Has Diablo 2 been dethroned yet?

I think some of you all may be looking through rose-tinted glasses on D2. What about the duping, botting, hacking, enigmas? The skill system encouraged using 1 maybe 2 skills and only a limited viable builds per class. Itemization was similar to the skill system in that each class had their set of gear they achieved and deviated from that very little.

Don't get me wrong. D2 was probably my most played game growing up, but it seems everyone is putting it up on a pedestal as being the perfect ARPG when it's far from it.

Cwagmire21

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I think some of you all may be looking through rose-tinted glasses on D2. What about the duping, botting, hacking, enigmas? The skill system encouraged using 1 maybe 2 skills and only a limited viable builds per class. Itemization was similar to the skill system in that each class had their set of gear they achieved and deviated from that very little.

Don't get me wrong. D2 was probably my most played game growing up, but it seems everyone is putting it up on a pedestal as being the perfect ARPG when it's far from it.

Justforvisit

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[QUOTE="Cwagmire21"]

I think some of you all may be looking through rose-tinted glasses on D2. What about the duping, botting, hacking, enigmas? The skill system encouraged using 1 maybe 2 skills and only a limited viable builds per class. Itemization was similar to the skill system in that each class had their set of gear they achieved and deviated from that very little.

Don't get me wrong. D2 was probably my most played game growing up, but it seems everyone is putting it up on a pedestal as being the perfect ARPG when it's far from it.

DanielDust

While I've spent many hours playing D2, and it's a timeless classic, it's mechanics don't stack up against other arpgs today.

While I've spent many hours playing D2, and it's a timeless classic, it's mechanics don't stack up against other arpgs today.

-Origin-

It is not perfect and it has been outdone in areas (but nothing major), but it is the most well rounded package with some of the best design for skills and such yet. I feel like most ARPG's since its release do one thing great, but not the other parts. It is so unfortunate that Torchlight II holds part of the answer and Diablo III the other.

I have yet to play an iso ARPG with the atmosphere, production values (Voice acting, scenes, and unique art), addicting loot, fun skills, and so on of DII. Grim Dawn has a shot at it, and PoE maybe.

[QUOTE="-Origin-"]

While I've spent many hours playing D2, and it's a timeless classic, it's mechanics don't stack up against other arpgs today.

NaveedLife

It is not perfect and it has been outdone in areas (but nothing major), but it is the most well rounded package with some of the best design for skills and such yet. I feel like most ARPG's since its release do one thing great, but not the other parts. It is so unfortunate that Torchlight II holds part of the answer and Diablo III the other.

I have yet to play an iso ARPG with the atmosphere, production values (Voice acting, scenes, and unique art), addicting loot, fun skills, and so on of DII. Grim Dawn has a shot at it, and PoE maybe.

You're right, it's fantastic! However, when I brought up it's mechanics not stacking up against other arpgs today, I was refering mostly to the PvP and the economy/trading in D2.

You're right, it's fantastic! However, when I brought up it's mechanics not stacking up against other arpgs today, I was refering mostly to the PvP and the economy/trading in D2.

-Origin-

You're definitely right on that one. The PvP was God awful.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="-Origin-"]

While I've spent many hours playing D2, and it's a timeless classic, it's mechanics don't stack up against other arpgs today.

-Origin-

It is not perfect and it has been outdone in areas (but nothing major), but it is the most well rounded package with some of the best design for skills and such yet. I feel like most ARPG's since its release do one thing great, but not the other parts. It is so unfortunate that Torchlight II holds part of the answer and Diablo III the other.

I have yet to play an iso ARPG with the atmosphere, production values (Voice acting, scenes, and unique art), addicting loot, fun skills, and so on of DII. Grim Dawn has a shot at it, and PoE maybe.

You're right, it's fantastic! However, when I brought up it's mechanics not stacking up against other arpgs today, I was refering mostly to the PvP and the economy/trading in D2.

I have not played enough of games like Titan Quest to judge PvP and trading, but...

1. Do any games like this actually have good PvP? I personally couldn't care less. I like the co-op.
2. I know there were bots galore and so on in DII (at least there are now), but even still I had a BLAST trading in DII a couple years ago. I am sure some people hacked and stuff, but honestly all the trades I made were fun and felt legit. I am such a good frikkin trader too! :P I ended with a godly smitadin ;) Loved my EVEXILE.

I hate how trading has gone to hell with the AH in DIII. I love bartering with people and such.