Greatest RPG (The real one)

How are the baldurs gate series? I may want to buy them cus I know were I can get them very cheap. And how is icewind dale? I can buy them to very cheap?stenfisk

buy bg series right now. icewind dale is similar in style but it's more action-oriented. not as deep nor as realized a world as bg. if you can get both series for cheap, get them both.

Well if I were a prisoner, let's say - a Non-Free-Range Chicken, well if I just sort of felt boxed in and caged, I don't think I'd want to plod from one cell block to the next - just clear the field and negotiate the maze and move on to the next, very chore like, I think instead I'd really friggin dig the wide open Who Do You Want to BE Today-ness of Oblivion.

I'd rather sit in a bar and get snockered on skuuma in Oblivion, than ride the next linear bioBware tram-a-thon.

madman23

Lol! Compared to Morrowind, Oblivion is the tram-a-thon. And please, Bioware/Black-isle's older RPG's trample over Oblivion...

Oblivion, though KOTOR was better for the time it lasts. Cobra_nVidia

personally im a big fan of Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2

I voted Torment. Although Fallout 1 may be a better rpg all around the story and characters of torment are far better than anything any other rpg has to offer.

By the way, I really don't think Kotor should be in the poll along with all those great rpgs. I believe noone who played Baldur's Gate 2 and Fallout 1 when they came out would consider Kotor good enough to be compaired with them. If you wanted to have a modern day rpg as an option I'd suggest The Witcher or Mask of the Betrayer.

I voted KOTOR simply because I never had the pleasure of playing some of the older RPGs back in their prime. Though I do remember KOTOR being a very memorable experience.

I agree about Oblivion being overrated. To say it's not linear is wrong... when in fact it very much is. The only difference is that the game places you in a big ole sandbox which really isn't all that interesting to look at. I foud myself using the fast travel features more often than not. However, the story was weak, and you never had much control as to how you could effect it. Dialogue was by far the worse feature, and I thought the lack of companions and characters that you could really grab onto made the world feel pretty lonely too. Dungeons and Oblivion Gates were pretty repetitive, in fact some had the exact same layout. Combat wasn't all that fun either, overall the game was extremely shallow. The only good part about Oblivion IMO are its mods.

The witcher is my pick

How the Hell can KOTOR have more votes than BG2?gozalo

You underestimate the Jedi nerds - they would buy a 2 inch USB cable if you put the word Jedi in front of it :)

Seriously, KotOR is so not even on the same level as Fallout and BG.

How the Hell can KOTOR have more votes than BG2?gozalo

Simple. Most of the people on these boards haven't played BG2, fallout, or planescape. I used to be one of those people until I actually went and tried it.(Fallout and BG specifically) Best thing I ever could have done.

[QUOTE="gozalo"]How the Hell can KOTOR have more votes than BG2?crimsonfilms

You underestimate the Jedi nerds - they would buy a 2 inch USB cable if you put the word Jedi in front of it :)

Seriously, KotOR is so not even on the same level as Fallout and BG.

i think it's because kotor and kotor 2 are newer. the younguns haven't experienced the wonders of true rpgs like bg2, fallout 1 & 2, and planescape: torment.

i think it's because kotor and kotor 2 are newer. the younguns haven't experienced the wonders of true rpgs like bg2, fallout 1 & 2, and planescape: torment.

fireandcloud

any poll here reflects more the characteristics of GS users than quality of games. Though this is proabably among the best RPG-related poll list I've seen.

yet, I have to say, what *true* RPG is eventually is about gamer's personal preference. I myself of course Torment-BG type. But there are people only like lvling up and loots (Diablo) and free-roaming(Oblivion). for them, *RPG* means something else from mine.

also, there's the 3D-thing: any 2D and text-base game, for certain young gamers, is just too "yesterday" and doesn't even worth playing only because it's 2D and demands reading. and there's "why can't I jump or climb?" thing~~ These things I guess, are not about game genre but about what they conceive as basic requirement for all games.

Knights of the Old Republic gets my vote. To all those saying it can't compete with the other choices here, although it may be newer you have to agree it is a masterpiece in its own right.Lazdude

to say anything is a *masterpiece* requires comparison. if considered anything on its own right, there's no need to say it's good or bad since we'd have no need to concern whether it's better or worse than anything else.

well, it's all about personal opinion and sentiment. You just feel KotOR is better or at least as good as classical D&D games.

