Hatred - new IP

It's a theme park ride in which you can be naughty. Seems obvious.

Gaming has been pussyfied. Even showing a woman in a short skirt can cause offense. This game will benefit humanity greatly. They should use kickstarter, that would really piss off the paper crusaders who currently pollute the gaming media.

I was about to ask how it would benefit humanity but I really don't want to know what's going on in that dark demented head of yours.

There is a difference is showing a woman in a short skirt and a game that the whole objective is brutal mass murder of innocent people. I'm not suggesting that it's going to turn right minded people into killers. I'm saying that it could influence the weak minded unstable people...or maybe not, there is really no way to know. Either way I think you're sick in the head if you think a game like this would have any benefit to humanity.

Not everyone are the same, we all have different thoughts, opinion and ideas.

This would be a fun game for me, I'm one of those type of people who enjoy Final Destination movies in a different way - I enjoy watching the people slaughtered in creative ways, just like the reason why Final Destination and Saw movies are so popular - people enjoy this stuff.

But I do agree some people are influenced easily as I said not all people are equal.

I remember the joy that spread through me in 4th grade when I was at the lunch table and someone told me that there was this game called Mortal Kombat that was like real people in Street Fighter but you could rip their head off and their spinal cord would be hanging out and blood flies all over the place. This game triggers some of that. I probably wouldn't buy it unless it was super cheap but if it was on PS+ I'd definitely download it and probably have like 4 or 5 hours of fun just like I did with Hotline Miami.

A lot of that trailer just made me laugh, especially the monologue. It's so hokey and then it has this ultra violence psycho gameplay. I definitely understand why some people wouldn't want to play it though.

The backlash is silly. Tons of games come out where you get weapons and then go out and slaughter countless waves of people. The notion that some game shouldn't exist because you don't like the subject matter (subject matter that games have been doing since the 80s) is dumb. I really don't get it when it comes from folk and outlets that praised Hotline Miami though. That was just about some dude who took some drugs, got phone calls that might have been hallucinated, and then went on murder sprees and much of the games press was all, "this is amazing" while banging some cop's head against the ground until it pixel exploded.

This is a completely different thing. It's not a combat competition fighting game that's 1 on 1 with crazy over the top fatalities that are obviously not the least bit realistic. I mean taking off your mask to show your really skeleton ninja and shooting fire out of your mouth to burn up your enemy is a lot different than what you see in this video. I don't think many people believe that a game like this would turn you into a serial killer. However there are a lot of unstable people out there and you don't know that they wouldn't be influenced by a much more realistic game such as this.

Has GTA 5 been linked to influence or cause people to rob banks? That game is a lot more realistic looking than this one. GTA 5 is a much more popular title, too. It'd be much more efficient to tackle that game's effect on society as opposed to this indie title that nobody has even heard of...

GTA does not have the brutality of that trailer. And it's a different thing and how would anyone know if gta has influenced anyone anyway.... GTA is a game based on crime this is about brutal mass murder of innocent people.

Disagree all you like but we are talking about two different things here.

GTA doesn't have you mass murder innocent people? Jesus christ, go play the game again, please let me know how you beat the game without killing hundreds of innocent people...I'm genuinely curious. I don't remember any "diplomacy" options in the missions where you're murdering cops (protectors of society), bank security, etc...

I don't know dude. GTA 5 is pretty fucking brutal. You can stab grandmas in the face and they'll scream bloody murder. You even often get rewarded with money for it (the contents of her purse), so you can't claim that it's not actually part of the game.

Two different things...lol...in what universe? Because GTA 5's title references stealing cars instead of murdering mass amounts of people (which is what you ACTUALLY do in GTA), you think we're talking about two different things? You're being a tool, dude. So if you could commit other forms of crime in Hatred other than kill people, then the game is automatically OKAY versus only dealing in killing? Funny argument you have there...being able to commit multiple types of crime in a game is more acceptable than only being able to commit a single type of crime because you can commit more diverse crime? Right....

Well I have to be honest and say I have not played that gta trash in a long time....always thought they were overrated crap. But as I remember it, it was a story based crime game with an open world....not a run around and kill as many innocent as possible kind of game. Look at that trailer...is that gta? You can lol until you're blue in the face they are different games.

That said how would you know if someone were influenced by the game?

Only I never said gta was ok.....I have no respect for that trash either. And from what I have seen gta is not nearly as realistic and brutal as what you see in that trailer.

Hatred looks far from realistic. Looks desaturated like it takes place in some dark, gothic, comic-styled version of reality (like The Crow), whereas GTA 5 actually looks pretty freaking close to real life LA and actually has a lot of real-life details to it. GTA 5 also has Euphoria governing the animations, making the death seem more realistic and grisly than most games. Furthermore, the main character in Hatred is depicted as being some sort of super-human (who can shoot a shotgun with no recoil with one hand), unlike GTA 5, where your character behaves more like a real life person with normal attributes, rather than a comic-book character.

