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#1 Riki101
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i just got my gts, and im not quite impressed, first of all

i run the source stress test on my gts at max details, no aa, trillinear, at 1024*768... on my 1550 i got 95fps, on gts i get 150fps.... pretty bad....

crysis demo: run high, i think its below 20 most of the time.... 1024*768

CoH: dx10, everything max, 1024*768, no aa, min FPS like 16, avg, 35, max 65

im gunna run 3d mark tomarrow...

does this sound normal for a 8800gts 512 meg...
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#2 Lehman
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something is wrong cause i got a GTX (basically the same, only GTX is better @ high res and with AA)

i run High settings in Crysis and get 35+ FPS and if i run high - V high i get 30+ @ 1680x1050 with edgeaa and 16x AF
and shadows medium

but what are the rest of your specs?
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#3 X360PS3AMD05
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Low res.......card won't spread its wings until you get to higher resolutions :|.............
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#4 Lehman
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i was wondering, why are you running such a low res??

that cant be the native res of a LCD
try 1280x1024 or 1440x900 if its widesreen or even 1680x1050
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#5 X360PS3AMD05
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Yup, that's why i tell people to get nice monitors, what CPU do you have TC?
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#6 Lehman
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apparently theres a LCD moniter witha native res of 2560xXXX that actually looks good at non native res

might save up for that

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#7 SSJBen
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Sounds like your CPU-bound, not the problem with your GTS.
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#8 SearchMaster
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Sounds like your CPU-bound, not the problem with your GTS.SSJBen
Yeah, this is another thing to think about. You can tell us your system to give us an idea
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#9 Riki101
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4600+ x2 3 gig ram.. drivers installed,

forceware 169.25


also i run the human head tech demo and i get 5 fps ITS POOR PERFORMANCE in that demo... im gunna run the cascades and other tech demos now, then ill run 3dmark 06
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WAIT WAIT WAIT.... I JUST REINSTALLED DRIVERS AND RAN HUMAN HEAD, IT RAN "GOOD" not terrible like last time... i must not get my hopes up.... im gunna run a few more benchmarks before i can confirm i fixed the problem.... oh boy i hope it runs normally .... cause i dont want to give xfx a bad word and exchange it
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#11 Riki101
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hmmm CoH same framerate, human head was big improvement but in coh, this time at 1280*1024, i got min 15 max 60 avg 33... so kinda the same, also my monitors max res is 1280*1024... ill be getting lcd after...
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#12 Riki101
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i got 8500points in 3dmark06... doesnt the GT do better then that?
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#13 Riki101
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why is anti alaising, so stressfull on this gpu, i run human head with 1x aa, and it runs decent, i up the res to 1280*1024 with aa at 1.5x, and it runs terrible!!!

then cascades with 4x aa, it runs decent, i turn it off and its over 60 frames..
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why is anti alaising, so stressfull on this gpu, i run human head with 1x aa, and it runs decent, i up the res to 1280*1024 with aa at 1.5x, and it runs terrible!!!

then cascades with 4x aa, it runs decent, i turn it off and its over 60 frames..
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#15 Riki101
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i just ran GPU Z and compared to this GPU Z

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/3635-xfx-8800gts-512mb-g92-alpha-dog-edition-review-11.html

Exactly same card

but why is mine:
bandwidth:66gb/s and theirs is 71.5
pixle fillrate:12.6 theirs is 13.1

but my texture fillrate is 44 theirs looks like its 13.1 or is it 131


everything elles is the same...
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#16 Riki101
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please help... i think im just gunna get exchange, and if the new card performs the same maybe its something to do with mobo memory cpu?
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#17 Riki101
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bump
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#18 kodex1717
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Turn your resolution up and see if your performance improves at all. It's unlikely, but possible.

