HD3850 vs 8600GT

PLEASE BAN THINKER. HE THINKS TOO MUCH AND HURTS EVERYONES HEAD9mmSpliff

Please knowledgeable (Or not knowledgeable but NON-BIASED AND NON-IGNORANT) people,leave this board,this place is corrupt as hell if they unban a NVIDIA fanboy.

PLEASE BAN THINKER. HE THINKS TOO MUCH AND HURTS EVERYONES HEAD9mmSpliff

That's what we want, people who don't think on here.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]PLEASE BAN THINKER. HE THINKS TOO MUCH AND HURTS EVERYONES HEADruuuj

LOL. It's true though. My heart seriously skipped a beat when I glanced at this thread.. looked across the page to "Last Post" and there it was.... Thinker_145....

[QUOTE="ruuuj"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]PLEASE BAN THINKER. HE THINKS TOO MUCH AND HURTS EVERYONES HEADIndestructible2

LOL. It's true though. My heart seriously skipped a beat when I glanced at this thread.. looked across the page to "Last Post" and there it was.... Thinker_145....

Rofl... I don't think I can take this... I can't bear listening to anymore of it's utter crap... I'm off to bed. I'll leave you l33t people to try and control the thing...

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]PLEASE BAN THINKER. HE THINKS TOO MUCH AND HURTS EVERYONES HEADIndestructible2

Please knowledgeable (Or not knowledgeable but NON-BIASED AND NON-IGNORANT) people,leave this board,this place is corrupt as hell if they unban a NVIDIA fanboy.

I unintentionally provided someone with a way to pirate crysis.That was the reason.You seriously think that i would get banned for well my PC hardware forum posting?:?

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]PLEASE BAN THINKER. HE THINKS TOO MUCH AND HURTS EVERYONES HEADThinker_145

Please knowledgeable (Or not knowledgeable but NON-BIASED AND NON-IGNORANT) people,leave this board,this place is corrupt as hell if they unban a NVIDIA fanboy.

I unintentionally provided someone with a way to pirate crysis.That was the reason.You seriously think that i would get banned for well my PC hardware forum posting?:?

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]PLEASE BAN THINKER. HE THINKS TOO MUCH AND HURTS EVERYONES HEADIndestructible2

Please knowledgeable (Or not knowledgeable but NON-BIASED AND NON-IGNORANT) people,leave this board,this place is corrupt as hell if they unban a NVIDIA fanboy.

I unintentionally provided someone with a way to pirate crysis.That was the reason.You seriously think that i would get banned for well my PC hardware forum posting?:?

I emailed gamespot customer support and they told me this and then i provided them the reason that it was unintentional and the ban was lifted.

Man, you guys are brutal. Give the guy a break. This is a public forum where anyone can come and ask questions and defend their beliefs about topics. If someone's wrong, tell them. But be civil about it for **** sake. Fignewton50

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]Man, you guys are brutal. Give the guy a break. This is a public forum where anyone can come and ask questions and defend their beliefs about topics. If someone's wrong, tell them. But be civil about it for **** sake. 9mmSpliff

And why are you making such a fuss.Please dont get me started on that BS.Using old reviews?LOL your supposed bigshots have used old reviews MANY times to defend their argument.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]Man, you guys are brutal. Give the guy a break. This is a public forum where anyone can come and ask questions and defend their beliefs about topics. If someone's wrong, tell them. But be civil about it for **** sake. 9mmSpliff

People are wrong on here all the time. A lot of the topics here are subjective and very debatable. People who consider themselves "big shot PC hardware people" should do a better job of imparting their knowledge and helping people learn instead of berating people for being wrong or having differing views.

PC Hardware is a very complex and constantly evolving topic and most people are because of the common interest in the subject and the desire to discuss and learn.

People are wrong on here all the time. A lot of the topics here are subjective and very debatable. People who consider themselves "big shot PC hardware people" should do a better job of imparting their knowledge and helping people learn instead of berating people for being wrong or having differing views.

PC Hardware is a very complex and constantly evolving topic and most people are because of the common interest in the subject and the desire to discuss and learn.

Fignewton50

Anwyays, Im out of here as I got warned. So no more for me.

This guy is really pushing me over the edge and well I really cant believe hes still around. Anyways, good luck with this thread, hope all people enjoy this fanboy and his lack of knowledge and his great knowledge of misinformation. I wouldnt listen to him if I were you.

Anyways, enjoy Thinker everyone. Im out.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="Fignewton50"]Man, you guys are brutal. Give the guy a break. This is a public forum where anyone can come and ask questions and defend their beliefs about topics. If someone's wrong, tell them. But be civil about it for **** sake. Fignewton50

People are wrong on here all the time. A lot of the topics here are subjective and very debatable. People who consider themselves "big shot PC hardware people" should do a better job of imparting their knowledge and helping people learn instead of berating people for being wrong or having differing views.

