Greatest RPG (The real one)

yes. good follow-up. i think ultima deserves mention (it seems too many people forgot this series), but i'd have to go with bg2.fireandcloud

Ya I was thinking of putting it up instead of KOTOR, but the fact that it's so old means that most people voting probably have never played an ultima game in their life(Sadly I'm part of that group)

[QUOTE="fireandcloud"]yes. good follow-up. i think ultima deserves mention (it seems too many people forgot this series), but i'd have to go with bg2.onemic

Ya I was thinking of putting it up instead of KOTOR, but the fact that it's so old means that most people voting probably have never played an ultima game in their life(Sadly I'm part of that group)

i'm just glad you didn't put oblivion up there! lol.

the poll function is just too limiting on gamespot. they should allow up to 10. good choices overall, though. i love every single one of the games, especially bg2 and fallout 1 & 2. gosh, i love talking about the classics. :)

the poll function is just too limiting on gamespot. they should allow up to 10.fireandcloud

I couldn't agree more. I like making poll topics, but sometimes the ones I want to make aren't as good as they could be due to how I have to either slim down or broaden the scope of the choices. I wonder where we can go to give suggestions to Gamespot about things like that.

Man I'm bookmarking this thread just so I can buy those games and catch up on everything I've missed.ElArab

You have to bookmark the titles in the "RPG-fan Bible"? You infidel... Just kidding :P (Saw your avatar pic).

I have to say that I lost a good chunk of my life to Diablo I and II. I was a Blizzard fanboy back in the day, but all the same... those two hold a warm fuzzy place in my heart when it comes to rpgs

[QUOTE="ElArab"]Man I'm bookmarking this thread just so I can buy those games and catch up on everything I've missed.artur79

You have to bookmark the titles in the "RPG-fan Bible"? You infidel... Just kidding :P (Saw your avatar pic).

Lol, no offense taken, I made that pic. simply because I make fun of myself constantly.

Yes though, it's true lol, because I hear so much about these games and I know they are old, but I grew up in that generation, and I want to know why the hell I missed these games!

I have to say that I lost a good chunk of my life to Diablo I and II. I was a Blizzard fanboy back in the day, but all the same... those two hold a warm fuzzy place in my heart when it comes to rpgs

monkeyhore

Yeah, but those are not RPGs...

I voted Planescape: Torment, the BEST CRPG ever. But my FAVORITE game of all time is BG2 (+ ToB)

I spent a good chunk of my life playing Ultima 7. But at the end of the day - you're the avatar.

I started playing that after I got out of the army in 1990 or 91.

But I've never dug deeper into my 'role' than in Oblivion. In the main story you facilitate the greater story, but you're not the focus of it, which allows you to be anything in the larger world. And you could just go hiking and pick flowers, because sometimes that's all I wanted to do and it was great. And when I was done being a botanist I could check out a new dungeon, mine, or shrine I'd never knew existed and stealth my way through it, hack my way through it, or fireball/lightning blast my way through it; or ignore it entirely and keep picking flowers (and thereby build my alchemy skill.)

So don't act like Oblivion is some pariah's RPG. It's wide open and any linear game is less an RPG versus the Elder Scroll games.

Oblivion really isn't that great a game for many reasons. AS an RPG it's not that god in comparison to other PC RPG's and as an action adventure it pretty much falls flat on its face. The only good thing Oblivion really has going for it is the fact that you're in a huge world, but then again that effect sort of wears off after a few hours into the game and then you realize how shallow he game really is. onemic

So true! I had great first impressions for Oblivion, and then I realized how bad it was like, less then halfway through it.

i said BG, but really all the forgotten realms games are amazing, like icewind dale and nwn.

Diablo is good also because of the huge array of items you can find

Well if I were a prisoner, let's say - a Non-Free-Range Chicken, well if I just sort of felt boxed in and caged, I don't think I'd want to plod from one cell block to the next - just clear the field and negotiate the maze and move on to the next, very chore like, I think instead I'd really friggin dig the wide open Who Do You Want to BE Today-ness of Oblivion.

I'd rather sit in a bar and get snockered on skuuma in Oblivion, than ride the next linear bioBware tram-a-thon.

I spent a good chunk of my life playing Ultima 7. But at the end of the day - you're the avatar.

I started playing that after I got out of the army in 1990 or 91.

