Fermi, 100% increase over GT200

Design Article releases tomorrow 7PM CST with complete Whitepaper info. New Features, new cache, new Memory setup, and yes it's about 100% performance increase over GTX-2xx so figure single GTX-285 vs 5870 then double the GTX-285 performance. Then it handles triangles different, triangles on any given frame can number in the hundreds of thousands so that's very important. It will fold a lot better. Increased efficiency in several areas. It's a revolutionary new design oriented toward tessellation (those pesky triangles) and geometric programming. Problem being every wire frame is made up of triangles, tessellation takes those triangle and breaks them down into many smaller triangles. This core is uniquely designed to handle that so geometric and shader heavy games you will see more than the 100% raw power increase. 520USD might handle it. At 2x GTX-285 performance that puts it above GTX-295 performance and it's DX11 ready and designed for that specifically. Current ATI offerings are really good but basically a double the hardware on the same core design to provide more raw power. GF100 is a core design to take advantage of what the industry needs today and for some time in the future. Read the article tomorro cause that's about all I can say tonight.

When are they coming out already? So I can buy the lowered priced ATi card. Im in dire need of an upgrade already.

Sounds good on paper. Where do they assume gtx-2xx = gtx-285 from the article though? Couldn't it be gtx 260/275/280 as well? If it were 295 then holy s**t, but that isn't possible unfortunately. Looking forward to some 100% facts though, but even still I don't know if I could justify spending $500+ on a card. That's what made the 5870 so good, it's value, at least when it was at or below msrp.

impressive but what the cards will cost is more importantNLahren

Are you guys forgetting about midrange gpu's? Sure the top dawg is going to cost a pretty penny (look at the 5970), but there will be less expensive solutions as well. If you wait long enough, you'll probably end up with another Fermi 8800gt equivalent (bang for buck imo).TheDuffman26

doubtful..

nivida after it made the gtx 260 essentially wrote off low end and mid range altogeather..

I swear, Fermi is going to be big. it will make me depressed tho, i can only dream of having one of these.GazaAli

seriously. Ive never been able to afford a new generation video card. I am always one generation behind.

I got a 6000 series when 7 came out.

Got a 7 when 8 came out

got a 8 when 9 came out

got a 9 when 200 came out lol

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I swear, Fermi is going to be big. it will make me depressed tho, i can only dream of having one of these.mrbojangles25

seriously. Ive never been able to afford a new generation video card. I am always one generation behind.

I got a 6000 series when 7 came out.

Got a 7 when 8 came out

got a 8 when 9 came out

got a 9 when 200 came out lol

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]I swear, Fermi is going to be big. it will make me depressed tho, i can only dream of having one of these.mrbojangles25

seriously. Ive never been able to afford a new generation video card. I am always one generation behind.

I got a 6000 series when 7 came out.

Got a 7 when 8 came out

got a 8 when 9 came out

got a 9 when 200 came out lol

thats such a pain man..i know how you feel..

i bought dual hd 3870 when we had the hd 4870 :P

Oh, Nvidia has low-mid range offerings...in tune of last-gen rebranded cards.

seriously. Ive never been able to afford a new generation video card. I am always one generation behind.

I got a 6000 series when 7 came out.

Got a 7 when 8 came out

got a 8 when 9 came out

got a 9 when 200 came out lol

mrbojangles25

Technically you're two generations behind, since 8 series = 9 series.

Oh, Nvidia has low-mid range offerings...in tune of last-gen rebranded cards.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

seriously. Ive never been able to afford a new generation video card. I am always one generation behind.

I got a 6000 series when 7 came out.

Got a 7 when 8 came out

got a 8 when 9 came out

got a 9 when 200 came out lol

kaitanuvax

Technically you're two generations behind, since 8 series = 9 series.

i hardly call that progress though..

lower end cards need to be more than rehashed effort.

wheres the love...

I'm reayd for the new cards. More cards on the market means better prices for everyone!

bigger question why would you want such power.. the hd 5970 is currently overqualified for everything and anything we throw at it..

until i can see a ned for such things.. nuts to you nivida im waiting a gen or two on you..

there is such a thing as too much power... nivida has let it go to there heads officially.

btw is it worth my time to grab this little number and then overclock it?

a quick question tho, why do we exactly need the 59xx series and Fermi's double the performance of GTX2xx? i play at 1920x1080 with my GTS 250, everything maxed out and i get a minimum of 40-50 fps...GazaAli

what exactly are you playing with that gts 250? also the cards are aimed at people with dual and triple monitor setups and people who want DX11 support

