Check it out here boys! The new Microsoft is in town!!
The one we call Supermario sends his regards and from his lair strives on his evil thoughts of world domination...
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Check it out here boys! The new Microsoft is in town!!
The one we call Supermario sends his regards and from his lair strives on his evil thoughts of world domination...
So the message is "If you're holding out for Windows 7 instead of moving from XP, you'd be just as well off splashing on an expensive copy of Vista right now".
It is a pretty nasty way to screw those who bought Home Basic.
Oh, and be sure to read the small print: "Note: PCs must be purchased during the Program Eligibility Period, which does not yet appear to have been publicly disclosed."
Its a great OS. Stop bashing it. People believe any rumor they hear nowadays. Windows Vista has been serving me perfectly without issues. Windows 7 is even faster.painguy1
My thoughts exactly.
Smart thing for Microsoft to do. Vista doesn't have a good name for itself out on the street (although most of the rationale for that has no basis), and Windows 7 is actually really good. Boots and shuts down almost twice as fast as Vista, for instance.
Pretty charitable of Bill to do this, but then, he kinda had to.
Nobody's bashing it. I just don't see why it can't be a free upgrade for all Vista users.jimmyjammer69I don't think it would matter what MS did in some peoples eyes...
Wait what's this "Program Eligibility Period" are they going to screw over customers that bought Vista when it came out?
Although, I can get Vista Ultimate for like $40 with my student discount (awesome). I still can't believe microsoft would leave out a majority of it's customers when they should try to get rid of the Vista OS altogether.
[QUOTE="painguy1"]Its a great OS. Stop bashing it. People believe any rumor they hear nowadays. Windows Vista has been serving me perfectly without issues. Windows 7 is even faster.Phoenix534
My thoughts exactly.
Congratulations... you got a combination of HW that worked well with Vista. Don't assume because YOU didn't have issues that a vast majority didn't. My PC came pre-loaded with Vista and had to be re-imaged every 3 months because of OS corruption... went back to XP and in 3 years haven't had an issue. The 35 unit test environment at my company, 4/5 had to be reimaged every 2-4 months because of OS corruption but the other 1/5 worked just great. Just because YOU didn't have issues doesn't mean that vista wasn't complete CRAP to other people and completely unviable as an "upgrade".
"anecdotal data" look it up...
I'm still trying to confirm exactly what that is. Its quite confusing.Wait what's this "Program Eligibility Period" are they going to screw over customers that bought Vista when it came out?
Although, I can get Vista Ultimate for like $40 with my student discount (awesome). I still can't believe microsoft would leave out a majority of it's customers when they should try to get rid of the Vista OS altogether.
Swiftstrike5
[QUOTE="Phoenix534"][QUOTE="painguy1"]Its a great OS. Stop bashing it. People believe any rumor they hear nowadays. Windows Vista has been serving me perfectly without issues. Windows 7 is even faster.weirjf
My thoughts exactly.
Congratulations... you got a combination of HW that worked well with Vista. Don't assume because YOU didn't have issues that a vast majority didn't. My PC came pre-loaded with Vista and had to be re-imaged every 3 months because of OS corruption... went back to XP and in 3 years haven't had an issue. The 35 unit test environment at my company, 4/5 had to be reimaged every 2-4 months because of OS corruption but the other 1/5 worked just great. Just because YOU didn't have issues doesn't mean that vista wasn't complete CRAP to other people and completely unviable as an "upgrade".
"anecdotal data" look it up...
Yeah, Vista works pretty well for me, but it isn't without it's issues...and it was a pain in the butt getting a lot of my hardware and software to work on Vista, when it worked great with XP. I had to do days worth of googling/reading forums to figure how to make it all hash out. I would revert back to XP, because I had far fewer compatibility issues with it, but I can't be arsed into spending all the time to uninstall and reinstall all my programs.
[QUOTE="weirjf"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]My thoughts exactly.
StrawberryHill
Congratulations... you got a combination of HW that worked well with Vista. Don't assume because YOU didn't have issues that a vast majority didn't. My PC came pre-loaded with Vista and had to be re-imaged every 3 months because of OS corruption... went back to XP and in 3 years haven't had an issue. The 35 unit test environment at my company, 4/5 had to be reimaged every 2-4 months because of OS corruption but the other 1/5 worked just great. Just because YOU didn't have issues doesn't mean that vista wasn't complete CRAP to other people and completely unviable as an "upgrade".