I mean, terrorists use GTA 5 as a recruitment tool because the game is that realistic. Hatred? It's got good graphics (it seems) but I don't think they were going for realism.

(Accidentally deleted a previous post which contained the link, but I highly recommend people watch Penn & Teller's episode on the bullshit regarding violent videogames)

I disagree but I'm on the phone with crappy dell support then have to pick up my daughter from school so I gtg.

This may sound crazy, but you may be onto something. The logic behind this ran through my head before you even mentioned it. In GTA and other similar games (Hitman, Saints Row, Far Cry, Just Cause, etc.), the killing of unarmed civilians is usually either a choice that the player makes on the side while serving a larger purpose in the game, or such a minimal point that it is insignificant (time spent mindlessly murdering innocents is likely much, much less than the time spent completing goals). The goal may be to get from the bank to your house. This doesn't mean the player is forced into shooting and stabbing as many people as he can along the way to get rewarded for the contents of old women's purses. Your claim is an a propriori, that players are invited to shoot and stab hookers, as if that's what everyone is supposed to do, is inherently flawed (This is pretty much the same claim Whats-her-face (Gamergate crap, idk) said about Hitman). The purpose of the game is to get from point A to point B; the games just offer a lot more freedom to break from linear gameplay. Other games tell stories, serve goals, and offer fun based in competition, whether violent or not. Violence in itself is not at all issue here (for me). It's the way the violence is portrayed and the motivation behind it. I know recency biases may be at play here, considering all the movie theater and school shootings in the past couple years, so keep that in mind.

Secondly, I realize the game is not "realistic" in its interpretation of the real world. The world is not set to grayscale, and giant goth guys can't akimbo-fire 12 gauge shotguns without recoil. On the other hand, this game has no other motivation; the only purpose is that the guy just wants to kill as many innocent people as possible. The difference between this and GTA in terms of relation to the real world effects influenced by inspiration is that few people have the motivation, let alone the planning ability, to successfully complete a bank heist. There is skill involved in planning a bank robbery (I should know, I'm an expert). Also, robbing a bank would also infer that the ones attempting the heist have other motives, such as staying alive and getting away safely to actually, you know, spend that money they just worked so hard to steal. With this game, it's a relatively accessible game plan. Anyone could just wake up one day really pissed with life, grab a gun, and blow away as many innocent muhfuggas as he can before turning the gun on himself. This is a creative choice of the developer, and I do not disagree with allowing them to do as they please, but I have become pussified over the years and feel that this could become some sort of creative inspiration for a delinquent with sociopathic, perhaps schizoid tendencies and strong beliefs about what should and should not be (like Anders Breivik, who wrote 2083: A European Declaration of Independence), to attempt to reenact some of the behavior portrayed in this game.

I'm not discrediting your opinion or the opinion of anyone else here. I don't feel that anything you said is completely right or wrong. I'm probably looking too far into this, but I just feel that this game will almost certainly be worse than Naughty Bear. The replay value in that game was just abysmal at best. TOTAL DEFLUFFICATION was the only thing going for it.

I think it obvious the game is going for shock value over substance. The trailer literally only shows police officers, women, and black people getting executed close up...arguable the 3 groups of people that would cause the most controversy aside from children.

Looks like it's working though, I was so unsettled by the trailer I almost overlooked the bad graphics and repetitive gameplay demonstrated.

Cant way for this. Games like this and Heavy Metal is why i am so calm all the time. Im not joking, its like therapy against frustration and idiots.

Not really my thing but the butthurt it is creating is glorious.

As someone who was kind of interested in rainbow six patriots, I say let them do it. But I wouldn't be playing it though. And they would probably need to sell it by themselves without gog or steam. Though they may have a chance with gog.

And the true nutjobs of GameSpot are brought into the light...

I saw people bring up Postal.

I played Postal 2, not the original one, and though it had some disturbing stuff it was also really wacky. Putting people on fire and pissing on them to put out the fire, using cats as silencers....

This doesn't have anything wacky to it. It's just about murdering innocent people... Innocent virtual people sure, but there is nothing here that would attract me in this game.

Sure everyone runs over people in GTA some times, or tries shooting civilians in war games. But that is not the main draw of those games, it's just to see how far the devs will let us go.

This game is just controversial for the sake of sparking interest. It looks like a boring game, not worth anyone's time.

I hope what was shown isn't all that you do, they sure brought attention to the game, it's now the time to show us new gameplay mechanic or some storyline.

At the current state it reminds me alot of Red Nation - only it's with real people and not zombies.

some mentally disturbed person is gonna get this game then act this out in real life. this is the sad part.

Edgy.

