GTX 280's, 190-230$! Get 'em while they're hot!

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]They already sold me the card at the price they advertised. I saw it, I clicked buy, I submitted my payment and shipping info. Any attempt to not sell products at the prices they were clearly advertised at will become a legal issue.schu

So you are telling me that I can go out on the street... say "Selling a XXXX that normally cost $450 for $200!"... then someone walks up and wants to buy it... I say... "Ok, give me your full name, you adress, your credit card number, and your 3 digit credit card security number!"... then I just walk away and not sell it to him...

You are saying I can do this...? Because if they don't sell it to him... that is exactly what they just did... they simply took all of him information...

Here in the US... advertising something for a certain price then refusing to sell for that price is known as "False Advertisement" and is illegal...

So you are telling me that I can go out on the street... say "Selling a XXXX that normally cost $450 for $200!"... then someone walks up and wants to buy it... I say... "Ok, give me your full name, you adress, your credit card number, and your 3 digit credit card security number!"... then I just walk away and not sell it to him...

You are saying I can do this...? Because if they don't sell it to him... that is exactly what they just did... they simply took all of him information...

Here in the US... advertising something for a certain price then refusing to sell for that price is known as "False Advertisement" and is illegal...Squeets

You don't have too much experience buying deals online do you?
They have the right to cancel your order at anytime. If it was a pricing error they have even had their shipping companies track down the packages sent and ship them back, happened with a TigerDirect/CompUSA E8400 deal. Buy.com even did a bait/switch on me and sent the wrong product, it was on backorder for over a month. Once I received it and RMA'ed it, they sent me the same one back and since it was a month after purchase I couldn't RMA again.

This would be the same as if I left the wrong price tag on a phone at my store, a customer came up and requested to buy it.. I sold it to him through my direct fulfillment warehouse (shipped to him because I don't have in stock) at the advertised price on a credit card, and then the next day refunded the payment to his credit card and told him that he couldn't have it. If I have the item to sell him, agree to sell it at a certain price (advertised), I legally HAVE TO give it to him at that price.

Now, if Buy.com doesn't have the item in stock at all, I can understand canceling the orders. However, they gave me a bogus reason for cancelling my order related to my Paypal account being unverified. My paypal account has been verified for years and they know it. I have become very good at playing this game with companies. EVGA once sent me an RMA replacement 8800gt after I had clearly cancelled my RMA request a week earlier. They tried to tell me that I had to send the card back, and that I "would not be able to keep both cards." Well, unfortunately for them, I was able to keep both cards, because the issue was caused by an error on their part. They tried to push me, but I threatened legal action because the situation was so black and white. They gave up and I ended up with 2 cards.

This is bad business by Buy.com, and it IS illegal by US law. I am pursuing legal action against them if they try to push this. I won before, and if they want to push it, they will have a ****action lawsuit. They'd be best to just take the 1-time hit and keep their reputation.

WOW, you Americans are sooo lucky!Daytona_178

lol well i wouldnt say that lol, but i will say that on this particular situation, yes us american did get a hell of a break.

but i doubt it will last long lol..

and i think that some people are prolly gonna get fired over this...

and of course it wont be any supervisors, cause they will use their own representatives as scapegoats, lol ive seen it way too many times.

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]WOW, you Americans are sooo lucky!Lach0121

lol well i wouldnt say that lol, but i will say that on this particular situation, yes us american did get a hell of a break.

but i doubt it will last long lol..

and i think that some people are prolly gonna get fired over this...

and of course it wont be any supervisors, cause they will use their own representatives as scapegoats, lol ive seen it way too many times.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]WOW, you Americans are sooo lucky!Daytona_178

lol well i wouldnt say that lol, but i will say that on this particular situation, yes us american did get a hell of a break.

but i doubt it will last long lol..

and i think that some people are prolly gonna get fired over this...

and of course it wont be any supervisors, cause they will use their own representatives as scapegoats, lol ive seen it way too many times.

lol i know i was including pc compenents in this particular situation lol,

not just this gtx 280 business.

[QUOTE="Squeets"]So you are telling me that I can go out on the street... say "Selling a XXXX that normally cost $450 for $200!"... then someone walks up and wants to buy it... I say... "Ok, give me your full name, you adress, your credit card number, and your 3 digit credit card security number!"... then I just walk away and not sell it to him...

You are saying I can do this...? Because if they don't sell it to him... that is exactly what they just did... they simply took all of him information...

