, nothing more.

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#2 GTR12
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Why do your RAID 2 SSD's? you lose TRIM.

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Why do your RAID 2 SSD's? you lose TRIM.

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Because i want to see those amazing read speeds, up to 960MB/s. TRIM only effects write which is not that important to me. So anyone? Alright so apparently I need a raid controller that can handle these two beasts, can anyone recommend one please? I want to be able to enjoy the maximum these can provide.

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[QUOTE="GTR12"]

Why do your RAID 2 SSD's? you lose TRIM.

Alpha_Omega69

Because i want to see those amazing read speeds, up to 960MB/s. TRIM only effects write which is nt that important to me. So anyone? Alright so apparently I need a raid controller that can handle these two beasts, can anyone recommend one please? I want to be able to enjoy the maximum these can provide.

You'll need more than what a PCI-E x1 slot can provide to fully appreciate the speed of those drives in RAID 0.

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#5 Alpha_Omega69
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[QUOTE="Alpha_Omega69"][QUOTE="GTR12"]

Why do your RAID 2 SSD's? you lose TRIM.

GS550L

Because i want to see those amazing read speeds, up to 960MB/s. TRIM only effects write which is nt that important to me. So anyone? Alright so apparently I need a raid controller that can handle these two beasts, can anyone recommend one please? I want to be able to enjoy the maximum these can provide.

You'll need more than what a PCI-E x1 slot can provide to fully appreciate the speed of those drives in RAID 0.

I can manage to free up the third PCI-E slot if it comes to it, so can you recommend a decent raid card? The third runs at 8X iirc.
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Wow what a waste of money.

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Wow what a waste of money.

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Who cares what someone does with their money - it doesn't impact you in any way, shape or form. He's asking for help, not criticism about how he spends his money.

Back on topic - as for a raid controller card, I'm no help here. Hopefully someone with some knowledge about a decent controller will chime in.

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#8 Alpha_Omega69
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[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

Wow what a waste of money.

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Who cares what someone does with their money - it doesn't impact you in any way, shape or form. He's asking for help, not criticism about how he spends his money.

Back on topic - as for a raid controller card, I'm no help here. Hopefully someone with some knowledge about a decent controller will chime in.

Thank you. People spend their money which ever way they please, I don't understand why people always have to state their opinion on how to spend your own money when not asked for it. All I want is a simple recommendation on how to get this to work, not on how to spend my own hard earned money.

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We have every right to mention when WE consider something to be a waste of money or not. You don't have to take our advice... but to take our right to give our opinion is far worse than anything we may say.
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#10 Alpha_Omega69
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We have every right to mention when WE consider something to be a waste of money or not. You don't have to take our advice... but to take our right to give our opinion is far worse than anything we may say.yachtboy
I never said you have no right to give your opinion, but this is a forum that is meant to be constructive and helpful, if its not related to the topic at hand then there is no point in mentioning it. If this topic asked whether or not SSD's are worth the money then it would be more than welcome but the matter of the fact is, it is not and does not further contribute to the aid in the topic creator. I can see that the PC Hardware forum is not what it use to be. I thank everyone for all their attempts at helping me with my issue, I will go ask elsewhere...

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#11 kraken2109
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[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

Wow what a waste of money.

neatfeatguy

Who cares what someone does with their money - it doesn't impact you in any way, shape or form. He's asking for help, not criticism about how he spends his money.

Back on topic - as for a raid controller card, I'm no help here. Hopefully someone with some knowledge about a decent controller will chime in.

