Games today lack of creativity ?

I am being tierd of those all new generic games ....Today games got all what they need except of creativity and uniqness. Call of Duty 9 sequels , Diablo 3 is for me Diablo 2.5 ,... Crisys 3 , Stronghold 3, Red Alert 3, GTA V , Heroes of Might and Magic VI , BF 3 , Dead Space 3 ,.... 3 new games came out in 1 year and 30 or more sequels dunno i am just sick of this generic reproduction new engine , same name , same theme, same story line ,,,,, Last games i was blown out were Dragon Age I , Kingdoms of Amalur,..... Your thoughts fellow GS members.

Blame Publishers and HQs that always deny designers the ability to try new things. They don't want to try new things too often mostly due to the fact that they are uncertain if it will bring in money for the company so they vote against it.

Of course there are some dev teams that have found a nice combination of features and saw that they got lots of sales from it so they are wary of straying away from that combination and incorporate little to no improvements on their new games and tend to not release new IPs.

So ya, lots of games coming from big time companies aren't the most creative games out there... If you want creativity, then Indie games are where they are at. Not all of them of course, since most indies just copy a game but slap on a new art style to it or something. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the ones that break away from the common gameplay mechanics and use new mechanics or revamp something that gives it a fresh new feel to it.

I am being tierd of those all new generic games ....Today games got all what they need except of creativity and uniqness. Call of Duty 9 sequels , Diablo 3 is for me Diablo 2.5 ,... Crisys 3 , Stronghold 3, Red Alert 3, GTA V , Heroes of Might and Magic VI , BF 3 , Dead Space 3 ,.... 3 new games came out in 1 year and 30 or more sequels dunno i am just sick of this generic reproduction new engine , same name , same theme, same story line ,,,,, Last games i was blown out were Dragon Age I , Kingdoms of Amalur,..... Your thoughts fellow GS members.

Assimilat0r

Diablo 2.5? Really? Come on...

Also It's been 4 years since the last core GTA game.

Dunno, GW2 seems so far only game which will give me what i want from a solid game. In 2012!

I don't see how somebody making such a thread can be blown away by a game like Kingdoms of Amalur, that is the most uninspired, mediocre, pointless game since, I'd say ever but it's right behind the worst game I ever played, Oblivion.DanielDust

Said a man who playing WoW most of his time.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]I don't see how somebody making such a thread can be blown away by a game like Kingdoms of Amalur, that is the most uninspired, mediocre, pointless game since, I'd say ever but it's right behind the worst game I ever played, Oblivion.Assimilat0r

Said a man who playing WoW most of his time.

I'll condense the next response of your possible future comment, your brain would have to be totally blown to think that World of Warcraft ( a game I stopped playing quite a while ago) is the same thing as the tank simulator(ish) game World of Tanks, that I play most of the time these days.

The problem is those games dont sell. People buy repetitive, easy to master games not complex ones. Strategy games sell very poorly becasue people dont want to spend time learning it as if everybody has attention deficit disorder.

Of course not! Just look at how many differences there are between each CoD game! I mean, some of them even have new maps! How innovative is that!!

Also take a look at MMORPGs! Every single new MMORPG is TOTTALLY NOT another crappy WoW clone aimed towards casuals and carebears!

How does Red Alert 3 lack creativity? Or how does it even look remotely to RA1 and 2? The game is entirely different, with a huge but somewhat cartoony graphic update and an entirely new race.

Terraria, SpaceChem, Sanctum, Dungeons of Dredmor, Frozen Synapse, The Path, Osmos, Nitronic Rush, Amnesia, Dwarf Fortress, Mount and Blade, Defcon, To the Moon

How does Red Alert 3 lack creativity? Or how does it even look remotely to RA1 and 2? The game is entirely different, with a huge but somewhat cartoony graphic update and an entirely new race.

RoccoHout

What's more creative - coming up with a new IP with a refreshing new story, new gameplay, new soundtrack and new ideas; or sticking to a game made nearly two decades ago, needlessly dragging out its story and doing little new except add on co-op? It's the fact that devs are clinging on to past ideas (i.e. Gearbox's new Alien game - same tired old franchise) and not inventing their own.