PC Hardware is a very complex and constantly evolving topic and most people are because of the common interest in the subject and the desire to discuss and learn.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

People are wrong on here all the time. A lot of the topics here are subjective and very debatable. People who consider themselves "big shot PC hardware people" should do a better job of imparting their knowledge and helping people learn instead of berating people for being wrong or having differing views.

PC Hardware is a very complex and constantly evolving topic and most people are because of the common interest in the subject and the desire to discuss and learn.

9mmSpliff

Anwyays, Im out of here as I got warned. So no more for me.

This guy is really pushing me over the edge and well I really cant believe hes still around. Ill just have to write an email to Gamespot. Anyways, good luck with this thread, hope all people enjoy this fanboy and his lack of knowledge and his great knowledge of misinformation. I wouldnt listen to him if I were you.

Anyways, enjoy Thinker everyone. Im out.

Fair enough. This is a public forum. People with limited knowledge and loyalties to one company or another are always going to come here and will never go away. If that frustrates you then a union of more serious gamers is definitely the place for you. I just hate to see any type of "ownership" of the forum from regulars here. Everyone is welcome to come and discuss and has the right not to be ridiculed for a lack of knowledge.

I am the leader of my union, but came as a Officer and then had the Union given to me.

I used to be a pretty heavy duty gamer, but have stopped playing CAL. I now just pub and sometimes scrim in UT or CSS. But I am more into hardware then serious gaming now. IF by serious you mean competitive. If not, then yes I am serious at gaming. 9mmSpliff

I purchased a Powercolor HD3850 512MB 720/900 for just under £115 and I must say its awesome for its price. I'm running Crysis all High at 1280 x 720 with a min of 25 FPS fantasic. I doubt it compares to the 8600GT I don't know, I havent seen anywhere, I have seen however the HD3850 compared to the 384MB/768MB 8800GS as well as the 256MB 8800GT, Your best bet is checking Tom's Hardware on GPU scores of 2007 and then I suppose its all down to you and your wallet. If it were me to say though, then if you can afford it get the 512MB verson of the HD3850.

All the 8600GT benchmarks were done around April 2007 with horrible drivers. Those charts show that the 8600GT gets the same performance or a little better then a 7600GT. Theres new drivers out now that make a huge difference over those dated drivers. So those reviews are old. I couldn't even max Unreal Tournament 3 @ 1024x768 with a solid 30fps (with a 7600GT) now I play UT3 maxed @ 1280x1024 with a solid 40fps. Also Crytek released a new patch for Crysis with increased SLI performance and two 8600GT's own a single HD3850 using that patch.
nVidiaGaMer

[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="tequilasunriser"][QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]The HD3850 gets around 16,000-17,000 in 3DMark05. I get 10,500 with one XFX XXX 8600GT. When I SLI them I will be getting over 20,000. In 3DMark06 I get 5760. The HD3850 gets around 9000-10000. With SLI 8600GT's I will get around 10,000-11,000. The 8600GT I got was $79 after rebate. I will be getting another one so it actaually costs less after rebates then one HD3850. And XFX has a double lifetime warrenty.yoyo462001

Its kind of funny that a HD3850 gets under 30fps in a 3 year old game like Oblivion on max settings @ 1280x1024. 8600GT in SLI gets 40 fps.

EDIT- every benchmark ive been strolling through shows the 3850 getting for the most part double the performance of a single 8600gt doesn't look like sli can compete with this one since your not gettings double the performance its most like 30-60%

LOL I was going to say the SAME DAMN THING! but chose the latter in the end.

EDIT: I was going to use the Anand benches though.

I'm going to make 2 suggestions about your comment:

First, read the quoted field again.

Second, actually follow my link, it says "Anand," so I'm not sure how you were confused on where it leads...

P.S. After looking at your sig I realize why you are so defensive. :P

The HD3850 gets around 16,000-17,000 in 3DMark05. I get 10,500 with one XFX XXX 8600GT. When I SLI them I will be getting over 20,000. In 3DMark06 I get 5760. The HD3850 gets around 9000-10000. With SLI 8600GT's I will get around 10,000-11,000. The 8600GT I got was $79 after rebate. I will be getting another one so it actaually costs less after rebates then one HD3850. And XFX has a double lifetime warrenty.nVidiaGaMer

Just because you go SLi/CrossFire, it doesn't mean that you get double the 3DMark points.

EDIT: What? Thinker is back? :| Fark sake, not again...