I just don't understand why someone would feel the need to RAID SSDs.
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If you look at his sig the only thing he doesn't have is a third 580.... heck he even has 600gbs of raptor space for STORAGE. We all have our hobbies and I agree that he can spend it as he sees fit, but there is a point of quickly diminishing returns like say. It is kind of like my other hobby, reef keeping... You can spend thousands of dollars to exactly recreate tidal flows, but the research on exact currents and grow/health of species in a closed system is very limited (for a number of reasons), thus a more economical approach yields results that parallel that of the more expensive one. Going back to his setup... a RAID ssd with 900+ speeds is not going to give him much of anything.
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If you look at his sig the only thing he doesn't have is a third 580.... heck he even has 600gbs of raptor space for STORAGE. We all have our hobbies and I agree that he can spend it as he sees fit, but there is a point of quickly diminishing returns like say. It is kind of like my other hobby, reef keeping... You can spend thousands of dollars to exactly recreate tidal flows, but the research on exact currents and grow/health of species in a closed system is very limited (for a number of reasons), thus a more economical approach yields results that parallel that of the more expensive one. Going back to his setup... a RAID ssd with 900+ speeds is not going to give him much of anything.yachtboy
E-Peen man.
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[QUOTE="yachtboy"]If you look at his sig the only thing he doesn't have is a third 580.... heck he even has 600gbs of raptor space for STORAGE. We all have our hobbies and I agree that he can spend it as he sees fit, but there is a point of quickly diminishing returns like say. It is kind of like my other hobby, reef keeping... You can spend thousands of dollars to exactly recreate tidal flows, but the research on exact currents and grow/health of species in a closed system is very limited (for a number of reasons), thus a more economical approach yields results that parallel that of the more expensive one. Going back to his setup... a RAID ssd with 900+ speeds is not going to give him much of anything.kraken2109
E-Peen man.

Lol that would be the case if I flaunt my setup everyday on these forums, but its been ages since I posted here. Basically I just got an m18x laptop and am seeing a huge difference in load times with the SSD's I have installed on there, though albeit they are not the best, they are in RAID and achieve a combined speed of roughly 520 MB/s. It definitely helped a lot with battlefield 3 load times. Maybe 900+ MB/s is excessive, I am still going to get two, I might not raid them then, I just need the space. I like having all my games installed on the main drives. If raiding is pointless, would there be any downside to having windows on a C drive and my games on the other SSD? Would the speed be the same in loading them? or wouldn't it matter?

And also to some people the money might be a lot, but I have a decent job and I have more than enough money after each month to spend as I please, this is my hobby and I enjoy it a lot.

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I have never seen any benchmarking done, but from my personal experience there is little difference between having an os on one drive and programs on another vs having them all on one drive. If you are trying to be king of the benchmarks than exact data on this is most likely going to be hard to come by.... most likely the only info is from people with first hand experience and collecting read/write speeds. Real world performance is going to be nearly identical if not exactly identical.

I know what you mean about getting sucked into a hobby though, I am about to spend over $150 for a diy light setup and maybe $250 for a new current controller for my reef... I guess Kraken and mine's point isn't so much that you are spending money... so much as that money could be put to better uses within your current system (or life in general... or other hobbies). You ever consider a tri led setup? That would most likely give you far more enjoyment out of your hobby than a jump from 500 to 900 on your drives.

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I have never seen any benchmarking done, but from my personal experience there is little difference between having an os on one drive and programs on another vs having them all on one drive. If you are trying to be king of the benchmarks than exact data on this is most likely going to be hard to come by.... most likely the only info is from people with first hand experience and collecting read/write speeds. Real world performance is going to be nearly identical if not exactly identical.

I know what you mean about getting sucked into a hobby though, I am about to spend over $150 for a diy light setup and maybe $250 for a new current controller for my reef... I guess Kraken and mine's point isn't so much that you are spending money... so much as that money could be put to better uses within your current system (or life in general... or other hobbies). You ever consider a tri led setup? That would most likely give you far more enjoyment out of your hobby than a jump from 500 to 900 on your drives.

yachtboy
Oh i am not jumping from 500 to 900 that would be nonsense, my desktop has no SSD's in it. My laptop is the one with the SSD's. Basically after I saw how fast my laptop was responding and loading games in comparison to my desktop I realized I have to get SSD's for my desktop and if I was going to spend the money why not get the best, I think I am starting to agree with you guys, there is probably no point in raiding 2 500MB/s SSD's if the loading differences in games is minimal as that's all I care about. I think I am just going to get two for the space purposes and forget about the raid controller. Thanks guys.
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[QUOTE="yachtboy"]

I have never seen any benchmarking done, but from my personal experience there is little difference between having an os on one drive and programs on another vs having them all on one drive. If you are trying to be king of the benchmarks than exact data on this is most likely going to be hard to come by.... most likely the only info is from people with first hand experience and collecting read/write speeds. Real world performance is going to be nearly identical if not exactly identical.

I know what you mean about getting sucked into a hobby though, I am about to spend over $150 for a diy light setup and maybe $250 for a new current controller for my reef... I guess Kraken and mine's point isn't so much that you are spending money... so much as that money could be put to better uses within your current system (or life in general... or other hobbies). You ever consider a tri led setup? That would most likely give you far more enjoyment out of your hobby than a jump from 500 to 900 on your drives.