"anecdotal data" look it up...
Yeah, Vista works pretty well for me, but it isn't without it's issues...and it was a pain in the butt getting a lot of my hardware and software to work on Vista, when it worked great with XP. I had to do days worth of googling/reading forums to figure how to make it all hash out. I would revert back to XP, because I had far fewer compatibility issues with it, but I can't be arsed into spending all the time to uninstall and reinstall all my programs.
[QUOTE="StrawberryHill"][QUOTE="weirjf"]Congratulations... you got a combination of HW that worked well with Vista. Don't assume because YOU didn't have issues that a vast majority didn't. My PC came pre-loaded with Vista and had to be re-imaged every 3 months because of OS corruption... went back to XP and in 3 years haven't had an issue. The 35 unit test environment at my company, 4/5 had to be reimaged every 2-4 months because of OS corruption but the other 1/5 worked just great. Just because YOU didn't have issues doesn't mean that vista wasn't complete CRAP to other people and completely unviable as an "upgrade".
"anecdotal data" look it up...Sam3231
Yeah, Vista works pretty well for me, but it isn't without it's issues...and it was a pain in the butt getting a lot of my hardware and software to work on Vista, when it worked great with XP. I had to do days worth of googling/reading forums to figure how to make it all hash out. I would revert back to XP, because I had far fewer compatibility issues with it, but I can't be arsed into spending all the time to uninstall and reinstall all my programs.
Yep. That sums it up exactly for me. I never had problems with XP. Period. But after spending days getting Vista to work...and now it works okay...just okay - not quite as stable as XP, I refuse to spend a bunch of time reinstalling all my software. My next OS system will be installed when I build another pc. :roll:
Im Glad to say that I am Elgible for this Upgrade, and personally, I am glad. Im not saying I have had too many problems with vista, hell, I only had it for 4 months, but it just doesn't feel right.I think thats really a wierd move on Microsoft.
Edit: maybe not So, apparently The Elgibility for this program states it has to be after July 1,2009. What the? Are they Serious? Now this IS rediculous.
Im Glad to say that I am Elgible for this Upgrade, and personally, I am glad. Im not saying I have had too many problems with vista, hell, I only had it for 4 months, but it just doesn't feel right.I think thats really a wierd move on Microsoft.
Edit: maybe not So, apparently The Elgibility for this program states it has to be after July 1,2009. What the? Are they Serious? Now this IS rediculous.
Aslyum_Beast
Wow, looks like I've got a free Windows 7 upgrade coming my way. Good job Microsoft. That Vista purchase wasn't a complete waste of money after all.GodLovesDeadIt is for Vista PCs purchased after June or July 2009. At this point no one is eligible. Did you expect a free upgrade regardless of when you got Vista? That will never happen.
Remember that XP has been around a loooooooooooooong time (2001!), so you might not remember how sorry it was when it was first released. The first rollout didn't have drivers for almost any current network card, and very few video cards, and sound almost never worked right either. It was a slug and it would throw up error messages on your screen all the time. It's been a while - I bet you don't remember that.
The first version of Vista had its issues, too, of course, but it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than original XP.
I doubt MSDN copies count. :P
My parents were responsible for getting Windows 98/XP for me and I've been using the MSDN programme for upgrades since attending Uni.
I'll be out of uni by the time Windows 7 is out so won't have access to MSDN, if it's good looks like Windows 7 will be the first Microsoft OS I'll be paying for out my own pocket.
[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]Wow, looks like I've got a free Windows 7 upgrade coming my way. Good job Microsoft. That Vista purchase wasn't a complete waste of money after all.DeihmosIt is for Vista PCs purchased after June or July 2009. At this point no one is eligible. Did you expect a free upgrade regardless of when you got Vista? That will never happen. Son of a bizziatch. You're right. Off to the harbor I go.
Yuh, I do MSDN too (Action Pack, actually . . . just about the same thing). I think it will "count" . . . we'll see if I'm right. MS might just ship Windows 7 with their next package, too.I doubt MSDN copies count. :P
AnnoyedDragon
Exactly!Remember that XP has been around a loooooooooooooong time (2001!), so you might not remember how sorry it was when it was first released. The first rollout didn't have drivers for almost any current network card, and very few video cards, and sound almost never worked right either. It was a slug and it would throw up error messages on your screen all the time. It's been a while - I bet you don't remember that.
The first version of Vista had its issues, too, of course, but it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than original XP.