But I've never dug deeper into my 'role' than in Oblivion. In the main story you facilitate the greater story, but you're not the focus of it, which allows you to be anything in the larger world. And you could just go hiking and pick flowers, because sometimes that's all I wanted to do and it was great. And when I was done being a botanist I could check out a new dungeon, mine, or shrine I'd never knew existed and stealth my way through it, hack my way through it, or fireball/lightning blast my way through it; or ignore it entirely and keep picking flowers (and thereby build my alchemy skill.)

So don't act like Oblivion is some pariah's RPG. It's wide open and any linear game is less an RPG versus the Elder Scroll games.

madman23

You should play Morrowind... That game is the reason so many people think that Oblivion is a "dumbed down" action RPG. Morrowind is all that Oblivion is + much, much more. Too bad people care more about graphics and voice acting than deep customization of your char and a complex world where you don't have leveled loot and enemies wearing the same things you wear.

Artur, I agree. I played the Morrowind to the hilt. I've big gripes against Oblivion too.

But I played Torment and Baldur's Gate (Just the 1st one) and Icewind Dale, and Neverwinter.

I loved the dialogue. That's the strong point in all of BioBware's games is the convincing dialogue. I wish the Elder Scrolls games had it! But Bio's games are to linear for me.

Is there another genre out there? Wide Open Role Playing Game (as in Elder Scrolls)

vs. the BioBware Negotiate the Maze Role Playing Game (NMRPG)???

Artur, I agree. I played the Morrowind to the hilt. I've big gripes against Oblivion too.

But I played Torment and Baldur's Gate (Just the 1st one) and Icewind Dale, and Neverwinter.

I loved the dialogue. That's the strong point in all of BioBware's games is the convincing dialogue. I wish the Elder Scrolls games had it! But Bio's games are to linear for me.

Is there another genre out there? Wide Open Role Playing Game (as in Elder Scrolls)

vs. the BioBware Negotiate the Maze Role Playing Game (NMRPG)???

madman23

FALLOUT 1,2 is the answer for you. You can go wherever you want and do anything you want.

Artur, I agree. I played the Morrowind to the hilt. I've big gripes against Oblivion too.

But I played Torment and Baldur's Gate (Just the 1st one) and Icewind Dale, and Neverwinter.

I loved the dialogue. That's the strong point in all of BioBware's games is the convincing dialogue. I wish the Elder Scrolls games had it! But Bio's games are to linear for me.

Is there another genre out there? Wide Open Role Playing Game (as in Elder Scrolls)

vs. the BioBware Negotiate the Maze Role Playing Game (NMRPG)???

madman23

I love ME, facial expessions and the dialog are fantastic, try that game. Oblivion lacks great voice acting AND great face animations. Instead of having half-assed attempts at human emotions and expressions, I'd like to use my imagination, thank you very much. That's why older RPGs are still great, imagination and great story are powerfull tools. They are like books, imagination never gets old (not comparing games to books though, as I think books are >>>>>>>> games any day when it comes to great stories and intelligent writers...).

Is there another genre out there? Wide Open Role Playing Game (as in Elder Scrolls)

vs. the BioBware Negotiate the Maze Role Playing Game (NMRPG)???

madman23

I lol'd because its so true, and thats coming from a Bioware-game lover...except NWN2...don't even get me started...

Overall, I voted for Fallout, cause F2 was the first game I remember playing that I could lvl up sex ability seperately from everything else...and cause I loved punching people for 80 damage and having their heads dissolve...

[QUOTE="madman23"]

Artur, I agree. I played the Morrowind to the hilt. I've big gripes against Oblivion too.

But I played Torment and Baldur's Gate (Just the 1st one) and Icewind Dale, and Neverwinter.

I loved the dialogue. That's the strong point in all of BioBware's games is the convincing dialogue. I wish the Elder Scrolls games had it! But Bio's games are to linear for me.

Is there another genre out there? Wide Open Role Playing Game (as in Elder Scrolls)

vs. the BioBware Negotiate the Maze Role Playing Game (NMRPG)???

dykunas

FALLOUT 1,2 is the answer for you. You can go wherever you want and do anything you want.

Although I agree with you, it's sad to see that some of the NPCs are exactly the same as some of the other NPCs and even worse, someone of your followers (I'm talking about appearances). As much as I respect F 1 & 2, I think this is somewhat distracting when it comes to "immersion" (yeah, you heard me, I used a buzz-word). Any mods would be welcome...

