GTX260 GTX 280 success or failure?

[QUOTE="marcthpro"]Well or more. who know i think it as more potentials. well let see ATI Come up with video card if it DEFEAt nvidia.
Id Think also maybe 15% Or osmeitng like +6-7 FPS. If that the case it still a major improvement. on 1920x1200
only 1/5 of peopel who make a epxneisve pc GO TO 2500x1600 to the simple fact
it 30 inch : it Large : IT Cost more then 1000$ or Pound To get a SYSTEm TO WORK with 30fPS + at 2500x1600
I think in 2 year 2500x1600 gona be a better Standart for video card : 1920x1200 is the current best (high end standart)

Lot of video card endle it pretty good on SLI & Tri Sli for no lag
While unless you TRI SLI the D260GTX OR 280GTX OC I doesn't know if you could run a game like Cryis 2500x1600 60fps.
all Very high. :( that the point im disapionted. i mean if you pay that much it should AT LAST ? Run . The GAme 2500x1600 : 60FPS : + The setting to it max :-/ But Back to 1920x1200
D(serie + are the only tos upport the future of monitor incoming end 2009 : 10 Bits Color = higher then current 110% Gamut pc monitor. a bit i think & more perfect & 120 hz which is make the Boom Effect & All those GREAt SFX far Greater but maybe the NEW NVIDIA incoming With gDDR5 in 2009 : Gona Endle well the 10bits : 3200x1500 monitor or the rumour talk about at 120hz
it possible it only 2500x1600 or 1920x1200 the resolution people cna afford at 120hz 10 bits
This is another topic. but it RELATEd TO the Geforce Serie D260+ Maybe a D280GX2 Quad sli ? or D300 : GX2 By 2009 with gDDR5 That would be awsome lol maartyr

That is possibly the worst thing I have ever read.

:lol::lol::lol:

[QUOTE="marcthpro"]maybe with a release of 180+ Driver performance gonna drop to +10%
It should logical be much stronger The spec of The new geforce
it offer some new feature that only Quad sli can do and this one can do with a single card
2x8800GT will offer less possibly to increase graphic to the maxed a game like Crysis compare to to TWO GTX260
And i saw that TWO GTX260 Are Barely Offering Better Performance now then Two GTX280 So maybe With new Driver
The 2x GTX280 Gonna kick Quad sli by far

Yet One D280 OC can do all Graphic to high beside Object quality In crysis : At 1920x1200 with over 30 fps
That playable : 60 fps better but only Sli offer it :-/
One 9800GX2 Can only do half medium : half high on Crysis
So the new Graphic Texture of D280 should be Stronger indeed. But Ima wait few month to see if price drop
9800gx2 was 660$ : now 520$ in sale And Two Gx2 was Best Performance Before Quad sli But just Double SLI GTx260 OC may kick ass of quad sli maybe? Crysis ALL very high : 1920x1200 : 50FPS that would be nice shakmaster13

Need I remind you of the HD 2900xt?

Sure
Sorry for English misspelling but I'm like nvidia should REALLY MAKE much better then this
1920x1200 monitor FTW : 2500x1600 = Too expensive and take too much video card After Year :P
But You heard of the Feature of 120hz 10Bits of D series ? Does the ATI HD4700+ Offer it too ?

I'm a Wait video card Get Better price & driver Before Switch to a new mobo that gonna run Game such as spore : mass effect : crysis : and. Starcraft 2 at highest setting 1920x1200 without lag. id try 2500x1600 ? but id have to spend for TRI SLI OR some-ting :-/
heard of the incoming 3200x resolution incoming around 2010 i readed stuff think it won't run it :P but it still insane why pixel go so higher XD
it still saying it suport
120hz : 10 bits monitor ? what ever is those monitor how they cost it say so

The fact is, that the GTX 280 is a groundbreaking video card. It gives incredible performance from one GPU, is made for more than just gamers in mind, has been designed with the enviroment in mind, and is basically future proof. I agree that it might be a little bit overpriced (I say $550 tops), but hey, you pay for the best.