Oxilica
I think you are misunderstanding Microsoft's intent. Vista basic was only designed for systems with specs that were too low to utilize the aero interface. The assumption is that if you have vista basic you probably don't have a computer that could run windows 7 with ease. They aren't trying to cut you out of anything. They just want to support machines that have a high likelihood of being compatible. Keep in mind Microsoft is currently being sued by the US and EU over the vista compatible issue and they don't want another misstep like that.So the message is "If you're holding out for Windows 7 instead of moving from XP, you'd be just as well off splashing on an expensive copy of Vista right now".
It is a pretty nasty way to screw those who bought Home Basic.
Oh, and be sure to read the small print: "Note: PCs must be purchased during the Program Eligibility Period, which does not yet appear to have been publicly disclosed."
jimmyjammer69
Remember that XP has been around a loooooooooooooong time (2001!), so you might not remember how sorry it was when it was first released. The first rollout didn't have drivers for almost any current network card, and very few video cards, and sound almost never worked right either. It was a slug and it would throw up error messages on your screen all the time. It's been a while - I bet you don't remember that.
The first version of Vista had its issues, too, of course, but it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than original XP.
Exactly! The first version of Vista had its issues but was way better than the original XP? Sorry, but you can't make that statement for anyone except yourself. Thanks for playing. I had very few issues with the initial release of XP except with compatability with some games. Vista I had constant issues from day 1 not only with games but with apps and the OS itself. We all have our experience with it and my experience trumps your experience when it comes to my purchasing decisions.Remember that XP has been around a loooooooooooooong time (2001!), so you might not remember how sorry it was when it was first released. The first rollout didn't have drivers for almost any current network card, and very few video cards, and sound almost never worked right either. It was a slug and it would throw up error messages on your screen all the time. It's been a while - I bet you don't remember that.
The first version of Vista had its issues, too, of course, but it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than original XP.
Exactly! The first version of Vista had its issues but was way better than the original XP? Sorry, but you can't make that statement for anyone except yourself. Thanks for playing. I had very few issues with the initial release of XP except with compatability with some games. Vista I had constant issues from day 1 not only with games but with apps and the OS itself. We all have our experience with it and my experience trumps your experience when it comes to my purchasing decisions. Actually XP was very bad when first released,,,,i remember hearing a lot of that in the general press at the time.So the message is "If you're holding out for Windows 7 instead of moving from XP, you'd be just as well off splashing on an expensive copy of Vista right now".
It is a pretty nasty way to screw those who bought Home Basic.
Oh, and be sure to read the small print: "Note: PCs must be purchased during the Program Eligibility Period, which does not yet appear to have been publicly disclosed."
I think you are misunderstanding Microsoft's intent. Vista basic was only designed for systems with specs that were too low to utilize the aero interface. The assumption is that if you have vista basic you probably don't have a computer that could run windows 7 with ease. They aren't trying to cut you out of anything. They just want to support machines that have a high likelihood of being compatible. Keep in mind Microsoft is currently being sued by the US and EU over the vista compatible issue and they don't want another misstep like that. Ok. My understanding was that Windows 7 is much less resource intensive than Vista in general, and should run better on all machines than any version of Vista. I also thought that Aero was an option which could easily be turned off in all versions of Vista. Why build a separate version of Vista if this was the case? And why deny Basic users of a free upgrade which would perform better on their machine, when that's what they're doing for users of all other versions?[QUOTE="weirjf"][QUOTE="Daytona_178"] Exactly!Daytona_178The first version of Vista had its issues but was way better than the original XP? Sorry, but you can't make that statement for anyone except yourself. Thanks for playing. I had very few issues with the initial release of XP except with compatability with some games. Vista I had constant issues from day 1 not only with games but with apps and the OS itself. We all have our experience with it and my experience trumps your experience when it comes to my purchasing decisions. Actually XP was very bad when first released,,,,i remember hearing a lot of that in the general press at the time.
OK, I was involved with the transition to XP and Vista with my company. The XP lab had over 50 computers with 30 different HW configurations. The Vista lab had 35 with 25 different HW configurations. We rolled out XP in a little over a year. After 20 months with Vista we pulled it off the shelf and stuck with XP. It was the worst starting OS we have had since Windows 3.11 and NT 3.5. The only OS that is worse period would have to be Windows ME. Does Vista work fine on my wife's laptop? Yes... 1 out of 100 ain't bad.
So the message is "If you're holding out for Windows 7 instead of moving from XP, you'd be just as well off splashing on an expensive copy of Vista right now".
