HD-DVD is winning

Two Toshiba HD-DVD players are #5 and 6 in sales rank on amazon.com. The Blu-Ray players being sold have sales ranks of more than 500.

HD-DVD is owning blu-Ray

Here is the link if you don't believe me

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/1036922/ref=pd_ts_e_nav/002-8785870-5083238?pf_rd_m=

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I'm an HD-DVD supporter, but to say HD-DVD is owning BR is silly.

Last I saw BR is still outselling HD-DVD.  No ownage in that.

This war is a tweener in the format wars, it'll change around the turn of the decade.

I hope that blu ray will win, more storage and double coating sounds nice.

hmm ... last time i looked i though Blu-ray was winning ...

 http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/  

 http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp?view=1&userid=99365516372338  

I don't think that either format will "win" we will soon be seeing dual format players, so in theory both companies could keep producing both formats...jonkirst

I don't think that either format will "win" we will soon be seeing dual format players, so in theory both companies could keep producing both formats...

kodai, we get it. you want to bolster your Sony stock, so you'll say anything to get BluRay out there. We get it. Now can you please step aside and let the more informed people post more (un)biased information?

Yes HD DVD is winning today, then BD might win tomorrow

Especially now with HD DVD actually getting some decent releases and dropping the price on the standalone players it should hopefully pick up steam again in the coming months

Yes HD DVD is winning today, then BD might win tomorrow ... heck who knows. Its going to go back and forth for awhile. Especially now with HD DVD actually getting some decent releases and dropping the price on the standalone players it should hopefully pick up steam again in the coming months.BlacKJaCK2290

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]Yes HD DVD is winning today, then BD might win tomorrow ... heck who knows. Its going to go back and forth for awhile. Especially now with HD DVD actually getting some decent releases and dropping the price on the standalone players it should hopefully pick up steam again in the coming months.ramey70

My point is you don't know for sure if half of the PS3 owners are watching Blu Ray. Most people don't yet even own a HDTV. HD DVD owned Blu Ray all through last year in terms of sales, now BD has 2 solid months and everyone is jumping the gun saying its over. Simmer down, HD DVD can still come back especially since the HD-A2 is cheaper then the 20gb PS3 by $100.

kodai, with your posting tone and drive and these "facts" without citing a source for them, how can we be sure anything you say isn't just flying out of your ass? You mention the Nielsen VideoScan... is there a link that details this data? What is their criteria in finding out who buys HD-DVD/BluRay for whatever reasons?

kodai, with your posting tone and drive and these "facts" without citing a source for them, how can we be sure anything you say isn't just flying out of your ass? You mention the Nielsen VideoScan... is there a link that details this data? What is their criteria in finding out who buys HD-DVD/BluRay for whatever reasons?

Nielsen(the same one that does TV) VideoScan is, and has been the standard tracker for retail sales./rental for the entire video industry for about 20 years now. They get the reports from the retailers about what's been sold and report it. Home Media Retailing publishes the "war report" every week that shows the current numbers http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom031807/ is the current issue. Bottom of the front page after the cover

Your postings (well, every single one of them) just seem to speak of the same kind of tone of someone that is either a fanboy themselves, or has a vested interest in seeing one side get more mind share and dollars than another. Have you even watched HD-DVD content? Be it from a dedicated player or an Xbox 360 add-on drive?

On a $4000 projector, from a Toshiba HD-A1 There is nothing inherently wrong with the technology. It's simply doomed in the marketplace for lack of exclusive titles and redundancy. Blu-Ray does everything just as well and has the backing of the entire industry but Toshiba and Universal. That alone dooms it.

You continue to have these ranting fits about how different stores like Best Buy try to crock someone into a buy for a different product, yet of the various electronics stores, I at least feel more likely to get an *honest* and believable answer from someone that knows their stuff in best buy than I feel like I would get from any store like Circuit City that pays their employees in commission

CC stopped paying commission like 5 years ago I was a video buyer for several years, and I still know lots and lots of people who work on the production of DVDs (and now BR/HD), and so I hear how things are blowing. You don't need insider information to put together "60% of all movies exclusive to BR, 5 exclusive studios vs 1, the entire industry vs Toshiba, and figure out how things are going to end up, and I've been saying this since before either one launched. The word onthe street is that Uni/Warner/Paramount are required to release HD-DVDs until May of next year, and after that, the format will simply dry up and vanish.