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]All the 8600GT benchmarks were done around April 2007 with horrible drivers. Those charts show that the 8600GT gets the same performance or a little better then a 7600GT. Theres new drivers out now that make a huge difference over those dated drivers. So those reviews are old. I couldn't even max Unreal Tournament 3 @ 1024x768 with a solid 30fps (with a 7600GT) now I play UT3 maxed @ 1280x1024 with a solid 40fps. Also Crytek released a new patch for Crysis with increased SLI performance and two 8600GT's own a single HD3850 using that patch.
mastershake575

OMG mastershake your like on every topic that I'm always on. Plus you always challenge what I have to say. :roll:

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]The HD3850 gets around 16,000-17,000 in 3DMark05. I get 10,500 with one XFX XXX 8600GT. When I SLI them I will be getting over 20,000. In 3DMark06 I get 5760. The HD3850 gets around 9000-10000. With SLI 8600GT's I will get around 10,000-11,000. The 8600GT I got was $79 after rebate. I will be getting another one so it actaually costs less after rebates then one HD3850. And XFX has a double lifetime warrenty.Wesker776

Just because you go SLi/CrossFire, it doesn't mean that you get double the 3DMark points.

EDIT: What? Thinker is back? :| Fark sake, not again...

It almost doubles. I remember having 6800Ultra in SLI and scoring 11,000 in 3DMark03 with one then getting SLI and scoring 19,000+. It may not double but it almost does.

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]All the 8600GT benchmarks were done around April 2007 with horrible drivers. Those charts show that the 8600GT gets the same performance or a little better then a 7600GT. Theres new drivers out now that make a huge difference over those dated drivers. So those reviews are old. I couldn't even max Unreal Tournament 3 @ 1024x768 with a solid 30fps (with a 7600GT) now I play UT3 maxed @ 1280x1024 with a solid 40fps. Also Crytek released a new patch for Crysis with increased SLI performance and two 8600GT's own a single HD3850 using that patch.
nVidiaGaMer

OMG mastershake your like on every topic that I'm always on. Plus you always challenge what I have to say. :roll:

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]All the 8600GT benchmarks were done around April 2007 with horrible drivers. Those charts show that the 8600GT gets the same performance or a little better then a 7600GT. Theres new drivers out now that make a huge difference over those dated drivers. So those reviews are old. I couldn't even max Unreal Tournament 3 @ 1024x768 with a solid 30fps (with a 7600GT) now I play UT3 maxed @ 1280x1024 with a solid 40fps. Also Crytek released a new patch for Crysis with increased SLI performance and two 8600GT's own a single HD3850 using that patch.
mastershake575

OMG mastershake your like on every topic that I'm always on. Plus you always challenge what I have to say. :roll:

Maybe your right.

[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]The HD3850 gets around 16,000-17,000 in 3DMark05. I get 10,500 with one XFX XXX 8600GT. When I SLI them I will be getting over 20,000. In 3DMark06 I get 5760. The HD3850 gets around 9000-10000. With SLI 8600GT's I will get around 10,000-11,000. The 8600GT I got was $79 after rebate. I will be getting another one so it actaually costs less after rebates then one HD3850. And XFX has a double lifetime warrenty.nVidiaGaMer

Just because you go SLi/CrossFire, it doesn't mean that you get double the 3DMark points.

EDIT: What? Thinker is back? :| Fark sake, not again...

It almost doubles. I remember having 6800Ultra in SLI and scoring 11,000 in 3DMark03 with one then getting SLI and scoring 19,000+. It may not double but it almost does.

3DMark scores are horrible benchmarks for actual game performance, its basically good for judging one GFX setup against another JUST for 3DMark. Thats why any respectable site not only uses 3DMark but actual games for their benches.

1. I know the HD3850 is allot better but is it worth spending the extra $100?

(Ceapest 8600GT $97 US, Cheapest HD3850 $195 US..in Australia)

2. Also is the a difference in graphics not just performance?

3. And if im going to spend an extra $100 bucks i could afford to get 2 8600GT's and set up SLI....is that a better idea ?

4. Or is there a price cut coming soon or a new budget card i should wait for?

cyprusxx

if your from the US you can buy a 3850 for about $160

alsao the 3850 is alot better then the 8600

buy it i play crysis on high with some stuff on medium at 12X10 at about 25-30FPS

3DMark scores are horrible benchmarks for actual game performance, its basically good for judging one GFX setup against another JUST for 3DMark. Thats why any respectable site not only uses 3DMark but actual games for their benches.

tequilasunriser

Look, I don't **** play 3DMark, so parroting off some 3DMark score is **** useless. So is using GLExcess as a parameter of performance. I play Half Life 2, Doom 3, Quake 3, actual games! It's not like you guys haven't tweaked your drivers to get an artificially boosted 3DMark score, either. Remember quack3 ?