Terraria, SpaceChem, Sanctum, Dungeons of Dredmor, Frozen Synapse, The Path, Osmos, Nitronic Rush, Amnesia, Dwarf Fortress, Mount and Blade, Defcon, To the Moon

cain006

The sad thing is, a lot of them have that cheap indie feel to them. They have the ideas but lack the budget to do anything really spectacular. Back in the day games used to have both high budgets and creativity.

[QUOTE="RoccoHout"]

How does Red Alert 3 lack creativity? Or how does it even look remotely to RA1 and 2? The game is entirely different, with a huge but somewhat cartoony graphic update and an entirely new race.

cyborg100000

What's more creative - coming up with a new IP with a refreshing new story, new gameplay, new soundtrack and new ideas; or sticking to a game made nearly two decades ago, needlessly dragging out its story and doing little new except add on co-op? It's the fact that devs are clinging on to past ideas (i.e. Gearbox's new Alien game - same tired old franchise) and not inventing their own.

Man you completly have same point of view like me.

The problem is those games dont sell. People buy repetitive, easy to master games not complex ones. Strategy games sell very poorly becasue people dont want to spend time learning it as if everybody has attention deficit disorder.

tanerb

Or they have lives and don't have time to learn complex games. Quite right too, games are for enjoyment. Not a chore.

Get your head out of the mainstream for a bit and see what stuff smaller developers are working on.

Get your head out of the mainstream for a bit and see what stuff smaller developers are working on.

Wasdie

Hmmm any suggestion for me then, i know dozen of projets like Grim Dawn , Path of Exile etc... Kickstarter projects and rest.

Its the state of the mainstrem industry, one bad game tanks a studio now. Indie devs have put out some amazing games though.

People pay too much attention to a name and too little to the actual content.

They scream for innovation and new IPs and then they don't buy the games that deliver.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Get your head out of the mainstream for a bit and see what stuff smaller developers are working on.

Assimilat0r

Hmmm any suggestion for me then, i know dozen of projets like Grim Dawn , Path of Exile etc... Kickstarter projects and rest.

Check out upcoming games like Planetside 2, End of Nations, and Firefall. There is also Tribes Ascend already out. World of Tanks and soon World of Planes.

The great thing about all of these games I mentioned is they are free to play. Those are all pretty high-budget titles too.

There is also creativity in the mainstream. Max Payne 3 has some pretty impressive tech going on, Bioshock Infinite looks ot have some unique FPS gameplay, Guild Wars 2 could change MMOs.

I haven't even touched on the real small developers. Stuff from Paradox is a good place to start for that. Lots of cheap games on steam and humble bundles. There is a lot of creativity, you've just got to dig a bit.

Mainstream games have to sell, they can't take big risks. They are still very fun to play but they are going to lack that creativity you're looking for.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Get your head out of the mainstream for a bit and see what stuff smaller developers are working on.

Assimilat0r

Hmmm any suggestion for me then, i know dozen of projets like Grim Dawn , Path of Exile etc... Kickstarter projects and rest.

I am being tierd of those all new generic games ....Today games got all what they need except of creativity and uniqness. Call of Duty 9 sequels , Diablo 3 is for me Diablo 2.5 ,... Crisys 3 , Stronghold 3, Red Alert 3, GTA V , Heroes of Might and Magic VI , BF 3 , Dead Space 3 ,.... 3 new games came out in 1 year and 30 or more sequels dunno i am just sick of this generic reproduction new engine , same name , same theme, same story line ,,,,, Last games i was blown out were Dragon Age I , Kingdoms of Amalur,..... Your thoughts fellow GS members.

Assimilat0r

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]I don't see how somebody making such a thread can be blown away by a game like Kingdoms of Amalur, that is the most uninspired, mediocre, pointless game since, I'd say ever but it's right behind the worst game I ever played, Oblivion.Assimilat0r

Said a man who playing WoW most of his time.

I think you have to be in their position here.

Back in the good old days of the 90's and earlier, games were MUCH cheaper things to create. Guys in their garage could be considered studios and a game journalist could just call up a guy and talk to the creator.

