Grim Dawn Alpha Build is far better than Diablo 3

Really there is no comparison. Gameplay, graphics, and even physical effects are far better in Grim Dawn Alpha Build than Diablo 3. Grim Dawn looks much more real, dark, and gritty with much better atmosphere than Diablo 3. After playing both, I can't see a single thing that is better about Diablo 3. And Grim Dawn Alpha Build is only Act 1 of the game. When the entire game is released, Grim Dawn will no doubt be one of the greatest top-down-view Action RPGs ever made!

When the entire game is released, Grim Dawn will no doubt be one of the greatest top-down-view Action RPGs ever made!

Baurus_1

Famous last words.

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When the entire game is released, Grim Dawn will no doubt be one of the greatest top-down-view Action RPGs ever made!

Baranga

Famous last words.

Yup. Never heard X "will be the greatest game ever made" before. :roll:

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[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

When the entire game is released, Grim Dawn will no doubt be one of the greatest top-down-view Action RPGs ever made!

Cwagmire21

Famous last words.

Yup. Never heard X "will be the greatest game ever made" before. :roll:

Well any thing is better than diablo three an these guys created titan quest..So in a way hes right..Lmao Even vanhelsing i think is better than diablo 3..Much funner game any how

Really there is no comparison. Gameplay, graphics, and even physical effects are far better in Grim Dawn Alpha Build than Diablo 3. Grim Dawn looks much more real, dark, and gritty with much better atmosphere than Diablo 3. After playing both, I can't see a single thing that is better about Diablo 3. And Grim Dawn Alpha Build is only Act 1 of the game. When the entire game is released, Grim Dawn will no doubt be one of the greatest top-down-view Action RPGs ever made!

Baurus_1

[QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

Really there is no comparison. Gameplay, graphics, and even physical effects are far better in Grim Dawn Alpha Build than Diablo 3. Grim Dawn looks much more real, dark, and gritty with much better atmosphere than Diablo 3. After playing both, I can't see a single thing that is better about Diablo 3. And Grim Dawn Alpha Build is only Act 1 of the game. When the entire game is released, Grim Dawn will no doubt be one of the greatest top-down-view Action RPGs ever made!

FelipeInside

Say it right felipe world of warcrap..

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Baurus_1"]

Really there is no comparison. Gameplay, graphics, and even physical effects are far better in Grim Dawn Alpha Build than Diablo 3. Grim Dawn looks much more real, dark, and gritty with much better atmosphere than Diablo 3. After playing both, I can't see a single thing that is better about Diablo 3. And Grim Dawn Alpha Build is only Act 1 of the game. When the entire game is released, Grim Dawn will no doubt be one of the greatest top-down-view Action RPGs ever made!

Gladestone1

Say it right felipe world of warcrap..

LOL. It ain't a bad game, I used to play it back in the day. I actually tried it again a few months back, but I like PvE, Exploration and Story and it's gotten stale on those aspects.

Games like GW2, SWTOR, The Secret World etc are better at those things now so I choose to play those.

Well to be fair, it's not a hard thing to do. :P But yeah, Grim Dawn is shaping up to be a great game.

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On a serious note: I love Diablo 1, 2, and 3; I love Titan Quest; I will problably love Grim Dawn; and I am thankful I live in a world where I can enjoy all of them.  

A shame some people force themselves to live in a world where they cannot.

I am looking forward to it. I just wish people weren't so combative with games. How about: "Grim Dawn alpha build is excellent"nutcrackr

If it doesn't force me to be on-line to play then it's already better than Diablo 3.

If it doesn't force me to be on-line to play then it's already better than Diablo 3.

-wildflower-

Even taking a morning number 2 with the newspaper is more entertaining than playing DIablo III.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

If it doesn't force me to be on-line to play then it's already better than Diablo 3.

FelipeInside

I think I've been fairly consistent on this point - I don't buy any game that requires me to be on-line (mmorpgs excluded).  Path of Exile is free, Diablo 3 is not; it costs $60.  When I spend money on something it is mine to use when, where, and how I see fit.  To add insult to injury, if what I've read is true, the upcoming console version of D3 will not require people to play their single-player games on-line nor will it have Blizzard's ill conceived real-money auction houses.

If it's good enough for the console players then why should we PC gamers accept anything less?

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

If it doesn't force me to be on-line to play then it's already better than Diablo 3.

