gts should be better... right?

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#51 Riki101
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well this is strange, im playing crysis with 2xaa all high and getting 25 fps, but when i put 4x it goes down to 5fps :\
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#52 muirplayer
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You're not going to be able to play crysis on high with any gts model, sorry.

All chipsets have a southbridge?

Download cpu-z: http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

and gpu-z: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/SysInfo/GPU-Z/

Run each program and take a screen shot with both of the widnows visible. Upload them to imageshack or photobucket and post the link to the picture.

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#53 Riki101
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#54 muirplayer
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Apparently there's something wrong with your processor. Stock speed for a 4600+ is 2.4ghz. There's your first problem. Second is that your ram may be serving you a small bottleneck (pc4300 is a bit old).

Your bus speed and HT link are fine, but the multiplier is too low. It should be at 12, not 5. Not sure if the model of processor you have has an unlocked multiplier (it should though since it's not at what it should be). You should be able to change your multiplier in the bios.

Everything else looks fine.

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#55 muirplayer
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Your core voltage should also be at 1.3 and not 1.088
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#56 muirplayer
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Apparently there's something wrong with your processor. Stock speed for a 4600+ is 2.4ghz. There's your first problem. Second is that your ram may be serving you a small bottleneck (pc4300 is a bit old).

Your bus speed and HT link are fine, but the multiplier is too low. It should be at 12, not 5. Not sure if the model of processor you have has an unlocked multiplier (it should though since it's not at what it should be). You should be able to change your multiplier in the bios.

muirplayer

Sorry for quoting myself, just going to explain to you how the processor speed is determined. Bus speed * multiplier = processor speed.

Core volatage is how much power the processor uses. 1.3 is stock for a 4600+. This can also be set in the bios.

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#57 G013M
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You're not going to be able to play crysis on high with any gts model, sorry.

All chipsets have a southbridge?

Download cpu-z: http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

and gpu-z: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/SysInfo/GPU-Z/

Run each program and take a screen shot with both of the widnows visible. Upload them to imageshack or photobucket and post the link to the picture.

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What? A GTS512 should be able to run crysis on high :?.

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#58 muirplayer
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I have a gts(G80) 768mb @ 659/1000 and an Athlon 64X2 6400+ and running crysis on its highest setting (resolution @ 1152) made it unplayable.
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#59 G013M
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I have a gts(G80) 768mb @ 659/1000 and an Athlon 64X2 6400+ and running crysis on its highest setting (resolution @ 1152) made it unplayable.muirplayer

Oh -- highest setting ;).

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Apparently there's something wrong with your processor. Stock speed for a 4600+ is 2.4ghz. There's your first problem. Second is that your ram may be serving you a small bottleneck (pc4300 is a bit old).

Your bus speed and HT link are fine, but the multiplier is too low. It should be at 12, not 5. Not sure if the model of processor you have has an unlocked multiplier (it should though since it's not at what it should be). You should be able to change your multiplier in the bios.

Everything else looks fine.

muirplayer

That's AMD Cool N' Quiet--similar to Intel SpeedStep--it reduces the processor multiplier and voltage when the system is idle.

Everything looks fine, according to CPU-Z and GPU-Z.

But, as I said before, are you running your RAM in dual channel mode? Secondly, I noticed that you've got a third party built PC. Are there any background programs that are probably reducing performance?

I would definitely say that this is probably a combination of CPU bottlenecking and background apps that may be eating performance (you've also got Vista--but that shouldn't hinder performance that much). Keep in mind that an Athlon X2 at 2.40GHz (with 2 x 1MB of L2 cache) is only as fast as a ~1.92GHz Core 2 Duo (with 4MB of L2 cache and a 1066MHz FSB). Hence why when you see AMD fanboys recommending Athlon X2's and using the logic "games are GPU restricted--who cares about the CPU", you have to slap them in the face.