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#19 Riki101
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it gets worse,

i ran company of heroes test in dx9 mode this time, my average was 100fps and max was 180

but when i looked up reveiws the average is 180 and max was 300fps!.....

i also see gts 320meg beating this card...


also.... when i was playing crysis, the frame rates droped below 10 i believe and it stayed there, it also just keeps getting worse and worse.... 1280*1024 no aa high..


i seen youtube video where a guy was using the 320meg version, running the human head tech demo at 1600*1200 2xaa

....

i cant even run it at 1024*768 with 1.5xaa, it runs sooooo choppy, AND i have the "better version".... g92
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#20 Riki101
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i mean CHECK OUT THE COH bench http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/3635-xfx-8800gts-512mb-g92-alpha-dog-edition-review-7.html

my MAX was 180, their max is 380..

my average was 100 theirs is 180..

you get the point, its almost 2x slower!...

i never been so disapointed...

btw i got xfx also..
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#21 andyjl
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it gets worse,

i ran company of heroes test in dx9 mode this time, my average was 100fps and max was 180

but when i looked up reveiws the average is 180 and max was 300fps!.....

i also see gts 320meg beating this card...


also.... when i was playing crysis, the frame rates droped below 10 i believe and it stayed there, it also just keeps getting worse and worse.... 1280*1024 no aa high..


i seen youtube video where a guy was using the 320meg version, running the human head tech demo at 1600*1200 2xaa

....

i cant even run it at 1024*768 with 1.5xaa, it runs sooooo choppy, AND i have the "better version".... g92Riki101

I have the EVGA version of the card and it sure handles Crysis better then yours. I play at 1600x1200 with all high and no AA and get somewhere around 30 FPS. You did delete the old drivers before installing the new ones right? That could cause the problem.

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#22 General_X
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What's your powersupply? Maybe it's not getting enough power.
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apparently theres a LCD moniter witha native res of 2560xXXX that actually looks good at non native res

might save up for that

Lehman
Gateway XHD3000? I'd love to have one, but the price tag is more than that of my entire gaming computer! As for the TC, perhaps that Athlon X2 4600+ is holding you back a bit...but you did say that a driver reinstall really helped with your performance. Perhaps you can uninstall the drivers, going so far as to clean them out with a driver-cleaning app, and then reinstall once more to find out if you get a further performance boost or not? (You may also want to try the 169.44 beta drivers to increase Crysis performance.)
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#24 Bgrngod
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Something is weird here. I can run Crysis at 20 FPS, mostly low/medium settings on an 8xAGP 7950. You should definitely be much better off then me.
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#25 Riki101
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i even reformated my pc, so no previous drivers,

corsair HX620W is my psu
[QUOTE="Lehman"]

apparently theres a LCD moniter witha native res of 2560xXXX that actually looks good at non native res

might save up for that

NamelessPlayer
Gateway XHD3000? I'd love to have one, but the price tag is more than that of my entire gaming computer! As for the TC, perhaps that Athlon X2 4600+ is holding you back a bit...but you did say that a driver reinstall really helped with your performance. Perhaps you can uninstall the drivers, going so far as to clean them out with a driver-cleaning app, and then reinstall once more to find out if you get a further performance boost or not? (You may also want to try the 169.44 beta drivers to increase Crysis performance.)



no i thought, first of all, i run human head no aa= 50fps+.... then i turn on aa just on 2x and it goes below 5fps.... :

also i was playing crysis and it droped down below 10 frames sometimes and doesnt go up....


this is pissing me off..
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#26 Bgrngod
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I noticed you said you have 3 gigs of ram. What kind of configuration is that? If that's 3x 1-gig sticks, wouldn't that mean dual channel mode is off? Try yanking out a stick and see if your memory bandwidth jumps. Make sure it's the right stick to yank out. The other remaining 2 should be in the same colored slots.

For some reason I have a feeling it may be something other then your GTS card.