Here in the US... advertising something for a certain price then refusing to sell for that price is known as "False Advertisement" and is illegal...LordEC911

You don't have too much experience buying deals online do you?
They have the right to cancel your order at anytime. If it was a pricing error they have even had their shipping companies track down the packages sent and ship them back, happened with a TigerDirect/CompUSA E8400 deal. Buy.com even did a bait/switch on me and sent the wrong product, it was on backorder for over a month. Once I received it and RMA'ed it, they sent me the same one back and since it was a month after purchase I couldn't RMA again.

Wow are you just making things up...? They baited and switched you? LOL? Here in the US that is even more illegal than false advertising... that is called FRAUD... and can get those who are fraudulent prison time...

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]WOW, you Americans are sooo lucky!Daytona_178

lol well i wouldnt say that lol, but i will say that on this particular situation, yes us american did get a hell of a break.

but i doubt it will last long lol..

and i think that some people are prolly gonna get fired over this...

and of course it wont be any supervisors, cause they will use their own representatives as scapegoats, lol ive seen it way too many times.

Dont they just, it would be cheaper for us to buy in the US and have them shipped to UK and even pay import tax if unlucky and get caught, UK prices are just ridiculous for most things we can pay nearly double the price.

Our Government is do damn greedy

[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

lol well i wouldnt say that lol, but i will say that on this particular situation, yes us american did get a hell of a break.

but i doubt it will last long lol..

and i think that some people are prolly gonna get fired over this...

and of course it wont be any supervisors, cause they will use their own representatives as scapegoats, lol ive seen it way too many times.

KurganUK23

Dont they just, it would be cheaper for us to buy in the US and have them shipped to UK and even pay import tax if unlucky and get caught, UK prices are just ridiculous for most things we can pay nearly double the price.

Our Government is do damn greedy

lol all governments are greedy...if they werent, they wouldnt be a government very long...

but you all can have 7.1 audio pc speakers from creative labs, cost me more than the system to ship it from AU, or Europe.

but that is only one thing lol, most pc parts we do get cheaper here in the US. but really only online, in retail they love to tax the crap out of us, then add a federal and state tax,(which no law states we have to pay) onto it lol... so to hell with retail lol... online is cheaper and you get more bang for your buck.

Damn,I paid the same price for my 4850 2 months ago =(MonsieurX

EDIT: I got 2 copies of Far Cry 2 with it though so if i can sell one for a decent price that would be awesome!! It originally came free with one but since it was defective they let me have it plus they will send me exact one with another copy!

This would be the same as if I left the wrong price tag on a phone at my store, a customer came up and requested to buy it.. I sold it to him through my direct fulfillment warehouse (shipped to him because I don't have in stock) at the advertised price on a credit card, and then the next day refunded the payment to his credit card and told him that he couldn't have it. If I have the item to sell him, agree to sell it at a certain price (advertised), I legally HAVE TO give it to him at that price.

Now, if Buy.com doesn't have the item in stock at all, I can understand canceling the orders. However, they gave me a bogus reason for cancelling my order related to my Paypal account being unverified. My paypal account has been verified for years and they know it. I have become very good at playing this game with companies. EVGA once sent me an RMA replacement 8800gt after I had clearly cancelled my RMA request a week earlier. They tried to tell me that I had to send the card back, and that I "would not be able to keep both cards." Well, unfortunately for them, I was able to keep both cards, because the issue was caused by an error on their part. They tried to push me, but I threatened legal action because the situation was so black and white. They gave up and I ended up with 2 cards.

This is bad business by Buy.com, and it IS illegal by US law. I am pursuing legal action against them if they try to push this. I won before, and if they want to push it, they will have a ****action lawsuit. They'd be best to just take the 1-time hit and keep their reputation.

hartsickdiscipl

Read the fine print.
Also, you just stole from EVGA? You threatened legal action? They should have been threatening legal action on you.
God luck with you sueing. I have seen multiple people try with the E8400 @ TD/CompUSA and they didn't get very far.

Wow are you just making things up...? They baited and switched you? LOL? Here in the US that is even more illegal than false advertising... that is called FRAUD... and can get those who are fraudulent prison time...Squeets

Nope, it did happen.
Going to court would cause a larger loss for me and a waste of my time.
Sometimes you just have to know when to fold.