-wildflower-

I think I've been fairly consistent on this point - I don't buy any game that requires me to be on-line (mmorpgs excluded).  Path of Exile is free, Diablo 3 is not; it costs $60.  When I spend money on something it is mine to do use when, where, and how I see fit.  To add insult to injury, if what I've read is true, the upcoming console version of D3 will not require people to play their single-player games on-line nor will it have Blizzard's ill conceived real-money auction houses.

If it's good enough for the console players then why should we PC gamers accept anything less?

I was wondering if it was any good.  Path of Exile is the best one since DII in my opinion.  With that said DIII was awesome while it lasted, then it got super boring when you hit Inferno and grind for gear.  Awful gear system between the AH and such.  They NEED to scrap the AH.

Even taking a morning number 2 with the newspaper is more entertaining than playing DIablo III.

ShimmerMan

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Even taking a morning number 2 with the newspaper is more entertaining than playing DIablo III.

Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Even taking a morning number 2 with the newspaper is more entertaining than playing DIablo III.

FelipeInside

I feel that the whole isometric, action RPG has just run its course. It's really limiting and frankly not that fun to play anymore. Diablo 2 was the last great. I haven't played one since that has come close.

As I said, it's just too limiting. Combat is too shallow, level design is severely limited, too much repetition, and overall it just has been done to death. 

It's not the fault of the developers but rather a fault of the genre. 

I feel that the whole isometric, action RPG has just run its course. It's really limiting and frankly not that fun to play anymore. Diablo 2 was the last great. I haven't played one since that has come close.

As I said, it's just too limiting. Combat is too shallow, level design is severely limited, too much repetition, and overall it just has been done to death. 

It's not the fault of the developers but rather a fault of the genre. 

Wasdie

I feel that the whole isometric, action RPG has just run its course. It's really limiting and frankly not that fun to play anymore. Diablo 2 was the last great. I haven't played one since that has come close.

As I said, it's just too limiting. Combat is too shallow, level design is severely limited, too much repetition, and overall it just has been done to death. 

It's not the fault of the developers but rather a fault of the genre. 

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Even taking a morning number 2 with the newspaper is more entertaining than playing DIablo III.

FelipeInside

Just the AH.. What about the ridiculous plot, the laughable voice acting. The watered down RPG mechanics and the WOW inspiried visuals. They turned DIablo into a tranvestite, I don't fully understand how they thought that would be a good idea. The last level has the players running through heaven with porn music in the background and Diablo screaming in a male/female tone about how awesome she is. The game is four hours long and they even give an achivement to the player for completing each act in under one hour. Online only, monitized Auction house, no PVP... lol.

I feel that the whole isometric, action RPG has just run its course. It's really limiting and frankly not that fun to play anymore. Diablo 2 was the last great. I haven't played one since that has come close.

As I said, it's just too limiting. Combat is too shallow, level design is severely limited, too much repetition, and overall it just has been done to death.

It's not the fault of the developers but rather a fault of the genre.

Wasdie

Nope. The genre has plenty of life in it , look at games such as Bastion which are small time compared to Diablo III and yet are a great success because it's been made well. DIII was made crappy and they seemed to deliberetely sacrifice the quality of the game.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] Not sure about it being more entertaining, but it definitely feels better than paying $60 for Diablo 3.ShimmerMan

Just the AH.. What about the ridiculous plot, the laughable voice acting. The watered down RPG mechanics and the WOW inspiried visuals. They turned DIablo into a tranvestite, I don't fully understand how they thought that would be a good idea. The last level has the players running through heaven with porn music in the background and Diablo screaming in a male/female tone about how awesome she is. The game is four hours long and they even give an achivement to the player for completing each act in under one hour. Online only, monitized Auction house, no PVP... lol.

Yes, cause Diablo always had an award winning story plot and Oscar Performance Voice Acting...

Graphics were more WoW than Diablo, I agree.  It should of looked like Path of Exile.

Four hours long?  Where did u get that one from?  If u want to speed thru ANY game then yes...the game will be short.

Diablo 1 had a great story, it was a simple tale but it was probably one of the best for a video game of its genre. DII went more into the realm of fantasy and hocus pocus and DIII is just well w/e... It's a joke. And yes DIablo III is as short as anything, I completed each act in about 20 mins per act on my Demon Hunter. There's no puzzles or anything and they removed all the randomization from the dungeons, the dungeons are linear and easy to get through and so the game is very short.

Diablo 1 had a great story, it was a simple tale but it was probably one of the best for a video game of its genre. DII went more into the realm of fantasy and hocus pocus and DIII is just well w/e... It's a joke.