Now its a MUCH bigger deal, WAY more money is poured into it, and there are more risks and avenues for failure then ever before. Like how Hollywood banks on predictable action flicks to make a crap ton of money, games rely on mainstream action games that don't deviate so they can maximize profits, since a game like Amnesia might be unique and amazing, but the terrifying and different nature of it compared to, say, the more shoot happy, less puzzling Dead Space series means that it wouldn't be possible if it wasn't a self funded indie title, since big publishers don't want to pour a bunch of money in to not see amazing returns or have a potential flop.

Some companies do try though, Sony seems to publish some pretty great games like Journey and Heavy Rain, while Rockstar really pushes limits with what they try (I mean, they made a damn western game, a risky proposition that paid off BIG time), and don't forget indie developers. Of course Valve and their bar raising with games like Portal and Left 4 Dead also deserve a mention.

Lots of games lack creativity, but with the boom in gaming this also means a lot of great games to choose from that might actually be damn creative.

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]I don't see how somebody making such a thread can be blown away by a game like Kingdoms of Amalur, that is the most uninspired, mediocre, pointless game since, I'd say ever but it's right behind the worst game I ever played, Oblivion.-Unreal-

Said a man who playing WoW most of his time.

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Said a man who playing WoW most of his time.

KHAndAnime

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Get your head out of the mainstream for a bit and see what stuff smaller developers are working on.

Wasdie

Hmmm any suggestion for me then, i know dozen of projets like Grim Dawn , Path of Exile etc... Kickstarter projects and rest.

Check out upcoming games like Planetside 2, End of Nations, and Firefall. There is also Tribes Ascend already out. World of Tanks and soon World of Planes.

Don't play what other people think is good.

Play what your heart wants.

Alot of people got Diablo 3 just because it was Diablo 3.

But they don't feel like playing it and go "this sucks."

No it doesn't suck, you just aren't in the mood to play it.

Play what you're in the mood for.

I am being tierd of those all new generic games ....Today games got all what they need except of creativity and uniqness. Call of Duty 9 sequels , Diablo 3 is for me Diablo 2.5 ,... Crisys 3 , Stronghold 3, Red Alert 3, GTA V , Heroes of Might and Magic VI , BF 3 , Dead Space 3 ,.... 3 new games came out in 1 year and 30 or more sequels dunno i am just sick of this generic reproduction new engine , same name , same theme, same story line ,,,,, Last games i was blown out were Dragon Age I , Kingdoms of Amalur,..... Your thoughts fellow GS members.

Assimilat0r

How the hell can you say you were blow away by that medicore,not to say crappy, game like Kindoms of Amalur???

And what the hell are you talking about GTA V a game you have no clue about???If i were to question you right now about the logo of GTA V you would be even able to say how it looks like...but the game is generic...

I agree. I'm finding it more and more difficult to finish games. I tried AC Revelations, Batman AC and LA Noire in the past few weeks and uninstalled them all about halfway through. I'll be starting Max Payne 3 later so hopefully I will finish it.couly

If you found Batman AC dificult to finish...i doubt you will be able to finish Max Payne 3...

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Get your head out of the mainstream for a bit and see what stuff smaller developers are working on.

Wasdie

Hmmm any suggestion for me then, i know dozen of projets like Grim Dawn , Path of Exile etc... Kickstarter projects and rest.

Check out upcoming games like Planetside 2, End of Nations, and Firefall. There is also Tribes Ascend already out. World of Tanks and soon World of Planes.

The great thing about all of these games I mentioned is they are free to play. Those are all pretty high-budget titles too.

There is also creativity in the mainstream. Max Payne 3 has some pretty impressive tech going on, Bioshock Infinite looks ot have some unique FPS gameplay, Guild Wars 2 could change MMOs.

I haven't even touched on the real small developers. Stuff from Paradox is a good place to start for that. Lots of cheap games on steam and humble bundles. There is a lot of creativity, you've just got to dig a bit.

Mainstream games have to sell, they can't take big risks. They are still very fun to play but they are going to lack that creativity you're looking for.

Waiting for Planetside 2, Alpha Tester of EoN, Played world of tanks , and playing tribes of ascend. Going to inspect Max Payne 3 maybe even to buy. Dunno most of my friends saying its good.

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] And what does that have to do with Blizzard's lack of creativity? :PKHAndAnime

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="DanielDust"] Nothing, they're some the most creative high profile developers around. " :P "-Unreal-

Lol, Blizzard is everything but innovative. Everything from design, lore and even gameplay is "inspired" by other titles - and then polished to ultimate awesomeness.