Care to tell me where i have ever been proven wrong.>Thinker_145

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Care to tell me where i have ever been proven wrong.>Lilgunney612

How exactly is he proven wrong there? Whether or not it is worth $50 to have someone build a computer for you is completely subjective. How is there a right or wrong answer? For some, it's totally worth it while others would never dream of paying someone do it for them. It's all a matter of opinion.

[QUOTE="Lilgunney612"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Care to tell me where i have ever been proven wrong.>Fignewton50

How exactly is he proven wrong there? Whether or not it is worth $50 to have someone build a computer for you is completely subjective. How is there a right or wrong answer? For some, it's totally worth it while others would never dream of paying someone do it for them. It's all a matter of opinion.

You should read the entire thread and you will see why he asked that.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Care to tell me where i have ever been proven wrong.>Lilgunney612

The only real argument was that people like to build their own PC's and actually like to face problems.And i never actually said that pre-built PC's are better than custom made even though there was an argument about pre-built PC's you would find me never praising pre-builts.This argument is so subjective nobody can be proven wrong in this.You cannot unfortunately understand that.

To the OP...

You might also want to consider the HD2900Pro as well. It's a little more power hungry than the HD3850, but cheaper...

SAPPHIRE 100222L Radeon HD 2900PRO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 $159.99

as opposed to...

SAPPHIRE 100226L Radeon HD 3850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 $184.99

The HD2900Pro is roughly as strong as the 8800GTS 320MB, or the HD3850...as long as your PSU is up for it...

A quick reference page ---->LINK

I have a Sapphire HD3850 256mb. Yesterday I installed OmegaDrivers and patch 1.2 for Crysis. I realized I was getting a pretty large fps boost, so decided to turn up the graphics and see how it went. I turned everything to high @ 1440x900 resolution, and to my suprise, was staying on or above 30 fps (this is on the first level). I ran the GPU benchmark and got an average fps of 29.6.:o If I would have tried these settings with retail Crysis and 7.11 Catalyst Drivers, I would get like 10-20 fps, no joke.

Moral of the story, as time goes on 3850 performance is going up, and price is going down. A nice combination.:D

Course 8800 gt prices are coming down too.:P

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]The HD3850 gets around 16,000-17,000 in 3DMark05. I get 10,500 with one XFX XXX 8600GT. When I SLI them I will be getting over 20,000. In 3DMark06 I get 5760. The HD3850 gets around 9000-10000. With SLI 8600GT's I will get around 10,000-11,000. The 8600GT I got was $79 after rebate. I will be getting another one so it actaually costs less after rebates then one HD3850. And XFX has a double lifetime warrenty.nVidiaGaMer

Its kind of funny that a HD3850 gets under 30fps in a 3 year old game like Oblivion on max settings @ 1280x1024. 8600GT in SLI gets 40 fps.

Uh, what are you taking about. I run oblivion @1440x900 max settings and I get nothing below 40 fps, but most of the time I'm at 60 fps (vsync). Also, Oblivion is definetly one of the most demanding games out there, mostly due to the fact that the coding is pretty darn junky.

Oh, I just saw your screename, now it all makes sense....

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]The HD3850 gets around 16,000-17,000 in 3DMark05. I get 10,500 with one XFX XXX 8600GT. When I SLI them I will be getting over 20,000. In 3DMark06 I get 5760. The HD3850 gets around 9000-10000. With SLI 8600GT's I will get around 10,000-11,000. The 8600GT I got was $79 after rebate. I will be getting another one so it actaually costs less after rebates then one HD3850. And XFX has a double lifetime warrenty.vishesh1557

Its kind of funny that a HD3850 gets under 30fps in a 3 year old game like Oblivion on max settings @ 1280x1024. 8600GT in SLI gets 40 fps.

Uh, what are you taking about. I run oblivion @1440x900 max settings and I get nothing below 40 fps, but most of the time I'm at 60 fps (vsync). Also, Oblivion is definetly one of the most demanding games out there, mostly due to the fact that the coding is pretty darn junky.

Oh, I just saw your screename, now it all makes sense....

this is just my humble opinion. I've just recently upgrade to a 3870 from a 1900xtx. For all I know the 1900xtx is faster than the 8600gt or gts. I used to get around 26,27 FPS on an x1900xtx on crysis with all thing on high and res at 1024x768. With the 3870 i get 42 fps at 12x10. Also my old 3dmrk06 score was around 6500 and with the new card i got 11000 so i actually got a pretty big boost over the x1900xtx at least 70% boost for sure. I'll try other games later to be sure tho.