ShimmerMan

I feel that the whole isometric, action RPG has just run its course. It's really limiting and frankly not that fun to play anymore. Diablo 2 was the last great. I haven't played one since that has come close.

As I said, it's just too limiting. Combat is too shallow, level design is severely limited, too much repetition, and overall it just has been done to death. 

It's not the fault of the developers but rather a fault of the genre. 

Wasdie

And so is Path of Exile and Torchlight 2. What else is new?

That said, Diablo 3 is still fun. I still play it every now and again. I actually think the combat itself is among the best, if not  the  best in any top-down-view ARPG to date. It's just that the underlying systems have absolutely no depth, thus taking away player creativity in building/leveling a character, and destroying most replay value. Pretty much took the RPG right out of ARPG.

I feel that the whole isometric, action RPG has just run its course. It's really limiting and frankly not that fun to play anymore. Diablo 2 was the last great. I haven't played one since that has come close.

As I said, it's just too limiting. Combat is too shallow, level design is severely limited, too much repetition, and overall it just has been done to death. 

It's not the fault of the developers but rather a fault of the genre. 

Wasdie

Nox is still great fun last time I played it which was a few months ago.

Too bad we never got more games similar to it. Isometic Action RPGs do work, but they need to stop trying to play like Diablo. What should be done is making enemies more varied, add more fun and useful skills (no longer spam 2 skills to win) and make all dodges and blocks manual as opposed to RNG based.

Everything is better than D3 not just GD ... PoE is , Torchlight is , Torchlight 2 is , Diablo 2 is , Titan quest is , Baldurs gate is .... Diablo 3 has a long run to go to be "again" the king of action RPGs. And with this slow pace of patching ... maybe in 1,5 years

And so is Path of Exile and Torchlight 2. What else is new?

That said, Diablo 3 is still fun. I still play it every now and again. I actually think the combat itself is among the best, if not  the  best in any top-down-view ARPG to date. It's just that the underlying systems have absolutely no depth, thus taking away player creativity in building/leveling a character, and destroying most replay value. Pretty much took the RPG right out of ARPG.

the_bi99man

Actually, I think the Dark Alliance/Champions of Norrath games have the best gameplay out of the arpgs/loot whoring games.

At least you can manually block, aim at targets, use analog/wasd to move around...   Point & click works well for a tactical RPG,  but for arpgs like these...let me play it like an action game

It's alot better than torchlight2 and path of exile to imo. Was becoming bored with this genre lately but this one is a nice breath of fresh air, even early on.

Was dissapointed with TL2 and Van Helsing, but what ive played so far of the alpha gives me hope this genre can be revived again. Whichs doesn't realy surprise me as Titans Quest was the last great action rpg imo.

And so is Path of Exile and Torchlight 2. What else is new?

That said, Diablo 3 is still fun. I still play it every now and again. I actually think the combat itself is among the best, if not  the  best in any top-down-view ARPG to date. It's just that the underlying systems have absolutely no depth, thus taking away player creativity in building/leveling a character, and destroying most replay value. Pretty much took the RPG right out of ARPG.

the_bi99man

This, and the AH is a big issue.  I LOVED DIII for hours and hours until I reached inferno (I had multiple chars before reaching inferno thats why it took so long to see this) and realized the end game is just boring and shallow.  

I feel that the whole isometric, action RPG has just run its course. It's really limiting and frankly not that fun to play anymore. Diablo 2 was the last great. I haven't played one since that has come close.

As I said, it's just too limiting. Combat is too shallow, level design is severely limited, too much repetition, and overall it just has been done to death. 

It's not the fault of the developers but rather a fault of the genre. 

Wasdie

I think I've been afraid to admit this to myself :(

I really wanted to enjoy Torchlight and Torchlight 2, but just could not.  After beating Diablo 3, and toying with other characters, I have not touched it.  Titan Quest was fun for a while as well, but it takes way too long to play through.

I wonder if there is something new to do with the isometric presentation that is more than a gimmick.  It be nice to see some fresh air breathed into the subgenre without necessarily reinventing it.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I feel that the whole isometric, action RPG has just run its course. It's really limiting and frankly not that fun to play anymore. Diablo 2 was the last great. I haven't played one since that has come close.

As I said, it's just too limiting. Combat is too shallow, level design is severely limited, too much repetition, and overall it just has been done to death. 