KotOR does mean something special to me: at its release, it provided the most geniune D&D game experience since BG2, and it's even better than the BG-ish/ForgottenrealmNWN2 (Mask of Betrayal is different though). However,I do agree that KotOR isn't at the same level as Torment, BG and Fallout.

narrative-character depth-wiseit's pale (as any game is) compared to Torment.Character-developing wise, it lacks diversity compared to BGs and Fallouts. Open-ended gameplay-wise, its main and side quests aren't as subtle and delicate (=too obvious) thanTorment-BG-Fallout.

all these been said, well, I do think KotOR is a GOOD game, great effort from the dev (some doubts about its originality notwithstanding): saying a game is not as good as some all-time greats sometimes means that it's far better than most of other games around.

[QUOTE="madman23"]Is there another genre out there? Wide Open Role Playing Game (as in Elder Scrolls)

vs. the BioBware Negotiate the Maze Role Playing Game (NMRPG)???

TH3_1NF1D3L

I lol'd because its so true, and thats coming from a Bioware-game lover...except NWN2...don't even get me started...

Overall, I voted for Fallout, cause F2 was the first game I remember playing that I could lvl up sex ability seperately from everything else...and cause I loved punching people for 80 damage and having their heads dissolve...

I hate to nitpick, but NWN2 was NOT BioWare. Some of their staff did help answer questions and such that the folks at Obsidian had, but that's about it. NWN2 was all Obsidian Entertainment. The same people that did KoTOR II. Which also did not live up to its BioWare predecessor. Once again, sorry, but this kind of thing really gets my goat. Same with people that trash iD saying that Quake IV was lackluster. Maybe it was (I thought it was quite fun actually), but iD didn't make the damn thing. Raven did.

[QUOTE="crimsonfilms"]

[QUOTE="gozalo"]How the Hell can KOTOR have more votes than BG2?fireandcloud

You underestimate the Jedi nerds - they would buy a 2 inch USB cable if you put the word Jedi in front of it :)

Seriously, KotOR is so not even on the same level as Fallout and BG.

i think it's because kotor and kotor 2 are newer. the younguns haven't experienced the wonders of true rpgs like bg2, fallout 1 & 2, and planescape: torment.

Very true. I love KoTOR a lot. I still have it on my computer and I actually played through it, yet again, about 2 weeks ago. However, it in no way measures up to Baldurs Gate II. I hadn't played BG2 in a long time, so I installed it and played through it (yet again) about 8 months ago. I was surprised at how it stands the test of time. Yeah the graphics are old, with 2D sprite images, but is is excellent where it counts andf the graphics really aren't that bad. The dialog is incredibly well done, the pacing and the plot are awesome. And there's plenty of sidequests and easter eggs. Honestly, I don't think any other RPG will ever be able to surpase it. Though I'm hoping Dragon Age will give it a good run for that coveted crown.

Another thing I am surprised about: Sam Adams' Cranberry Lambic is quite good. It reminds me of a good blush wine and the peach esters give it a very full fruity bouquet with a bit of wheat and crystal malt backbone. Delicious!

[QUOTE="TH3_1NF1D3L"][QUOTE="madman23"]Is there another genre out there? Wide Open Role Playing Game (as in Elder Scrolls)

vs. the BioBware Negotiate the Maze Role Playing Game (NMRPG)???

BewilderedRonin

I lol'd because its so true, and thats coming from a Bioware-game lover...except NWN2...don't even get me started...

Overall, I voted for Fallout, cause F2 was the first game I remember playing that I could lvl up sex ability seperately from everything else...and cause I loved punching people for 80 damage and having their heads dissolve...

[QUOTE="crimsonfilms"]

[QUOTE="gozalo"]How the Hell can KOTOR have more votes than BG2?fireandcloud

You underestimate the Jedi nerds - they would buy a 2 inch USB cable if you put the word Jedi in front of it :)

Seriously, KotOR is so not even on the same level as Fallout and BG.

i think it's because kotor and kotor 2 are newer. the younguns haven't experienced the wonders of true rpgs like bg2, fallout 1 & 2, and planescape: torment.