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#27 X360PS3AMD05
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Or it could be what they call "canned benchmarks" and in real games you won't get the same FPS (this is what hardocp cries about)
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#28 Riki101
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Or it could be what they call "canned benchmarks" and in real games you won't get the same FPS (this is what hardocp cries about)X360PS3AMD05

i dont care about bench, the frame rates are bad in both bench and real-world... i doubt its the memory.

and gts is running 51 degrees on load, wth suppose to run at like 64 degrees,

my gts is odd
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Or it could be what they call "canned benchmarks" and in real games you won't get the same FPS (this is what hardocp cries about)Riki101

i dont care about bench, the frame rates are bad in both bench and real-world... i doubt its the memory.

and gts is running 51 degrees on load, wth suppose to run at like 64 degrees,

my gts is odd

Your complaining your system is cold?

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[QUOTE="Riki101"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Or it could be what they call "canned benchmarks" and in real games you won't get the same FPS (this is what hardocp cries about)death1505921


i dont care about bench, the frame rates are bad in both bench and real-world... i doubt its the memory.

and gts is running 51 degrees on load, wth suppose to run at like 64 degrees,

my gts is odd

Your complaining your system is cold?


yep, as its not normal... its good to have it at that temp but not normal....

i removed 1 stick so its dual channel
i installed beta drivers

still bad....

im just gunna exchange see if its the same
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#31 death1505921
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What case, fans, ect do you have?

What are you running your fan at? It is most probably your CPU though. At those reselutions your CPU will hold you back the most so I wouldn't be suprised if after a return you see no difference.

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#32 Riki101
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cpu? i doubt it,

antec 900
front fans at med
back fans low,

i just ran bioshock demo, its mostly smooth,

im pretty sure an 8600gts, a mid range card can handle bioshock with no slow downs.... well... mine slowed down, hic ups frequently when theres particles...
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#33 Riki101
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check this out http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=56019

"I just ran the Company of Heroes demo and got an average of 41 FPS. I could hit 60s with the 7950GX2. Something is definitely wrong. but I'm not sure what else to try. If anyone has some scores with a 8800GTS they can post as a comparispn it would be appreciated.
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#34 General_X
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What's your powersupply? Maybe it's not getting enough power.General_X
I think this is the problem...
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#35 Riki101
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[QUOTE="General_X"]What's your powersupply? Maybe it's not getting enough power.General_X
I think this is the problem...

... i said before

Corsair HX620W
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What CPU do you have?
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#37 Riki101
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i dont think its CPU guys, think about it

human head tech demo runs smoothly with 1xSS, but when i put it to 1.5xSS it slow like hell..

Look guys, check this out!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=koOfLic4MQs
not only is he running it at 1600*1200 but with 2xSS

when i put it to 1024*768 at 2xSS it doesnt even open, crashes basically..
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#38 X360PS3AMD05
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What CPU do you have?Wesker776
4600+ x2 3 gig ram.. drivers installed,
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[QUOTE="Wesker776"]What CPU do you have?X360PS3AMD05
4600+ x2 3 gig ram.. drivers installed,

- Your CPU could be bottlenecking your card. For example, Hardware Canucks had their Q6600 at 3.50GHz.
- Your RAM may not be set-up in dual channel mode, which hampers memory bandwidth.
- Your GPU may not be getting all 16 PCIe lanes from the PCIe slot. Download GPU-Z and check the "Bus Interface" tab.

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#40 Riki101
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"][QUOTE="Wesker776"]What CPU do you have?Wesker776

4600+ x2 3 gig ram.. drivers installed,

- Your CPU could be bottlenecking your card. For example, Hardware Canucks had their Q6600 at 3.50GHz.
- Your RAM may not be set-up in dual channel mode, which hampers memory bandwidth.
- Your GPU may not be getting all 16 PCIe lanes from the PCIe slot. Download GPU-Z and check the "Bus Interface" tab.


i took out a stick, its dual channel, still no fix...
its 16 lanes yes, i downloaded gpu-z and checked, i also noticed bandwidth, pixle fillrate, ect is lower the hardware cannucks,

the human head isnt CPU intensive AT ALL..
remember 1xSS it runs great, but 1.5 it runs HORRIBLE, how is that cpu bottleneck? thats more or less the video card....