Total War doesn't disappoint.

Many mainstream games do, blame not only the publishers and devs but also the consumers!

Many mainstream games do, blame not only the publishers and devs but also the consumers!

mitu123

I completely blame the consumer. If people didn't reward the lack of creativity and vision with 6 million units sold in 3 days then developers and publishers would be forced to mix things up a little more. As it is, consumers turn average, rehashed, but well-polished crap into barnstorming best sellers. Why would any developer or publisher change the formula when the dupes continue buying into it?

Vote with your wallet if you want to see things actually change.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Many mainstream games do, blame not only the publishers and devs but also the consumers!

-wildflower-

I completely blame the consumer. If people didn't reward the lack of creativity and vision with 6 million units sold in 3 days then developers and publishers would be forced to mix things up a little more. As it is, consumers turn average, rehashed, but well-polished crap into barnstorming best sellers. Why would any developer or publisher change the formula when the dupes continue buying into it?

Vote with your wallet if you want to see things actually change.

The problem is you have to actually play games to figure out if they're good or not.

The constant volume of games makes it difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Blame Publishers and HQs that always deny designers the ability to try new things. They don't want to try new things too often mostly due to the fact that they are uncertain if it will bring in money for the company so they vote against it.

Of course there are some dev teams that have found a nice combination of features and saw that they got lots of sales from it so they are wary of straying away from that combination and incorporate little to no improvements on their new games and tend to not release new IPs.

So ya, lots of games coming from big time companies aren't the most creative games out there... If you want creativity, then Indie games are where they are at. Not all of them of course, since most indies just copy a game but slap on a new art style to it or something. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the ones that break away from the common gameplay mechanics and use new mechanics or revamp something that gives it a fresh new feel to it.

trastamad03

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Many mainstream games do, blame not only the publishers and devs but also the consumers!

-wildflower-

I completely blame the consumer. If people didn't reward the lack of creativity and vision with 6 million units sold in 3 days then developers and publishers would be forced to mix things up a little more. As it is, consumers turn average, rehashed, but well-polished crap into barnstorming best sellers. Why would any developer or publisher change the formula when the dupes continue buying into it?

Vote with your wallet if you want to see things actually change.

Well thats a great comment/response...it suprises me that it comes from you...
Anyhow...can you name me a game that is the complete opposite/opposable to Diablo 3(6 million units sold in 3 days,) and i dont mean sales here...i mean a game that dosent lack in creativity and vision it isnt average(i didnt understand average in what department? or as a whole?) or rehashed but god awful-polished piece of cake???

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Many mainstream games do, blame not only the publishers and devs but also the consumers!

rhazzy

I completely blame the consumer. If people didn't reward the lack of creativity and vision with 6 million units sold in 3 days then developers and publishers would be forced to mix things up a little more. As it is, consumers turn average, rehashed, but well-polished crap into barnstorming best sellers. Why would any developer or publisher change the formula when the dupes continue buying into it?

Vote with your wallet if you want to see things actually change.

Well thats a great comment/response...it suprises me that it comes from you...
Anyhow...can you name me a game that is the complete opposite/opposable to Diablo 3(6 million units sold in 3 days,) and i dont mean sales here...i mean a game that dosent lack in creativity and vision it isnt average(i didnt understand average in what department? or as a whole?) or rehashed but god awful-polished piece of cake???

This thread is exactly what I keep seeing people talking about all the time on this forum and in effect is what a game that recently launched a Kickstarter Campaign is all about. I posted about Ground Branch which breaks the mold for Tac-Sims nowadays. Based on the CIA's Special Activities Division, there is no balanced weapons (an former Green Beret talks about that) and no regenerating health (recently written about here on GameSpot). Gamers carry what they need for the mission equipment wise and you don't have to worry about unlocks or perks ruining gameplay.

Those of you who want something different would do yourselves a favor by checking out Ground Branch. It is being created by the former lead level designer from the GOTY winning Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon as well as R6's sequel Rogue Spear. GB is a mix of both R6 and GR an dunlike some KS campaigns, there is content, not just a pitch to create a game.