Another thing I am surprised about: Sam Adams' Cranberry Lambic is quite good. It reminds me of a good blush wine and the peach esters give it a very full fruity bouquet with a bit of wheat and crystal malt backbone. Delicious!

KOTOR 2 and NWN2 were pretty much better than their predecessors in almost all respects.(Exceptions being KOTOR 2's ending and NWN 2's bad camera and sometimes finicky AI)

KOTOR 2 and NWN2 were pretty much better than their predecessors in almost all respects.(Exceptions being KOTOR 2's story and NWN 2's bad camera and sometimes finicky AI)

onemic

I dunno. I mean, KoTOR II had some excellent high points, especially being able to become a Jedi Master or Sith Lord and do some epic leveling. But (as you mentioned) the story kind of failed.

I don't know why so many people trash NWN2. I actually liked NWN2 a lot. There were some qualms for me (mostly the toolset and being somewhat lackluster on the visual customization). Where I think NWN2 didn't do as well is the pacing of the story. NOt to mention that it sometimes seemed forced. Many people trashed NWN's storyline, but I thought it was much better than NWN2's. Though, I must say that NWN2's inter-party dialogs were much better. Highly stereotyped, but entertaining and made me laugh out loud quite a few times. Oh, and I don't care what anyone says, NWN2 looks absolutely stunning. I don't know why people try and compare it to Oblivion, which had much larger sprites and could, ergo, have more detailed textures.

I liked Kotor 2 much more than Kotor 1, surprisingly for it's story and characters (which many people seem to not like). However it is apparent that it's an incomplete game. Perhaps when the mod that will restore much of the original planed content is finished the game will be much better.

As for Neverwinter Nights, the OC of NWN1 was terrible. Just a stupid adventure to sell along with the construction set. The first expansion was better (although all in all not that good). They didn't have to make a whole new game, just use the engine and just add a few features so it was easier to focus on the content. Then came Hordes of the Underdark. Although most of it is dungeon crawling it has some great moments. Especially the last part reminded me of Torment, with the Sleeping Man and the Knower of Names. HoU was a very good game.

A few years later came Neverwinter Nights 2 by obsidian. Like Kotor 2 it felt like they didn't have the time to do the game as they would have liked. The akward camera, the bugs, the low performance even at high end systems and some not so good design choices like the orc cave or the warehouse plagued the game. Even with all these, however, I believe it was years ahead of the NWN1 OC and even better than Shadows of Underdine. Imho it was worse than HoU though. However if you play it today on a 8800 GT and you apply the latest patch you may form a very different opinion about the game than if you played it when it was released. The game runs very smoothly (even at my old 6600gt) and the camera modes are much improved. If you use the strategy mode camera you can almost play the game like BG.

Then about a year after the release of NWN2 came the first expansion, Mask of the Betrayer. This game shows that Obsidian learned from their mistakes. The game feels complete, polished and it runs much better than the OC. This is not the place to talk about the story etc, I'll just say that it has all the makings of a classic and there are many who have compaired it with Torment. A warning though, it seems to try to appeal to a more hardcore rpg fanbase than any of the other Neverwinter Nights games with features like the Spirit Meter, limitation to resting, tons of choices and consequences that you feel later in the game.

If I had to chose the best RPG of the last five years it would probably be The Witcher but followed closely by Mask of the Betrayer, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, the Gothic series and perhaps Morrowind. (As for Oblivion I think it's a decent rpg compaired to most of the games that come out nowadays but it was a great dissapointment as it is worse than Morrowind and it seems Bethesda dumbed it down to appeal to FPS and console fans. Plus it's probably the most overhyped game of all time).

Well for me it has to be either

Deus Ex series

or

Diablo

Those two I had the most fun playing...

Knights of the Old Republic gets my vote. To all those saying it can't compete with the other choices here, although it may be newer you have to agree it is a masterpiece in its own right.Lazdude

No.

Absolutely Planescape: Torment

Great story, facinating characters (gotta love Morte), and some unique gameplay elements.

FallOut 1 & 2 comes a close second to it though.