It's a FTW in my opinion. The only reason people are saying it is a fail is because of the price and they can't afford it, but for many companies and graphic intensive business's out there, this is a dream come true. Nvidia has stated that this card is going outside of the box, and is going to be used for much more than just gaming.

You can get a 8800GT for $129 on newegg. I'd say 2 8800GTs in SLI for half the cost and almost 10% more performance (except at super high resolutions, but that's because the 280 has a gig of VRAM compared to the 512mb of the 8800GT).

Epic Fail Nvidia... Epic Fail

I voted "fail" for now just based on the benchmarks.

But remember that you really can't judge until the drivers get more mature. It is a new architecture, after all. the 9s and 8s all have more mature driver software.

What can be considered fail in the GT200 architecture, is being a super sized G80/G92.

Just got my rig built that has gtx280 no complaints here. And can run AoC high full AA , everything turned up max getting 50fps outside town, 30-40 in towns. The Witcher everything turned up no problems either. All in all this is what I wanted - a huge upgrade from my old x1900gt 256mb radeon card. Now I just need a 24in monitor so I can blast the reso through the roof.felenor

Other specs are?

I don't know why nearly everyone is calling this card a failure. It isn't. Just because it doesn't meet and/or exceed expectations doesn't really classify it as a failure. Small steps need to be taken before huge improvements can be made. A single card is being put up against SLI setups, and the 9800gx2 (which is also 2 cards) and showing itself to be not far behind. As far as I see the card itself is a step forward, not backward. There is no other single card that will give you more performance than this one at the moment.

The price may be high for the performance it gives in comparison to more inexpensive setups, but the price will definitely drop sooner or later, giving the card a better value. Besides, no one is forcing anyone to buy it.

I don't know why nearly everyone is calling this card a failure. It isn't. Just because it doesn't meet and/or exceed expectations doesn't really classify it as a failure. Small steps need to be taken before huge improvements can be made. A single card is being put up against SLI setups, and the 9800gx2 (which is also 2 cards) and showing itself to be not far behind. As far as I see the card itself is a step forward, not backward. There is no other single card that will give you more performance than this one at the moment.

The price may be high for the performance it gives in comparison to more inexpensive setups, but the price will definitely drop sooner or later, giving the card a better value. Besides, no one is forcing anyone to buy it.muirplayer

The fact is, the scaling of the architecture is somewhat horrible.
Couple that with the lacking clockspeeds and of course the terrible yeilds and you get failure in every sense of the word.

When you are using 48% more transistors and have a diesize nearly 2x as large as your competitor and it can keep up usually within 15-25% of your performance, that doesn't bode well...

Disregard the architecture for a moment and just look at the performance, which is what people buy cards for.muirplayer

Disregarding the architecture would then disregard everything about the card.
Performance isn't everything especially when the vast majority of people don't play at 1920x1200 or higher resolutions.

Here's the bottom line guys - there is no card that can match this at high res gaming. At 2560x1600 my 9800GX2 got it's ass kicked. Now I can very comfortably run games at this resolution maxed.

Here's the bottom line guys - there is no card that can match this at high res gaming. At 2560x1600 my 9800GX2 got it's ass kicked. Now I can very comfortably run games at this resolution maxed.

mikeblunt2020

You upgraded from a gx2 to an GTX280? O.o

thats just trowing money away...

:roll:

here are a Anandtech's review:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=1

9800gx2 > GTX280 in moust benches... (Yes also in high res.)

[QUOTE="mikeblunt2020"]

Here's the bottom line guys - there is no card that can match this at high res gaming. At 2560x1600 my 9800GX2 got it's ass kicked. Now I can very comfortably run games at this resolution maxed.

swehunt

You upgraded from a gx2 to an GTX280? O.o

thats just trowing money away...

:roll:

here are a Anandtech's review:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=1

9800gx2 > GTX280 in moust benches... (Yes also in high res.)

But not with high AA and AF but I agree that is such a waste.

[QUOTE="muirplayer"]Disregard the architecture for a moment and just look at the performance, which is what people buy cards for.LordEC911

Disregarding the architecture would then disregard everything about the card.
Performance isn't everything especially when the vast majority of people don't play at 1920x1200 or higher resolutions.