America having shooting every 6+ months is most likely due to the ease in which guns (the actual thing that allows death at the push a button) can be acquired. As well as just an arrogant culture. For the rest of us (e.g here in Britain) we have hardly any. And none of them had a single of thing to do with video games.

Just a scape goat. Like when America attempted to make out Sputnik 1 was indication of evil technology when it was just Russia being ahead in the space race. This was of course, regardless of the fact that America, and America only, was the only country to kill mass cities with nuclear weapons just prior to it.

The arrogance of thinking is it must be an external source, not willing to look inward rather than outward. This game will ultimately benefit us all in the long run by promoting freedom of expression against all the hipster gaming media trying to enforce a way of thinking on the masses. In many ways, what the developers have done is heroic.

Can't we just leave the political bullsh*t out of the PC gaming section? I'm pretty sure there is an Off Topic section for your political conspiracies.

The guns don't force people to go on a rampage. There is no mind control that comes from guns...there is a much larger problem. It's a mental health issue...

And please stop the US bashing....save that for the rest of your far left whack jobs friends on the off topic board.

Since some are defending this game which supports murders and massacres on a large scale and the game has already a few supporters, wouldn't that game be just a game? Don't judge a game by its cover as some would say.

Going to be a circus after the next mass shooting when this game is pulled of the killer's computer.

It's refreshing to see a game be upfront and honest with its source material instead of give us some shallow, transparent context to go on so as to make us feel good about going on just as bad genocidal rampages. What sends a worse message: that it's perfectly acceptable to slaughter many, many people because the protagonist is searching for treasure, or attempting to climb a criminal enterprise, etc, or that someone is slaughtering innocents out of hate or because they wish to? Especially when the former violence is highly censored while the later is explicitly not? What sends a more acceptable (and hence dangerous) message about violence here? Nearly all games today trivialize murder. Hatred doesn't. It makes no concessions for what it entails and the extreme nature of it. I think that should be applauded. What astonishes me is that people are perfectly OK with mass killing in games as long as they are handed paper thin rationales simply there to be able to do nothing more than justify it, yet this game, which makes no apologies and confronts us with what we're really dealing with, should be discouraged and frowned upon?

It's about time to view the action of murder in gaming for what it truly represents, context or no. Let's confront it, not sugar coat it and object to it when it's not. Let's not pretend to hide the most horrific of acts behind bullshit context to belittle it so as to then be able to deem it acceptable and fun. I find that to be a far more dangerous a message to send to people than what Hatred is doing. That it is causing so much uproar amongst gamers is very healthy and good to see. In fact, this game may go to help combat the stigma of gamers being anti-social, psychopathic minded losers. It could turn out to be a huge unintentional advocate for anti-violence in gaming.

Doubtful, but perhaps this is the real goal of the developers? Regardless, Hatred makes a large statement in its distinction from other games in its portrayal of violence, and it is creating healthy discourse about a subject in gaming that should be discussed in how far the line can be stretched until it is crossed. If I can't appreciate or respect this game in any other way, I can for that at least.

i love the idea, but dont like the way graphics or the protagonist looks, idk i would give it a shot since there are not many games like this

i also hate the fact an ip gets backlashed, this game will be banned in many countries probably than you complain how every game is same, meh...

A top-down, real-time shooter where you play as a individual rather than a party sounds interesting. I won't pick Hatred up though because that protagonist grosses me out. Not my thing.

GTA isn't a TJ Lane fantasy.

That's the difference.

Eh, this type of thing panders to our worst type of impulses IMO. I don't see the appeal at all, just like those torture-porn movies of late and GoT/grimdark fantasy. I don't do casual brutality, the world is full of horrible people doing horrible things to others. I don't need that s*** in my "entertainment".

That being said and my opinion that anyone who gets enjoyment out of this s*** has obvious sociopathic tendencies. Regardless, that trailer is is purely exploiting media outrage to get attention to sell their product. And it has done so fairly well.

The game looks ok from what I see in the trailer which is not much, so really we don't know much else about the game on things weather there are more gameplay mechanics or a story of some sort.

The video is private...

LOL too much violence I'll replace it with a new source.

Nazi devs? f^ck this game? wow, would you kindly care to explain why?

Maybe they're just trying to get more people attention for the growing number of these incidents?

Each person on it's own, for some it might help.

Reminds me of the Wanted comic book just less cool or even less graphic.

I completely agree. With school shooting / converting to Islam for jihad being the new fad for the mentally jacked up in the head, do we really need to encourage trash like this game? There is no way of knowing exactly how it might affect some people's actions....like I said before not everyone is easily influenced but there are some weak minded dark people out there that don't need encouragement towards random shooting sprees.

Nothing positive comes from trash like this and it makes video games and the gamers look like a bunch of antisocial, violent, ass hats....especially considering all the crap going on right now.

would this version be less offensive

LOL it's like CS for KIDS. YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Oh so you must hate GTA also? Shelter me..