And as of yet, I've yet to see a single post from you ( kodai_kun ) that *doesn't* sound like a total sales pitch, or you getting angry and pissy at someone that happens to have a different opinion/experience from you.

Because they're simply, and demonstrably wrong. Claims of things like a universal player? This has been about who collectis $10 billion+ in royalties over the next decade from the get-go. Toshiba had the lion's share of DVD royalties, and when the content providers didn't like their format got all huffy and refused to play nice wit hthe other children. So Sony, in a very unusual magnaimous gesture gave them what they were asking for, and rallied the studios around them. You'll see funny posts from fanboys like "Well, all the DVD forum members voted for HD-DVD, and then treacheried and went to BR, which was never even proposed as an alternative". Neglecting of course the fact that A- A lot of them weren't AT that meeting, B- Under the bylaws, absenteeism is counted as a "yes" vote, and C- To be proposed as an HD-DVD standard it had to be able to be replicateable on existing presses with minimal retooling. This is a pissing contest between Toshiba, who while being good at a lot of aspects of development, is a rather small presence in the US electronics scene, and Sony, the supergiant and their other 800ton gorilla brothers. You know the whole "HD-DVD comes to Circuit City" thing? Well, they'd carried the discs before, and this is a general deal to carry Toshiba HARDWARE, that they managed to spin.

Kodai, sounds like your whole rant is about Toshiba as a company rather than the HD DVD spec and format itself. Forgive me if i'm wrong, but i don't believe that you have a "$4000 Projector hooked up a HD-A1".

Where did I say I had it. He asked me if I'd seen it, and I had, and told him under what circumstances. I said there's nothing wrong with HD-DVD on a technology level, simply that the realities of retail, and their refusal to compromise doomed it from the get-go. Sony and Phillips merged their technologies on CD, Toshiba, Sony, Phillips and some others on DVD, Toshiba and Sony could have merged on HD-DVD, but the talks broke down because Toshiba refused to compromise. There's even unconfirmed rumors all this happened because Microsoft had already dumped something like 300 million dollars in research and payoffs to studios(and yes, you can bet the BR camp made a lot of their own backroom deals too) and didn't want to see it go to waste, and because Sony and everyone else refused to make VC-1 the standard codec for the new format, they told Toshiba to end it. It's in the best interest of everyone to keep MPEG flavors the standard codecs, that way the royalties for video compression aren't going to one company, who can control the market, which is why you've seen BR much more adopt AVC(Sony's MPEG-4 compressor, but not proprietary codec based on MPEG-4 like VC-1 is) instead of VC-1

Many Circuit City stores still do put their sales floor on commission. In fact, the closest three stores to me *still* put their sales persons on commission, and just entering them, you get that sense that they are like hungry sharks and you are just the random thing that could potentially feed them for the next few minutes.

 They're not. They eliminated it chainwide years ago. They may be on what I call "Best Buy Commission", where if they don't move enough warranties/Cable, and magazine subscriptions they get written up though.

So its all Tosh's fault that they didn't come to an agreement? Far from the truth my friend, both sides could not agree. You don't own HD DVD, you have only seen a demo my friend.

for those of you saying that they will NEVER release a dual format player....

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10085191&catid=24855

HD DVD will more than likely lose the format war, but I'm so happy that they are here, otherwise we all would have to settle for Blur-ray.  Those first titles and that Samsung player was terrible.  And we would have to be paying $30-$40 for every disc.  So I thank HD DVD for being around and having competition but I'm buying a PS3 (since it is the only BD player capable of anything) to watch those exclusives, but only for those exclusives.  The rest will go to HD DVD still.

Well, last time I checked, all that are being sold now on HD-DVD and BluRay media *are* movies. So what else do you need for it to do? It will read both an HD-DVD and BluRay disc, and it will play the movie on it. That's essentially the whole point, isn't it?

Well, last time I checked, all that are being sold now on HD-DVD and BluRay media *are* movies. So what else do you need for it to do? It will read both an HD-DVD and BluRay disc, and it will play the movie on it. That's essentially the whole point, isn't it? Kodai_kun

You can't access menus or any advanced features. Ever put a disc with a bunch of media files on it in a DiVX compatible DVD player? That's essentially what you get on that deck Like I said, it's likely not long for this world anyway. You'd be paying these same prices anyway on BR, and last I checked most of them WERE $30-40. When DVD first came out, a ton of stuff was $34.95, even $39.95 because it was originally designed to replace laserdisc.