Alpha_Omega69
Oh i am not jumping from 500 to 900 that would be nonsense, my desktop has no SSD's in it. My laptop is the one with the SSD's. Basically after I saw how fast my laptop was responding and loading games in comparison to my desktop I realized I have to get SSD's for my desktop and if I was going to spend the money why not get the best, I think I am starting to agree with you guys, there is probably no point in raiding 2 500MB/s SSD's if the loading differences in games is minimal as that's all I care about. I think I am just going to get two for the space purposes and forget about the raid controller. Thanks guys.

RAID is more likely to cause problems too. I'd just use the 2 SSDs.
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[QUOTE="Alpha_Omega69"][QUOTE="yachtboy"]

I have never seen any benchmarking done, but from my personal experience there is little difference between having an os on one drive and programs on another vs having them all on one drive. If you are trying to be king of the benchmarks than exact data on this is most likely going to be hard to come by.... most likely the only info is from people with first hand experience and collecting read/write speeds. Real world performance is going to be nearly identical if not exactly identical.

I know what you mean about getting sucked into a hobby though, I am about to spend over $150 for a diy light setup and maybe $250 for a new current controller for my reef... I guess Kraken and mine's point isn't so much that you are spending money... so much as that money could be put to better uses within your current system (or life in general... or other hobbies). You ever consider a tri led setup? That would most likely give you far more enjoyment out of your hobby than a jump from 500 to 900 on your drives.

kraken2109

Oh i am not jumping from 500 to 900 that would be nonsense, my desktop has no SSD's in it. My laptop is the one with the SSD's. Basically after I saw how fast my laptop was responding and loading games in comparison to my desktop I realized I have to get SSD's for my desktop and if I was going to spend the money why not get the best, I think I am starting to agree with you guys, there is probably no point in raiding 2 500MB/s SSD's if the loading differences in games is minimal as that's all I care about. I think I am just going to get two for the space purposes and forget about the raid controller. Thanks guys.

RAID is more likely to cause problems too. I'd just use the 2 SSDs.

Alright thanks for the info Kraken, I just went ahead and ordered two of them off Amazon, not a bad deal either, got around 1.6 USD to the GB. Last time I checked on SSD's which was long ago, they were a lot more expensive than that.

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#19 NailedGR
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs

Raid is my favorite technology on earth.

Also TC, were you looking for something like this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227745

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#20 Alpha_Omega69
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs

Raid is my favorite technology on earth.

Also TC, were you looking for something like this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227745

NailedGR
Lol I remember that video, insane for the time...now imagine doing 24 of today's SSD's, that would be insane. I also did look into PCI-E SSD's but I decided I would rather have the HDD instead in case I want to move them to a laptop or something in the future.
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#21 NailedGR
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[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs

Raid is my favorite technology on earth.

Also TC, were you looking for something like this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227745

Alpha_Omega69

Lol I remember that video, insane for the time...now imagine doing 24 of today's SSD's, that would be insane. I also did look into PCI-E SSD's but I decided I would rather have the HDD instead in case I want to move them to a laptop or something in the future.

Yeah, I am kinda torn on that issue myself, on one hand the performance is much better when compared with the 2.5" SSDs but on the other hand, you need to make sure you have a pci-e slot open for it and you can't move it to a laptop.

I don't think I'll make the jump to SSD until it's about 50c/GB

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#22 yachtboy
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[QUOTE="Alpha_Omega69"][QUOTE="NailedGR"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs

Raid is my favorite technology on earth.

Also TC, were you looking for something like this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227745

NailedGR

Lol I remember that video, insane for the time...now imagine doing 24 of today's SSD's, that would be insane. I also did look into PCI-E SSD's but I decided I would rather have the HDD instead in case I want to move them to a laptop or something in the future.

Yeah, I am kinda torn on that issue myself, on one hand the performance is much better when compared with the 2.5" SSDs but on the other hand, you need to make sure you have a pci-e slot open for it and you can't move it to a laptop.

I don't think I'll make the jump to SSD until it's about 50c/GB

You realize that with rebates you can pick up a 120gb drive for $75 now which is getting close to that .50 cent mark. Of course the 120gb area is kind of an anomaly since anything above it, esp intel, goes crazy.