It is a pretty nasty way to screw those who bought Home Basic.
Oh, and be sure to read the small print: "Note: PCs must be purchased during the Program Eligibility Period, which does not yet appear to have been publicly disclosed."
I think you are misunderstanding Microsoft's intent. Vista basic was only designed for systems with specs that were too low to utilize the aero interface. The assumption is that if you have vista basic you probably don't have a computer that could run windows 7 with ease. They aren't trying to cut you out of anything. They just want to support machines that have a high likelihood of being compatible. Keep in mind Microsoft is currently being sued by the US and EU over the vista compatible issue and they don't want another misstep like that. Ok. My understanding was that Windows 7 is much less resource intensive than Vista in general, and should run better on all machines than any version of Vista. I also thought that Aero was an option which could easily be turned off in all versions of Vista. Why build a separate version of Vista if this was the case? And why deny Basic users of a free upgrade which would perform better on their machine, when that's what they're doing for users of all other versions? I don't think anyone is going to get the free upgrade. It's just trying to motivate people waiting for Windows 7 to go ahead and purchase Vista.Congratulations... you got a combination of HW that worked well with Vista. Don't assume because YOU didn't have issues that a vast majority didn't. My PC came pre-loaded with Vista and had to be re-imaged every 3 months because of OS corruption... went back to XP and in 3 years haven't had an issue. The 35 unit test environment at my company, 4/5 had to be reimaged every 2-4 months because of OS corruption but the other 1/5 worked just great. Just because YOU didn't have issues doesn't mean that vista wasn't complete CRAP to other people and completely unviable as an "upgrade".weirjfOS corruption? How so? I do SMB consulting, so get to poke around a fair number of setups, and people tend to nuke and reimage computers when they don't need to. this is mostly professional curiosity, i guess.
[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]Yuh, I do MSDN too (Action Pack, actually . . . just about the same thing). I think it will "count" . . . we'll see if I'm right. MS might just ship Windows 7 with their next package, too. and IIRC MSDN licensing doesn't allow you to use the products for production, whereas the action pack does. microsoft's generally lax on enforcing the licensing, but we did get 'The Call' a while ago over some MSDN licenses that were running around where they shouldn't be D:I doubt MSDN copies count. :P
Oxilica
[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="adrake4183"] I think you are misunderstanding Microsoft's intent. Vista basic was only designed for systems with specs that were too low to utilize the aero interface. The assumption is that if you have vista basic you probably don't have a computer that could run windows 7 with ease. They aren't trying to cut you out of anything. They just want to support machines that have a high likelihood of being compatible. Keep in mind Microsoft is currently being sued by the US and EU over the vista compatible issue and they don't want another misstep like that.Swiftstrike5Ok. My understanding was that Windows 7 is much less resource intensive than Vista in general, and should run better on all machines than any version of Vista. I also thought that Aero was an option which could easily be turned off in all versions of Vista. Why build a separate version of Vista if this was the case? And why deny Basic users of a free upgrade which would perform better on their machine, when that's what they're doing for users of all other versions? I don't think anyone is going to get the free upgrade. It's just trying to motivate people waiting for Windows 7 to go ahead and purchase Vista. I have a bad feeling about that too.
[QUOTE="Phoenix534"][QUOTE="painguy1"]Its a great OS. Stop bashing it. People believe any rumor they hear nowadays. Windows Vista has been serving me perfectly without issues. Windows 7 is even faster.weirjf
My thoughts exactly.
Congratulations... you got a combination of HW that worked well with Vista. Don't assume because YOU didn't have issues that a vast majority didn't. My PC came pre-loaded with Vista and had to be re-imaged every 3 months because of OS corruption... went back to XP and in 3 years haven't had an issue. The 35 unit test environment at my company, 4/5 had to be reimaged every 2-4 months because of OS corruption but the other 1/5 worked just great. Just because YOU didn't have issues doesn't mean that vista wasn't complete CRAP to other people and completely unviable as an "upgrade".
"anecdotal data" look it up...
Simple way to keep vista from pissing you off is to not install unecasry drivers that corrupt the kernal like it ussually does in liniux. For those of you who dont know theres something called msconfig. It lets you turn of crap services and startup programs that you volantaraly installed that cause issues. Most people complain about vista cause they go of installing a bunch of sh!t that seemd useful even though they've never heard of it in their lives. Its even in xp so use that and stop complaining.
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