$30-$40 is the retail, but because of the competition most of them have been selling between $15-$20 now on amazon. And you can't deny the horrible quality of hardware and software when BD launched, and we still don't have the BD-Java, but we do have HDi. Kodia-kun, I just don't see why you are so pro-Blu-ray?

And you can't deny the horrible quality of hardware and software when BD launched, and we still don't have the BD-Java, but we do have HDi. Kodia-kun, I just don't see why you are so pro-Blu-ray?

Kodai, nice conspiracy theories. Sorry if i seem like im being rude, but i don't take anyones opinions on which format is better unless they have stakes in each one.

CES is the E3 of the electronics industry, it's where everyone lays down the "why you should stock my product" stuff. BR threw down about 50 exclusive A-level titles. HD-DVD? 0. All that happened was a little over a month later, Universal publishes a list of 30 or so B level (that's not a bad thing, but they're not goign to sell anywhere close to something like Pirates)catalog titles that will come out "sometime this year".  If they had planned this all along, they would have been saying "Buy Matrix FIRST on HD-DVD in May!" at CES. They didn't, which means that this deal was done right quick in a panic.

The other proof is that you don't launch tentpole, A+ catalog titles like Matrix at any time but Christmas, unless there is a direct tie-in with a new product (Pirates 3, Ratatouille for Cars). That's video industry STANDARD PROCEDURE, and if you don't believe me, check out the release lists on DVDpricesearch.com for the last couple years. There is absolutely no reason to launch Matrix in May except to try to sabotage the big BR push.

 All you're showing is your ignorance of how the entertainment industry and retail works. (and please don't try any "he personally attacked me by calling me ignorant!" crap. Look it up, it doesn't mean you're stupid) You watch, ST:TOS will be announced for Oct/Nov on HD-DVD, then January/Early Feb, the BR version will ship. Matrix will probably hit in November on Blu-Ray.

You didn't read my posts very well.  I said that Blu-ray will ultimately win, but it is a shame.  No standalone Blu-ray players on the market today are Dolby TrueHD or DTSHD compatible.  Only the PS3 is.  All HD DVD standalone players are though.  HD DVD has mandated that all of its players be fully capable of all features since day one.  Blu-ray on the other hand doesn't until 10/31/07: link  That means that tens of thousands of standalone owners' players are already obsolete.  Not the best business practice.

Everyone that wants HD movies should really be thankful for the competition.  If HD DVD wasn't here we may still have BD releases like The Fifth Element or House of the Flying Daggers *shudders* or hardware like the Samsung BD-1000, but still as of today the PS3 is the only BD-player worth a darn since it is the only one compatible with full features.  The Sony standalone unit can't even play audio CD's.   Format wars suck but this one was a good thing IMO. 

I'm really not bitter that I have a HD DVD player and that it is more that likely going to be a dead format in a couple of years.  I love it.  I like the old catalog that Universal brings me, and the VC-1 codec is terrific.  I'm a huge NIN fan (look at my avatar) and both BD and HD DVD releases of Beside You in Time are in VC-1 because NIN only releases the best quality. Look at any NIN review and it will say the same thing. (I'm crossing my fingers that Year Zero will be in DVD-A via DualDisc)  I will buy a BD player when the BDA gets its act together and they give me the consistency and quality of my HD DVD titles with PQ, AQ, and interactivity, but it looks like I will have to wait until at least 10/31 before I'm guaranteed that compared to what I already have now.

You didn't read my posts very well. I said that Blu-ray will ultimately win, but it is a shame. No standalone Blu-ray players on the market today are Dolby TrueHD or DTSHD compatible. Only the PS3 is.

Look at any NIN review and it will say the same thing. (I'm crossing my fingers that Year Zero will be in DVD-A via DualDisc)

and both BD and HD DVD releases of Beside You in Time are in VC-1 because NIN only releases the best quality

No. They're both in VC-1 because with a simple block size adjustment you can use the same compression on both formats and save a lot of money. AVC and MPEG-2 are capable of the same quality (AVC apparently potentially even better) as VC-1. It's all about costs. I still don't see why Paramount uses MPEG-2 on BR, spending another $15-20,000 to get a redundant encode done. 

ST:TOS- Star Trek: The Original Series

How can the lossless DTS-HD not be out when there are already movies that have it: link and link

And how do you feel about the 10/31/07 compatibilty date

And how my idea of the competition being a good thing....you decided not to touch those two.

How can the lossless DTS-HD not be out when there are already movies that have it:

And how do you feel about the 10/31/07 compatibilty date