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]a quick question tho, why do we exactly need the 59xx series and Fermi's double the performance of GTX2xx? i play at 1920x1080 with my GTS 250, everything maxed out and i get a minimum of 40-50 fps...ironman388

what exactly are you playing with that gts 250? also the cards are aimed at people with dual and triple monitor setups and people who want DX11 support

nivida isnt catering to multi monitor support there really pushing 3d vision.. ati is the real multi monitor cornerstone.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]a quick question tho, why do we exactly need the 59xx series and Fermi's double the performance of GTX2xx? i play at 1920x1080 with my GTS 250, everything maxed out and i get a minimum of 40-50 fps...ironman388

what exactly are you playing with that gts 250? also the cards are aimed at people with dual and triple monitor setups and people who want DX11 support

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]a quick question tho, why do we exactly need the 59xx series and Fermi's double the performance of GTX2xx? i play at 1920x1080 with my GTS 250, everything maxed out and i get a minimum of 40-50 fps...TheDuffman26

or dont want the bleeding edge..

[QUOTE="ironman388"]

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]a quick question tho, why do we exactly need the 59xx series and Fermi's double the performance of GTX2xx? i play at 1920x1080 with my GTS 250, everything maxed out and i get a minimum of 40-50 fps...aura_enchanted

what exactly are you playing with that gts 250? also the cards are aimed at people with dual and triple monitor setups and people who want DX11 support

nivida isnt catering to multi monitor support there really pushing 3d vision.. ati is the real multi monitor cornerstone.

bigger question why would you want such power.. the hd 5970 is currently overqualified for everything and anything we throw at it..

until i can see a ned for such things.. nuts to you nivida im waiting a gen or two on you..

there is such a thing as too much power... nivida has let it go to there heads officially.

btw is it worth my time to grab this little number and then overclock it?

aura_enchanted

For a friend or for yourself? You have a better GPU already.

Im ready and waiting to see what the GF100 can do in real world gaming already got the cash set aside for the release so will either be the getting Fermi if its as i good as im hoping it is or save some money and get the 5870.Timbury

[QUOTE="aura_enchanted"]

bigger question why would you want such power.. the hd 5970 is currently overqualified for everything and anything we throw at it..

until i can see a ned for such things.. nuts to you nivida im waiting a gen or two on you..

there is such a thing as too much power... nivida has let it go to there heads officially.

btw is it worth my time to grab this little number and then overclock it?

kaitanuvax

For a friend or for yourself? You have a better GPU already.

myself but thx for ur input all the same :S

If I had a nickel for every time I heard "double the performance" or "100% performance increase" and not have it pan out to the hype I'd have quite a few nickels. I don't doubt that this will be an awesome series of cards, but I would refrain from making such bold statements until real world tests are conducted.

$500+ for a single-GPU card.. no thanks guys. It wasn't worth it for the 8800 Ultra, and it won't be worth it now.

$500+ for a single-GPU card.. no thanks guys. It wasn't worth it for the 8800 Ultra, and it won't be worth it now.

hartsickdiscipl

bigger question why would you want such power.. the hd 5970 is currently overqualified for everything and anything we throw at it..

until i can see a ned for such things.. nuts to you nivida im waiting a gen or two on you..

there is such a thing as too much power... nivida has let it go to there heads officially.

btw is it worth my time to grab this little number and then overclock it?

aura_enchanted

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

$500+ for a single-GPU card.. no thanks guys. It wasn't worth it for the 8800 Ultra, and it won't be worth it now.

TheDuffman26

Oh, Fermi wouldn't be different, but the competiton and economy already is different. Nobody, as you can see with the posts around here, would be stupid enough to splurge $500+ on a video card given the dire situation of the economy, which wasn't the case pre-2007. Nowadays, $70-$300 video cards are a more realistic buy - the segments which ATI are dominating.

That brings us to the second point - in 2007, ATI's answer to Nvidia's 8800 series were what - the 3000 series? It was a joke. Nowadays, do you see anyone recommending an overpriced Nvidia card to would-be upgraders? All I see are ATI cards everywhere. Just goes to show the prominence of the mainstream segment.

Just a bit of off topic, I know it's called Fermi or codenamed that. To me that codename is incredibly crap lol sounds like a ferbie, or at least thats what comes to mind.

I think the 380 GTX single card will be 20% faster than a 5870 single card in some games and similar in others.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

$500+ for a single-GPU card.. no thanks guys. It wasn't worth it for the 8800 Ultra, and it won't be worth it now.

TheDuffman26

But they haven't been behind ATI since the launch of the 8-series, so I don't think they can sell too many that cost $600 and make a profit if all these reports about bad yields are true. Also, it would need to perform twice as much as a 5850 for me to even consider paying $600 for it, which it most probably won't.

Anyone else think that fermi is the new ATI 2000 series? Big, power hungry, and expensive.