i also seen some people that have a 3800+ and get better scores then me :

thanks for trying to help though

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#41 Riki101
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=mZsa0IXmMJY

wow his gt just pooned my gts.. thats it. tomarrow ill be exchanging it, if its the same performance, odd, ill be changing mobo ram and cpu anyway, so we will see... hopefully its not the psu
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#42 Wesker776
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[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"][QUOTE="Wesker776"]What CPU do you have?Riki101

4600+ x2 3 gig ram.. drivers installed,

- Your CPU could be bottlenecking your card. For example, Hardware Canucks had their Q6600 at 3.50GHz.
- Your RAM may not be set-up in dual channel mode, which hampers memory bandwidth.
- Your GPU may not be getting all 16 PCIe lanes from the PCIe slot. Download GPU-Z and check the "Bus Interface" tab.


i took out a stick, its dual channel, still no fix...
its 16 lanes yes, i downloaded gpu-z and checked, i also noticed bandwidth, pixle fillrate, ect is lower the hardware cannucks,

the human head isnt CPU intensive AT ALL..
remember 1xSS it runs great, but 1.5 it runs HORRIBLE, how is that cpu bottleneck? thats more or less the video card....

i also seen some people that have a 3800+ and get better scores then me :

thanks for trying to help though

Can I see a screen shot of GPU-Z?

Good luck on the RMA, too.

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#43 andyjl
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=mZsa0IXmMJY

wow his gt just pooned my gts.. thats it. tomorrow ill be exchanging it, if its the same performance, odd, ill be changing mobo ram and cpu anyway, so we will see... hopefully its not the psuRiki101

You should really stop looking at what other people can do with their cards. You can't compare overclocked cards to stock cards. You also can't compare two different cards with every other part of the system being different. Even cards of the exact same model/manufacture are going to run slightly different. All these videos are absolutely worthless for seeing if your card is good/bad.

That being said, you have basically checked all the other parts of your PC. Hopefully you got XFX or EVGA and the return should be pretty simple and quick.

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#44 Riki101
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im not gunna deal with xfx, im just gunna go to my retail store and get a direct replacment, they will do it for me,

but one question, should i keep staying with XFX, or should i switch it with the same card but evga,(no game bundle :*( )

xfx came with CoH, but evga does seem better in terms of customer service ect ect

so which one would you chose?
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#45 Kurushio
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The whole point of going with evga is really their step up program. If you can have the count down to step up start when you get the card from them then it probably is a good idea. Other wise there may not be much point in switching.
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#46 death1505921
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Stick to XFX.
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#47 Riki101
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Stick to XFX.death1505921

i got exchanged hopefully its the card and not the rest of my pc, otherwise i have to pay stocking fee of 15%. which is about 50 bucks lawl
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#48 muirplayer
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It'd be great to see a good list of the specs of your system. IE:

CPU (speed and fsb)

RAM (ddr1 or 2? mhz?)

Videocard (8800gts obviously, but G80 or G92 core?)

Motherboard model and chipset

Power supply

Not hard to get those details. Also, do you have any programs running in the background that you either know or don't know about?

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#49 Riki101
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It'd be great to see a good list of the specs of your system. IE:

CPU (speed and fsb)

RAM (ddr1 or 2? mhz?)

Videocard (8800gts obviously, but G80 or G92 core?)

Motherboard model and chipset

Power supply

Not hard to get those details. Also, do you have any programs running in the background that you either know or don't know about?

muirplayer

well its my computer, i believe, i just poped in a new card and its the same..

my pc
4600x2 defualt,
g92
corsair HX620W
ram DDR2 captain generic ram running at 500mhz i believe,
motherboard dunno, some acer build mobo,

i believe the mobo and ram is holding it back,
i know they suck but i didnt know they would hold my card back as far as 50%!

i think the mobo chipset is an nforce 4... with no south bridge,

im gunna buy mobo cpu cooler, cpu, and good memory when i get the money..
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#50 Riki101
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oh as far as programs go, my system is clean,