LordEC911

Obviously you know nothing about the American legal system then... "little guys" take on big companies... like buy.com for example... all the time... they advertise their case and big lawyers come to him, ask him about it... and then most of the time if the case is legit... they work pro bono (free, there for advertising/headlines...)... they then go to buy.com with an offer... settle with my client or we will go to court and make you look like theiving bastard crooks in the media... and most of the time the companies will settle out of court because paying you $20,000 to keep your mouth shut will save them more money than loosing thousands of customers who take offense to them ripping you off...

Maybe you should do some research before you sit there and try to act like a "know it all"... this is why the medical industry is so shot in our country as well... Dead beats get insurance... they go to a doctor... they pay the $10 co pay... they leave... they go to another doctor... pay a $10 co pay... and so on and so forth... they go to 20 different doctors and then file malpractice lawsuits against all 20 of them... same deal... "settle with my client or I will put your name all over the papers as the worst doctor in history..."... they would rather pay $20,000 so you settle out of court than loose all of their business... even if they did nothing... Woud you go to a doctor if you turned on the news and saw he was under investigation/being sued for malpractice... of coarse not... the doctor and his lawyer know that as well... so that dead beat just spent $200 on doctor visits and walks away with tens of thousands of dollars simply because he is a piece of horse poop and the media is a scary thing... There are lawyers who love people like this... they make millions of dollars never even going to trial... they just scare doctors and companies into settlements...

That is the reason it is so expensive to go to a doctor or get medication... because Malpractice insurance is expensive... and Medical companies are not always greedy like you may think... they have multi million dollar lawsuits filed against them 24/7... someone takes 10 advil and their heart stops... his family sues advil for wrongful death... someone takes a new drug for back pain and developes asthma... they sue for "pain and suffering"... these companies are paying out millions to these dead beats...

You have probably seen those commercials on TV... "If you have developed "Meso Thelioma" or whatever it was called... call XXX lawfirms!"... the lawyers at that law firm take cases for free and sue the company that made the product that gave people meso thelioma... that is like all they do because they have done hundreds of cases and made millions against that one company...

sueing is overrated and is probably one of the dumest things.moab-doug

I agree... But hear in the US... everyone has the right to their day (or many days) in court... for whatever reason... You can sue someone for looking at you wrong these days... it's an abused system that should be reworked...

What I did to EVGA was far from stealing. What I did was hold them liable for an error on their part. They sent me a video card that I had clearly stated that I didn't want anymore, in writing, through their RMA process far before the card was shipped. I then informed them that they had made a mistake by sending the card to me. They contacted me and told me that I "would not be able to keep both cards."

They had just voluntarily sent me a video card that I had tried to block from being sent out to me, well in advance of the shipping date. If they make a mistake in their RMA department and decide to give me a free video card, I'm not about to send it back, especially in light of the way they tried to strongarm me into thinking that I was somehow obligated to return it. EVGA was completely liable in the situation, and they knew it. They didn't have a leg to stand on legally, or even ethically at that point.

Let's say that you and I send emails back and forth about the potential sale of an item on my website that you're interested in.. let's say you want to buy a book from me. You decide to order the book, but you know that their is a 1-2 week process before I actually ship it out. My website has a button that allows you to cancel your order before it's shipped, in case you change your mind (Similar to EVGA's "cancel RMA" button). You decide after a couple of days that you don't want the book, so you hit the button, and receive a confirmation email stating that your order has been cancelled.

At this point, you're thinking that the entire thing is over, and that you don't need to worry about it at all. You've done your part as the customer to follow my procedures to cancel your order. A week later, you get the book delivered to your door. You decide that you might have a legitimate use for the book afterall, but think that maybe you should contact me to let me know what happened. Afterall, that would be the right thing to do.. wouldn't it? You call me, and I demand that you send the book back, stating that it is your responsibility to correct the mistake that was made by my business. At this point, you're furious with the arrogance and nerve of me trying to demand back something that is at this point, a gift.

When it comes to business relationships with customers... companies have to understand that they are liable for any "gifts" that they may give away by mistake. It is NEVER the responsiblity of the customer to return an item, especially when they made every attempt to prevent the mistake from being made in the first place. This is especially true in business, but I feel that it applies in life in general. When companies become so large that the right hand can't talk to the left in time, these things happen, and they have to accept that.