Ok.

So now who buys cards for their architecture?

well, before posting i want to say that i dont have anything against anandtech reviews, but 3 days ago i bought a 260gtx to replace my two 8800gt in sli, the performance leap isnt big but is definetly better in every single game for about 10-20fps according to fraps.

In not a computer geek or a hardcore gamer and I havent try other new gen cards besides this ones, but the thing is simple, 260gtx is better than 8800gt sli at least in my system with the following games and resolutions:

Assassins Creed (1440x900)
Crysis (1280x800)
CoD 4 (1280x800)
Grid (1280x800)

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="muirplayer"]Disregard the architecture for a moment and just look at the performance, which is what people buy cards for.muirplayer

Disregarding the architecture would then disregard everything about the card.
Performance isn't everything especially when the vast majority of people don't play at 1920x1200 or higher resolutions.

Ok.

So now who buys cards for their architecture?

You missed the entire point of this thread.

The OP is asking whether GT200 was a failure.

For its associated costs, it is a failure. Yes the performance is great, but it's no where near good enough for a ~576mm^2, 1.4 billion transistor chip.

Think about it: RV770 (XT) is half the size, has almost 500 million less transistors and is more energy efficient, all the while being marginally behind GT200 (280) especially when AA+AF is used.

well, before posting i want to say that i dont have anything against anandtech reviews, but 3 days ago i bought a 260gtx to replace my two 8800gt in sli, the performance leap isnt big but is definetly better in every single game for about 10-20fps according to fraps.

In not a computer geek or a hardcore gamer and I havent try other new gen cards besides this ones, but the thing is simple, 260gtx is better than 8800gt sli at least in my system with the following games and resolutions:

Assassins Creed (1440x900)
Crysis (1280x800)
CoD 4 (1280x800)
Grid (1280x800)

a_r_m_a_n_d_o

It's because you were using SLI on a midget monitor, and thus results were being affected by your CPU load (as it had to manage multi-GPU overhead). :|

Who told you to go for SLI on a resoltion smaller than 1920x1200? Further more, that GTX 260 is overkill as well.

A single 8800 GT would be more than enough at those resolutions.

Bogus Benchmarks are not real life real world comparisons. The 9800 GX2 is the best in Crysis??? I installed FRAPS and with my 9800 gx 2s in quad SLI it was way slower and not as good as my 8800 gtx's but it did bench better. so I took a big loss and got 2 ultras.

you never see tests against the ultras...why? I took one 9800 gx2 out to see if it was a SLI problem , no the card stinks, it has no memory bandwith. so turn up anything and the card gets eaten alive. This test says they are better than the 280 so forget about it. stick with the 8800 gtx or the ultras.

If you have a 21" monitor than any card should be fine and thats where the 9 series shines. As for the 280 I want to see real world compairsons to the 8800ultra

I'm getting Dual 9800 GX2's in my rig here in a few months. Looks like I won't have to worry about my graphics being out-dated for a while...Digital_DJ_00

Good luck with this useless, bad supported and outdated (considering ur getting it in few months) radiator setup ;).

For people who want to buy the cheapest 9800gx2 for 330$ only form newegg

I think at this price, this card is a true bang for buck, even a better deal than ati's hd4870

I know this term has been excruciatingly over used, but.........EPIC FAIL.

I have a feeling Nvidia has a slight form of "PS3 syndrome" where you're so high and mighty about your products because everyone faps all over them and then youslip up and sell half-ass products for a rediculous sum of money.

RinTinTinVan

wow, that has to be the stupidest statement i've read all week, so off based i cant even begin to think your opinion has any merit. The technology in the ps3 wasnt rushed, nor is it being sold for a ridiculous amount of money (maybe your just broke and pissed you cant buy one). If you were to point your finger at a half as$ed console then you might want to aim at the one that has a retarded high failure rate due to poor design and production. Im not saying the Ps3 is superior (both are great consoles) but in your attempt to be witty and sound smart you fail.

as far as the cards go i think i will wait to see. I'm planning on picking up a watercooled GTX280 , but then again when i get the second one and run them in SLI im sure i wont regret my decision.