As a last resort, try the following:
- Remove all NVIDIA software installed on your PC. NVIDIA may have a software tool to do this, but otherwise go to Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs and remove all NVIDIA software. Further, you may have to delete NVIDIA files from your hard drive.

NOTE: DO NOT UNINSTALL NVIDIA CHIPSET DRIVERS! ONLY REMOVE VIDEO CARD DRIVERS!!!

- Reboot. Once the system has booted up, reboot again.

- Install the latest NVIDIA drivers and any hotfixes that you require for Vista.

- Reboot twice.

- If that fails, repeat the entire process again, but use the stock drivers (on your CD) instead of the latest drivers.

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#61 muirplayer
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Oh... didn't take cool n' quiet into consideration. Every board I've seen the option with has it off by default. His processor has 512kb L2 cache though, not 1mb.

You may also want to change your power settings to performance since you're on vista. Clean your drivers completely like he said: http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745

Maybe I should have compared earlier but... his 3dm06 score doesn't exactly look bad for his setup. If it was a great deal higher, I'd be scaared for my system (Similar set up with AMD and older 8800gts) - http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dm06fr9.jpg

(ram is 4gb dual channel and sli ready, pc6400 @ 4-4-4-12 2T)

Yea I'm an AMD fanboy too, even though they ain't doin so great right now but... Yea whoever said gaming is gpu based, they need a slap.

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#62 Riki101
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i reformatted my pc, and theres almost no backround programs running...
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#63 ishkoo
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go to control panel --> power options. Make sure it's set to "performance" and not "power saver". Power saver will limit your CPU (and possibly GPU) frequency by 50%.

Coincidence?

edit: Considering you said you just reformatted, I wouldn't expect Vista to set the PC to Power Saver by default.

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#64 Riki101
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well at home i just set it to performance, but right now i cant test, im at work... i doubt it will do anythint though, btw vista has it default it to balanced not power saver
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#65 ishkoo
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well at home i just set it to performance, but right now i cant test, im at work... i doubt it will do anythint though, btw vista has it default it to balanced not power saverRiki101

Exactly. Well, Balenced, in my experience, is essentially Speedstep/amd equivalent. When I had vista on my laptop, if I changed the power setting to power saver, it lowered my CPU to 800mhz (from 2.0 GHz). If I set it to balenced, it lowered it to 1.0 GHz, but increased the speed when programs were running. If I set it to Performance, it stayed at 2.0 GHz regardless of activity.

I don't think it's a power option setting though, so I guess you can ignore my comment.

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#66 Riki101
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wiered, i was just playing coh, and me and my partern just won the match, and out of no where, my pc just shuts down... :\
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#67 ch5richards
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My first guess would be a power supply. I see you have the Corsair 620, so chances are slim, but even the best can have a few bad apples.

Have you tried running Memtest, not sure if it would help at all, but at least you could rule the RAM out.

You got an extra computer you can test the GPU in, or maybe a friends PC??

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#68 jigga1142
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I would re-evaluate the proc. your using.. what was it, a x2 4600+? If you know the type of socket your using, probably a 939, you might want to look into getting a amd x2 6000+.. Either this one or the 6400+.. While it's not exactly a core2duo, these are the fastes x2 64 chips available. They'd make you GRPHX card scream if your looking for more performance. For the newer games, a 4600+ is just keeping your head above water. Before you spend the cash, double check you memory, ensuree that they're of the same make and same speed to eliminate chances that it could be the reason why your getting a bottleneck.

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#69 Riki101
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wow it happened again, i was playing coh and boom, shut down when it was loading...
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#70 andyjl
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wow it happened again, i was playing coh and boom, shut down when it was loading...Riki101

My first guess is the PSU. Try to get one from a friend and see if it makes a difference, just make sure that the new one is powerful enough to run your system. Since you are also using budget RAM I would consider getting something better. For $40-$50 it would be a cheap upgrade and might help with your issues.