It's not the fault of the developers but rather a fault of the genre. 

mrbojangles25

I think I've been afraid to admit this to myself :(

I really wanted to enjoy Torchlight and Torchlight 2, but just could not.  After beating Diablo 3, and toying with other characters, I have not touched it.  Titan Quest was fun for a while as well, but it takes way too long to play through.

I wonder if there is something new to do with the isometric presentation that is more than a gimmick.  It be nice to see some fresh air breathed into the subgenre without necessarily reinventing it.

Is the Grim Dawn Alpha closed, by the way? Is it possible to get in on it at this point? I would love to play it early, and contribute to shaping it. I was in the Path of Exile closed beta since over a year ago, and it's been a blast.

Is the Grim Dawn Alpha closed, by the way? Is it possible to get in on it at this point? I would love to play it early, and contribute to shaping it. I was in the Path of Exile closed beta since over a year ago, and it's been a blast.

the_bi99man

I like Path of Exile, but it's missing something. I can't seem to put my finger on what it is but it feels like it's incomplete.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Is the Grim Dawn Alpha closed, by the way? Is it possible to get in on it at this point? I would love to play it early, and contribute to shaping it. I was in the Path of Exile closed beta since over a year ago, and it's been a blast.

FelipeInside

I like Path of Exile, but it's missing something. I can't seem to put my finger on what it is but it feels like it's incomplete.

Well it is still in beta. :P 

But yeah, it's missing something. I think what it's missing is tight, responsive controls. Combat can still be pretty wonky/clunky at times. I hope that gets completely revamped/smoothed over before they decide it's ready and call it version 1.0. Also, the story isn't complete yet. Even with Act 3 in place (which wasn't there when I started playing the closed beta) it ends right in the middle of shit going down. I was talking to one of the developers on the global chat a while back, and he mentioned that there will be an Act 4 to complete the "base game", and then, after the full version release, they plan on a new act every year, going forward. Also, he said that after they released Act 3, they realized (as did most of the players) that Act 3 was just way better than the first two. So now they're also in the process of doing extensive redesigning of large portions of Act 1 and 2, to bring them up to the standard of Act 3, and the new versions of those will probably launch alongside Act 4. I can't wait to start a new character for that.

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Is the Grim Dawn Alpha closed, by the way? Is it possible to get in on it at this point? I would love to play it early, and contribute to shaping it. I was in the Path of Exile closed beta since over a year ago, and it's been a blast.

FelipeInside

I like Path of Exile, but it's missing something. I can't seem to put my finger on what it is but it feels like it's incomplete.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Is the Grim Dawn Alpha closed, by the way? Is it possible to get in on it at this point? I would love to play it early, and contribute to shaping it. I was in the Path of Exile closed beta since over a year ago, and it's been a blast.

Elann2008

I like Path of Exile, but it's missing something. I can't seem to put my finger on what it is but it feels like it's incomplete.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Is the Grim Dawn Alpha closed, by the way? Is it possible to get in on it at this point? I would love to play it early, and contribute to shaping it. I was in the Path of Exile closed beta since over a year ago, and it's been a blast.

Elann2008

I like Path of Exile, but it's missing something. I can't seem to put my finger on what it is but it feels like it's incomplete.

What the game is missing for me is the atmosphere. The thing that killed the atmosphere for me was the lack of challenge for most of the part and awful animations.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

I like Path of Exile, but it's missing something. I can't seem to put my finger on what it is but it feels like it's incomplete.

Maroxad

What the game is missing for me is the atmosphere. The thing that killed the atmosphere for me was the lack of challenge for most of the part and awful animations.

I swear people are playing a different game than me.  It is rather challenging later on.  Great atmosphere, just needs polish in areas.  Animations could use some work no doubt though.

Is the Grim Dawn Alpha closed, by the way? Is it possible to get in on it at this point? I would love to play it early, and contribute to shaping it. I was in the Path of Exile closed beta since over a year ago, and it's been a blast.

the_bi99man

you can get in if you purchase a certain pack.  I think the one that is $50 gets you into the alpha.  Beta is cheaper to get into I belieev.

I am hoping GrimDawn delivers, I have a beta key and already bought the game. I am sick of loot hunt games that even with countless hrs of farming feel very unrewarding grinding for loot. Path of Exile included, that is my only real complait with the game, I have grinded my ass off and loot drops are mainly total trash. If grimdawn is the same way I am done with the genre, I dont want loot handed to me, but If I invest the time I expect a reward.

I hear postive feed back about the Alpha build, the game engine loooks really dated to me, I hope that gets  alot of work before release.