Well if I were a prisoner, let's say - a Non-Free-Range Chicken, well if I just sort of felt boxed in and caged, I don't think I'd want to plod from one cell block to the next - just clear the field and negotiate the maze and move on to the next, very chore like, I think instead I'd really friggin dig the wide open Who Do You Want to BE Today-ness of Oblivion.

I'd rather sit in a bar and get snockered on skuuma in Oblivion, than ride the next linear bioBware tram-a-thon.

madman23

So you would want to have a big world in a game despite:

-The game having a crappy RPG feel(Leveling up, to character emotion)

-Bad story

-Bad combat mechanics

-A generic looking open world

IF you said yes to all these things you're beyond saving. Like I said before the whole open world feel is good for a while.....And then somewhere down the line after a few hours of playing you realize that in terms of gameplay, oblivion just doesn't have much going for it. At least play morrowind as that had a big world and good RPG mechanics Along with a decent story and a pretty unique game world.(Although the combat was worse)

The witcher.

Intel Core 2 Quad 6600 CPU
WD Raptor HDD
OCZ 700 watts peak PSU
2x 8800 GT 512 MB in SLI
4 GB Crucial ballistics RAM
ASUS P5N32 E SLI MB w/beta bios
Audigy 2 soundblaster w/optical to reciever
24" Dell widescreen at 1920 x 1600
Running on Vista 32-bit

Come out and play!

Baldurs Gate 2 for me. Fallout series comes very close.

Why I think Oblivion is overrated...

Story is half arse

Dungeon design is nearly non existent

Combat mechanics is shallow and too easy

Great idea but poorly executed leveling system

Terrible AI

Terrible NPC mechanics (walk against the walls more plz)

Generic art direction

Terrible loot design (glass armor? big laugh!)

Inefficient graphic engine - frame rate is the same if I am filling the screen with a wall or 3 big enemies - like WTF. Learn to clip please!

Repetitive everything - caves, NPC, voice, location, everything, Oblivion gates

Rediculous NPC behaviors

I admire Obivion for what it tries to be - an truly epic open ended RPG. However, Bethesda bit off more than they can chew since the game sacrificed a lot to be that big.

I give it an 8/10. Most of that is for ambition and not actual results.

Of course it's Planescape: Torment. Personally, I think that if your answer was anything else, you should probably be reevaluating your definition of a cRPG. It had an amazing story, a unique setting, interesting and one of a kind characters, and gave you a range of ways to play your character. What more could you ask for?Alaris83

Decent combat system.... I think they should have went with the Fallout turnbased-system, then it would have been perfect

i vote SW:Knights of the republic.

well my friend told me that this is a good game...

so i voted..

i vote SW:Knights of the republic.

well my friend told me that this is a good game...

so i voted..

TiberiumMember

Your friend should tell you to jump out of a building

Of course it's Planescape: Torment. Personally, I think that if your answer was anything else, you should probably be reevaluating your definition of a cRPG. It had an amazing story, a unique setting, interesting and one of a kind characters, and gave you a range of ways to play your character. What more could you ask for?Alaris83

Better combat and art design as well as gameplay tweaks and changes. A more clear indication of what's useful and what isn't as well as better journal/quest inferface to keep track of em all to name a few things I'd ask for. The story in Planescape: Torment is undoubtedly the absolute best out there and all the characters are amazingly well done... but everything else about the game is pretty heavily flawed. I love Planescape, I really do, among my favorite games... but it's got it's problems that not even I can overlook.

My vote went to Baldur's Gate. While the story wasn't as good as Planescape, it was and still is the full rpg package! Great story and interesting companions, tons of replayability and freedom within the games world as well as a plethora of sidequests and missions, excellent visuals and finally fun tactical combat! It's got it all! And while it doesn't really excell in any one area, it does everything so well that it's hard to fault it for being only second best sometimes.

This thread could be worth a look at?

http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25575988

The Witcher
Wasteland and Wizardry
Vampire: Bloodlines
ultima
Knight of the old republic
fallout 1 & 2
Planescape: Torment
Diablo 1 & 2
baldurs gate 1 & 2
ToB
Oblivion
Icewind dale
Neverwinter nights 1 & 2
Fallout 1 & 2
Jade Empire