LoL... and people wonder why I don't post here anymore.LordEC911

Firstly, "fair" has nothing to do with the law, especially when it comes to a consumer dealing with a large company. The law doesn't care what's fair and what's not, and I have no idea where you got the idea that it does. Whether or not you think what I did was a jerk move, it was completely legal, and would stand up as such anywhere in the US.

On the point of the Buy.com situation- "contracts" and "fine-print" get overridden all the time if the law deems that the consumer was in any way mislead or that the "purchase agreement" was to the consumer's disadvantage. I'll let you know when I get my 280, and how I did it, so you can maybe get a fair deal too next time a large company tries to bend you over once you've done your part in the deal. People give up way too easily, it's not a way to get ahead.

[QUOTE="moab-doug"]sueing is overrated and is probably one of the dumest things.Squeets

I agree... But hear in the US... everyone has the right to their day (or many days) in court... for whatever reason... You can sue someone for looking at you wrong these days... it's an abused system that should be reworked...

thats because the system is a joke.

i see it everyday, here in america people can sue people over a combination of words... its pathetic... the number of decent people in the world is dwindling.

i mean here in america, if a guys finds a dead body, calls the cops cause he is a good citizen, he becomes the prime suspect.... this is one reason why no one wants to help anyone anymore..

hell the very person you help. can turn right around and sue you.

if a criminal breaks into your house, you shoot him in the leg, because you were thoughtfull enough not to take his life, he can turn around and sue you in court and more than likely win... IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.

anyway back on topic, yeah this deal is intrigueing, but i think im just gonna hold off on new gpu until one truly for dx11 comes out, hd5870 or whatever nvidias single gpu powerhouse will be.

but i will upgrade to the phenom II as soon as i get the money. so i can truly utilize my 8800gt ocx in SLI, cause it will remove all bottlenecks from my cpu.

Firstly, "fair" has nothing to do with the law, especially when it comes to a consumer dealing with a large company. The law doesn't care what's fair and what's not, and I have no idea where you got the idea that it does. Whether or not you think what I did was a jerk move, it was completely legal, and would stand up as such anywhere in the US.

On the point of the Buy.com situation- "contracts" and "fine-print" get overridden all the time if the law deems that the consumer was in any way mislead or that the "purchase agreement" was to the consumer's disadvantage. I'll let you know when I get my 280, and how I did it, so you can maybe get a fair deal too next time a large company tries to bend you over once you've done your part in the deal. People give up way too easily, it's not a way to get ahead.

hartsickdiscipl

I don't have to say anything else about the legal system, and life in general not being fair. As Clint Eastwood once said: "Deserve's got nothing to do with it." What's fair and deserving in each situation is determined by all the factors at hand, and by who has the will power to keep fighting for what they think is fair.

I think you overcomplicate the issue at hand. I found a video card with a price I liked, I clicked buy, the money came out of my paypal account. From my point of view as a consumer and a generally logical human being, the sale is complete and the only right thing for the company to do is provide me my merchandise that I purchased from them at the price they posted. There is nothing more to it.

I don't have to say anything else about the legal system, and life in general not being fair. As Clint Eastwood once said: "Deserve's got nothing to do with it." What's fair and deserving in each situation is determined by all the factors at hand, and by who has the will power to keep fighting for what they think is fair.

I think you overcomplicate the issue at hand. I found a video card with a price I liked, I clicked buy, the money came out of my paypal account. From my point of view as a consumer and a generally logical human being, the sale is complete and the only right thing for the company to do is provide me my merchandise that I purchased from them at the price they posted. There is nothing more to it.

hartsickdiscipl

I also have, and currently do work retail for a very large national company as a store manager. I deal with many idiot customers.. but I've noticed that most of them have something that at least resembles a logical and legitimate point. One of the best ways that companies are forced to make improvements in their systems and stay honest is by critical evaluation from their customers and employees.

If 1+1 doesn't equal 2 in the eyes of the customer, and they feel they're being ripped off, I as a manager have to be able to see that and sympathize with it. If somebody doesn't have a legit point, I tell them they're off base. I'd much rather have a happy customer and keep the process simple for them, even though I make take a little bit of heat from my superiors from time to time. If my store has an item priced incorrectly, I honor the price because it's the right thing to do both morally and legally. The customer doesn't know, and doesn't need to know about all the BS that might've happened to lead up to the price being posted incorrectly. If a customer is having an issue with their credit card not going through to make payment, I try to offer every possible alternative to them, because the sale should be made, right or wrong price.