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#71 jigga1142
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shutsdown?I believe the issue might be your psu.. does it do this when it's running other applications? What is the wattage on your psu? Games can be quite demanding on a computer. 300W isn't going to help much if your running machine with a 6800 and above grphx card. these cards require atleast a 400W and above. If your running with 450W PSU, you might want to open up the case, check your connectors on your psu, ensure all the pins are properly seated in the mobo. If you really want to go all out and you have spare parts laying around, replace the psu with another one and try reproducing the error (shutdown) to eliminate the probable cause.

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#72 Wesker776
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He's running a Corsair HX620W, so I doubt it's the PSU.

OK, can you answer the following questions:
1. Are you sure that the CPU isn't overheating?
2. Did you connect the 6 pin PEG cable from the PSU to your card?
3. Is your memory setup completely stable? You can use a program called OCCT to test this as well as Orthos Beta. Normally, these are overclocking stability test suites, but they can be used to detect regular system stability.
4. Did you connect all the necessary PSU cables to your motherboard?
5. Is your motherboard at fault? Can you borrow a motherboard from a friend (socket 939)?
6. How many memory sticks can your motherboard hold, and how much sticks have you got installed?

I doubt it's a software problem, because you reformatted. I doubt it's a PSU problem, because it's a highly reliable unit. I am suspecting that either your memory or motherboard is messed up.

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#73 debusentel
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I have 4 of the GTS (G92) XFX Cards , one of them is the OC'd edition. I can play anything on high including crysis. I also have a 22 inch widescreen monitor. Now , on my PC with a regular 19 inch the card does not do as well as it does with my 22 inch wide screen monitor.

With that said (because in one of your posts you asked for people with this card to reply) I would say you have a PSU and a RAM problem.

Now , I know your PSU is a great quality product but once you mention random crashing and other things I think the PSU might be going. Just because its a great PSU doesnt mean it can't break , after all someone has to get a bad one.

Lastly , your RAM is not helping you at all and your low res. that you are running is also hindering your card.

Stick with XFX they are a great company if you do RMA it but I do not think its the card. You would have different problems.

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#74 Empirefrtw
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I agree with the PSU is the mostly likely source of your problems if you get s sudden shut down while trying to do something intensive, but it might also be your ram as you said you were loading up a game and that is where the ram comes into play so if possible i would see if you can get your psu replaced and see if you either can get your memory replaced or get some new memmory.
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#75 Riki101
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He's running a Corsair HX620W, so I doubt it's the PSU.

OK, can you answer the following questions:
1. Are you sure that the CPU isn't overheating?
2. Did you connect the 6 pin PEG cable from the PSU to your card?
3. Is your memory setup completely stable? You can use a program called OCCT to test this as well as Orthos Beta. Normally, these are overclocking stability test suites, but they can be used to detect regular system stability.
4. Did you connect all the necessary PSU cables to your motherboard?
5. Is your motherboard at fault? Can you borrow a motherboard from a friend (socket 939)?
6. How many memory sticks can your motherboard hold, and how much sticks have you got installed?

I doubt it's a software problem, because you reformatted. I doubt it's a PSU problem, because it's a highly reliable unit. I am suspecting that either your memory or motherboard is messed up.

Wesker776


1.yes
2.yes
3.let me see,
4yes
5i dont think so, cant barrow,
6, 4 stick, 3 installed

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#76 Riki101
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today i played games like crazy, nothing bad happneed, but still, not satisfied with my performance all the way,
25fps in crysis? :S


anyway im going to send my psu to my retail store on friday, have the guys test it..
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#77 Riki101
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oh one more thing, i too think its a slightly bad PSU, i mean sudden shutdowns, and my gts is performing like half of what its suppose to... i think its not getting enought power, anyway, ill let you guys know on friday
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#78 muirplayer
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Really looks like your motherboard/ram are a bottleneck for your card.