[QUOTE="TheDuffman26"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

$500+ for a single-GPU card.. no thanks guys. It wasn't worth it for the 8800 Ultra, and it won't be worth it now.

kaitanuvax

Oh, Fermi wouldn't be different, but the competiton and economy already is different. Nobody, as you can see with the posts around here, would be stupid enough to splurge $500+ on a video card given the dire situation of the economy, which wasn't the case pre-2007. Nowadays, $70-$300 video cards are a more realistic buy - the segments which ATI are dominating.

That brings us to the second point - in 2007, ATI's answer to Nvidia's 8800 series were what - the 3000 series? It was a joke. Nowadays, do you see anyone recommending an overpriced Nvidia card to would-be upgraders? All I see are ATI cards everywhere. Just goes to show the prominence of the mainstream segment.

They will force competition one way or another, either with prices (like they did with the 6600gt when ATI reigned supreme w/ x18xxx), or with high performance as usual.TheDuffman26

Yeah, that was what I was talking about. The old "best performance ever" card trick isn't going to work anymore with the economy and all. Nvidia's going to have to play the price/performance war sooner or later or they will suffer greatly.

[QUOTE="kaitanuvax"]

[QUOTE="TheDuffman26"]The 8800 ultra debuted at $800 while the gtx and gts debuted at $600 and $400 respectively. Nvidia has launched cards at ~$600 ever since the 7 series and has been successful every generation since. Fermi will be no different.TheDuffman26

Oh, Fermi wouldn't be different, but the competiton and economy already is different. Nobody, as you can see with the posts around here, would be stupid enough to splurge $500+ on a video card given the dire situation of the economy, which wasn't the case pre-2007. Nowadays, $70-$300 video cards are a more realistic buy - the segments which ATI are dominating.

That brings us to the second point - in 2007, ATI's answer to Nvidia's 8800 series were what - the 3000 series? It was a joke. Nowadays, do you see anyone recommending an overpriced Nvidia card to would-be upgraders? All I see are ATI cards everywhere. Just goes to show the prominence of the mainstream segment.

Agreed here, Nvidia has a great marketing devision. I mean - Would you lower your prices by $100 just so you're not as overpriced? Even tho you have to make more cards and have the same amount of profit? So, Yes they are overpriced for most of us but for them the prices give optimal profit without having to make too much cards to distribute to company's like EVGA/Asus.Keipi

Nvidia cards, I will not lie, tend to be of higher quality esp. with their cooling parts, and thus cost much more to manufacture. Thus part of the reason for their ridiculously high price - it's like a PS3 - they can't afford to drop the price or they wouldn't be making a profit at all.

[QUOTE="Keipi"] Agreed here, Nvidia has a great marketing devision. I mean - Would you lower your prices by $100 just so you're not as overpriced? Even tho you have to make more cards and have the same amount of profit? So, Yes they are overpriced for most of us but for them the prices give optimal profit without having to make too much cards to distribute to company's like EVGA/Asus.kaitanuvax

Nvidia cards, I will not lie, tend to be of higher quality esp. with their cooling parts, and thus cost much more to manufacture. Thus part of the reason for their ridiculously high price - it's like a PS3 - they can't afford to drop the price or they wouldn't be making a profit at all.

I agree, but I still think they are a little TOO overpriced.

I love to read all the hints and guesses of Fermi, it just the way Nvidia want it! The more roumors of an arrival of the almigthy saviour the less ATI sells, this has been the way of Nvidias marketing a looong thime.

And just because it has the dubble amount of rop/shaders/textureunits or whatever... dont mean it has the dubble power, do a simple math folks, what really matter is at what clock they work in, and just because they make the dubble of ___ do they still add x2 to the memorybandwidth and do they do the dubble of evrything, i can tell you rigthaway that this isnt the case because then either you or me should afford it.

I have big hopes on Nvidias Fermi but dont exspect dubble the power of an gtx285 (that is a card that wasnt released on the launch of the GT200), because it's a loooong way to travel, I have one concern also are they here alredy? -No because they didn't cut it to the when the release of AMDs HD58xx serie, since then they've working their b_tts of to make a compettetive and better produkt but just alot later. (like 5-8 months late.)

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

$500+ for a single-GPU card.. no thanks guys. It wasn't worth it for the 8800 Ultra, and it won't be worth it now.

TheDuffman26

Like I said, it wasn't worth it then, and it won't be worth it now.

[QUOTE="TheDuffman26"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

$500+ for a single-GPU card.. no thanks guys. It wasn't worth it for the 8800 Ultra, and it won't be worth it now.

hartsickdiscipl

Like I said, it wasn't worth it then, and it won't be worth it now FOR ME.

I'll wait until the price drops (a lot), but I'm still excited to see what these cards can do

* fixedTheDuffman26

Too bad you don't respresent the majority of GPU buyers. Enthusiasts like you make up 1-5% of consumers. No way is Nvidia going to profit solely from such a small segment of the market.